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Quranists became Quranists because of their lack of understanding Quran.

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    Ayisha
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    Sister, I suggest you send your question to Islam-QA or Islamweb; insha'allah you will receive an answer shortly. http//www.imagebanana.com/img/m2wjn7c5/engel_lieb.gif

    cant find where to ask, seems its closed today so I had a look round. says nothing about picking the nose but about washing the nose.
    I have discovered I can use a tissue during prayer if I have a cold as long as I use the left hand and dont move about too much.
    I have also discovered why we should wash inside the nose

    Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516
    Narrated Abu Huraira

    The Prophet said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night." &

    does that mean satan goes down the drain each morning? or is it to get rid of his waste that he left in my nose?

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      Ayisha
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      Ssht ... don't forget that you're pretending to be Moroccon on this board.

      rotfl rotfl rotfl oh now what did he say to me?

      Your cover is blown rotfl rotfl rotfl

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        how big do you think my bath is? ???

        I do not think anything of your bath, I'm just saying that if you are a woman you should not say in public that you bathed naked! estaghfirullahi rabbi !!

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          abdalquran
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          On a serious note ... those fatwas I just posted do play a role in regards to this subject. It shows how intimidated some people have become, how incapable of thinking and making their own decisions they are. If people can't even take a shower, go to the bathroom or sleep with their spouse without consulting a scholar first, how can you expect them to make decisions regarding more important matters? A person who depends on an authority for such trivial matters is an easily led and controlled sheep. Which is exactly what the scholars who run that and similar websites want ... keep people forever dependant and scare them into unquestionably believing in authorities. It's not about faith, it's all about control.

          Wonderfully said and all the while, the study of the Quran and self-actualisation is totally left out. Instead of trying to construct the best system for mankind to live peacefully, we're worried about the right way to shower!

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            unknownuser
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            we're worried about the right way to shower!

            its just that we take our life seriously! everything in life is important only if you know!

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              Ayisha
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              I do not think anything of your bath, I'm just saying that if you are a woman you should not say in public that you bathed naked! estaghfirullahi rabbi !!

              is it ok if I say I did ghusl behind a curtain, behind a closed door then? -\

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                is it ok if I say I did ghusl behind a curtain, behind a closed door then? -\

                I know you are refering to another hadith of Ayisha (May God be pleased with her). too bad you people are hopeless!

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                  I'm just saying that if you are a woman you should not say in public that you bathed naked! estaghfirullahi rabbi !!

                  LOL ... most people are well aware of the fact that others shower naked. What's the problem? )

                  And why "as a woman"? So men are allowed to mention their shower? hmm

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                    LOL ... most people are well aware of the fact that others shower naked. What's the problem?

                    And why "as a woman"? So men are allowed to mention their shower? hmm

                    because men are attracted to women more than women are attracted to men!

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                      LOL ... most people are well aware of the fact that others shower naked. What's the problem? )
                      seems transformer is not aware of this ;D

                      And why "as a woman"? So men are allowed to mention their shower? hmm

                      because a man saying it doesnt cunjure up visions of Enrique Iglasias taking a shower naked....................................................erm we can control ourselves -\

                      oh sorry.

                      but a woman saying it, well, its easy to see even transformer has had to run off and do ghusl at the mere thought of a woman showering NEKED! rotfl

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                        seems transformer is not aware of this ;D
                        because a man saying it doesnt cunjure up visions of Enrique Iglasias taking a shower naked....................................................erm we can control ourselves -\

                        oh sorry.

                        but a woman saying it, well, its easy to see even transformer has had to run off and do ghusl at the mere thought of a woman showering NEKED! rotfl

                        you know the reason, you are very intelligent!

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                          Ayisha
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                          you know the reason, you are very intelligent!

                          I KNOW, I keep telling you this, NOW you see it! muscle

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                            Which do you believe?
                            Ibn Majah has narrated another hadith from 'Aishah which explicitly says that the two verses were lost after the death of the Prophet. She is reported to say 'The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper.
                            Musnad Ahmad bin Hanbal. vol. 6. p. 269 Sunan Ibn Majah, p. 626 Ibn Qutbah, Tawil Mukhtalafi 'l-Hadith (Cairo Maktaba al-Kulliyat al-Azhariyya. 1966) p. 310 which has been misprinted as 210- As-Suyuti, ad-Durru 'l-Manthur, vol. 2. p. 13.

                            I'm going to ask you a question, is this Hadith Sahiha or Hassan ? answer by Yes , or No .

                            5677 It is an honorable Qur'an.
                            5678 In a protected Book.

                            There is no relation between the hadith and thoses verses. Try to understand hadith, and I'm asking to look about hadith very well because there 4 ways of saying it .

                            181 Praise be to God who has sent down the Book to His servant, and He has not made in it any crookedness.
                            3928 A Quran in Arabic, without any crookedness, that they may be righteous.

                            Irrelevent , no relatio between the hadith and the verses .

                            242 The adulteress and the adulterer, you shall lash each of them with one hundred lashes, and do not let any pity overtake you regarding the system of God if you believe in God and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.

                            if the adultery from someone married ?

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                              if the adultery from someone married ?

                              these quranists are hopless. I asked the same question to a quranist and he said "read the story of Moses when he said to his people to sacrifice cow, and how his people start asking him the color, the age, and everything." ??? nope

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                                because men are attracted to women more than women are attracted to men!

                                Aha. hypno

                                So you are saying a woman can't get turned on by a naked man in a shower? hmm hmm hmm

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                                  Aha. hypno

                                  So you are saying a woman can't get turned on by a naked man in a shower? hmm hmm hmm

                                  you are a woman you tell me?

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                                    Aha. hypno

                                    So you are saying a woman can't get turned on by a naked man in a shower? hmm hmm hmm

                                    oooh they can. Hubby just had a NEKED shower with the door open! http//foolstown.com/sm/obm.gif

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                                      Salam thereformer,

                                      Wa Alaykom Asalam .

                                      Bukhari Volumn 001, Book 008, Hadith Number 446.

                                      Narated By 'Aisha Barira came to seek my help regarding her manumission. I told herself you like I would pay your price to your masters but your Al-Wala(1) would be for me." Her masters said, "If you like, you can pay what remains (of the price of her manumission), (Sufyan the sub-narrator once said), or if you like you can manumit her, but her (inheritance) Al-Wala would be for us. "When Allah's Apostle came, I spoke to him about it. He said, "Buy her and manumit her. No doubt Al-Wala(1) is for the manumitted." Then Allah's Apostle stood on the pulpit (or Allah's Apostle ascended the pulpit as Sufyan once said), and said, "What about some people who impose conditions which are not present in Allah's Book (Laws)? Whoever imposes conditions which are not in Allah's Book (Laws), his conditions will be invalid even if he imposed them a hundred times."

                                      first of all do you know the hadith is about what ?
                                      second of all I didn't find any thing strange in your red bolded sentence . Can you ask your question ?
                                      this the hadith in Arabic and he is talking about "

                                      Bukhari Volumn 003, Book 034, Hadith Number 364.

                                      Narated By 'Aisha Allah's Apostle came to me and I told him about the slave-girl (Buraira) Allah's Apostle said, "Buy and manumit her, for the Wala is for the one who manumits." In the evening the Prophet got up and glorified Allah as He deserved and then said, "Why do some people impose conditions which are not present in Allah's Book (Laws)? Whoever imposes such a condition as is not in Allah's Laws, then that condition is invalid even if he imposes one hundred conditions, for Allah's conditions are more binding and reliable."

                                      see above . The prophet is talking about conditions that have been dictated from the family of Burayra that were dectating conditions against the shari'ah (Quran shari'ah), so here God said do not accept these conditions that are against sharii'ah of Quran . and by the way the subject is about " ".

                                      Bukhari Volumn 003, Book 034, Hadith Number 377.

                                      Narated By 'Urwa 'Aisha said, "Buraira came to me and said, 'I have agreed with my masters to pay them nine Uqiyas (of gold) (in installments) one Uqiya per year; please help me.' I said, 'I am ready to pay the whole amount now provided your masters agree that your Wala will be for me.' So, Buraira went to her masters and told them about that offer but they refused to accept it. She returned, and at that time, Allah's Apostle was sitting (present). Buraira said, 'I told them of the offer but they did not accept it and insisted on having the Wala.'.' The Prophet heard that." 'Aisha narrated the whole story to the Prophet. He said to her, "Buy her and stipulate that her Wala' would be yours as the Wala' is for the manumitted." 'Aisha did so. Then Allah's Apostle stood up in front of the people, and after glorifying Allah he said, "Amma Badu (i.e. then after)! What about the people who impose conditions which are not in Allah's Book (Laws)? Any condition that is not in Allah's Book (Laws) is invalid even if they were one hundred conditions, for Allah's decisions are the right ones and His conditions are the strong ones (firmer) and the Wala' will be for the manumitted."

                                      The condtions were from the family of Burayra that are against the Quran shari'ah . You didn't understand the subject of the hadith . what do you finc not good ?

                                      Muslim Book 009, Hadith Number 3587.

                                      Chapter The right of inheritance of property vests with one who emancipates the slave.
                                      'Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported Barira came to me and said My family (owners) have made contract with me (for granting freedom) for nine 'uqiyas (of silver) payable in nine years, one 'uqiya every year. Help me (in making this payment). I said to her If your family so desires, I am prepared to make them the full payment in one instalment, and thus secure freedom for you, but the right of inheritance will vest in me, if I do so. She (Barira) made a mention of that to her family, but they refused (except) on the condition that the right of inheritance would vest in them. She came to me and made mention of if She ('Aisha) said I scolded her. She (Barira) said By Allah, it is not possible (they will never agree to it). And as she was saying it, Allah's messenger (may peace be upon him) heard, and he asked me, I informed him and he said Buy her and emancipate her, and let the right of inheritance vest in them, for they cannot claim it (rightfully) since the right of inheritance vests with one who emancipates (the slave; therefore, these people have no right to lay such false claims). And I did so. She ('Aisha) said Then Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) delivered a sermon in the evening. He extolled Allah and praised Him with what He deserves, and then said afterwards, What has happened to the people that they lay down conditions which are not found in the Book of Allah? And the condition which is not found in the Book of Allah is invalid, even if its number is one hundred. The Book of Allah is more true (than any other deed) and the condition laid down by Allah is more binding (than any other condition). What has happened to the people among you that someone among you says "Emancipate so and so, but the right of inheritance vests in me"? Verily, the right of inheritance vests in one who emancipates.

                                      Muwatta Book 038, Hadith Number 017.

                                      Section The Right of the One who Sets Free to the Wala'.
                                      Malik related to me from Hisham ibn Urwa from his father that A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Barira came to me and said, 'I have written myself as mukatab for my people for nine uqiyas, one uqiya per year, so help me.' A'isha said, 'If your people agree that I pay it all to them for you, and that if I pay it, your wala' is mine, then I will do it.' Barira went to her masters and told them that and they didn't agree. She came back from her masters while the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was sitting. She said to A'isha, 'I offered that to them and they refused me unless they had the wala.' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, heard that and asked her about it A'isha told him and the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'Take her and stipulate that the wala' is yours, for the wala' is for the one who sets free.' So A'isha did that and then the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, stood up in front of the people, and praised Allah and gave thanks to Him. Then he said, 'What is wrong with the people who make conditions which are not in the Book of Allah? Any condition which is not in the Book of Allah is invalid even if it is a hundred conditions. The decree of Allah is truer and the conditions of Allah are firmer, and the wala' only belongs to the one who sets free.'"

                                      Abu Dawud Book 024, Hadith Number 3918.

                                      Chapter Sale of a slave who entered an agreement to purchase his freedom when the agreement is repudiated.
                                      Narated By N/A 'Urwah quoting 'Aisha said that Barirah came to her seeking her help to purchase her freedom, and she did not pay anything for her freedom. 'Aisha said to her Return to your people; if they like that I make payment for the purchase of your freedom on your behalf and I shall have the right to inherit from you, I shall do so. Barirah mentioned it to her people, but they refused and said If she wants to purchase your freedom for a reward from Allah, she may do so, but the right to inherit from you shall be ours. She mentioned it to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him). The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon. him) said Purchase her (freedom) and set her free, for the right of inheritance belongs only to the one who set a, person free. The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) then stood up and said What is the matter with people who make conditions which are not in Allah's Book ! If anyone makes a condition which is not in Allah's Book, he has no right to it, even if he stipulates it hundreds of times. Allah's condition is more valid and binding."

                                      I didn't find any thing strange in this hadiths all of them, and they are talking about " " and the wisdom of Burayra when she asked Aishah about Help and then Aisha went to ask the prophet about conditions that were giving from the family of Buraiyra and he said that are against the shariha of Quran and don't accept them .
                                      Is that too hard to understand .

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                                        Leyna
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                                        you are a woman you tell me?

                                        But that's what your statement implied. So you should have asked first before giving a fatwa about women being prohibited to mention their shower.
                                        ;D

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                                          Thereformer1
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                                          Sorry I dont take humans as idols, I leave that to you hadithists

                                          I mean by Idle , your best example in learning and seeking the truth . while you're here the whole day without sleeping and without making breakfast to your husband neither dinner , neither ................etc .

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