Quranists became Quranists because of their lack of understanding Quran.
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I am not from KSA. ;D ;D ;D
what Korean Science Academy has anything to do with terrorism?
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If you've never been there then dont comment & &
really? tell me about that academy please! I thought it was about teaching science to innocent kids?
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Hadith 3.
The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said "Without doubt my Ummah will never be gathered in misguidance. Whenever you see disagreement, then hold fast to the Sawad-e-Azam (the great majority)"
Peace,
Respectfully.Disagreement between sunnis and shias or between those guys in Palestine and Israel who behave like five-year-olds?
You should read chapter two and especially those last few verses. May God guide you, brother.Peace.
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I can go on quoting many scholars who have the opinion that the largest group, the Ahle-Sunnah-wal-Jama'ah is the only sect on the right path, and all others are those that have been prophecised to enter the hell fire.
May Allah (swt) bring us together and unite us and save us from fitna. Ameen.
the content is from http//forum.bismikaallahuma.org/polling-station/2046-do-you-think-quranists-should-executed-2.html .
Peace,
Respectfully.So, you're saying that because a certain group is the largest, than they are automatically right?
Right now, there are more nonmuslims than muslims.
Are they rightly guided?I really think you should re-read chapter 68.
God bless you.
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Disagreement between sunnis and shias or between those guys in Palestine and Israel who behave like five-year-olds?
Sunni are the followers of Quran and the prophet .
Shi'a have distorted Quran and are the followers of Ali, and saying that Gabriel was wrong and insulting the Sahaba .
Isreal have settled a country not theirs according to a false fallacies, and they kill Muslims there .
who is right ? see above and answer .
You should read chapter two and especially those last few verses. May God guide you, brother.
Peace.No, you should read these verses , as I see you don't understand what they are talking about .
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So, you're saying that because a certain group is the largest, than they are automatically right?
Right .
Right now, there are more nonmuslims than muslims.
We are talking about Muslims world, God order us to not split up and became sects and to join the largest group. Let me remind you the only think was before is sunnah , the people that splited up and became sects are Shi'a, Quranists, who they are bu definition the minority .
Are they rightly guided?
Of course they are not, because they are not Muslims and we are not talking about them.
I really think you should re-read chapter 68.
God bless you.
Peace.Again, No you're the one who should read the whole surah .
Thanks, God bless you too and show you the right way .
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I didn't want to comment your post because you know that I disgust your translation of the verses , you distorted them.
The original text of the verse is there and then is the translation. Point out distortion or mistake therein if you are truthful in what you keep uttering from mouth.
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I think, if humans need a book to tell them the difference between right and wrong, then they should stop writing them... and reading them.
However, books which show us how to conduct ourselves amongst one another, detail for us what is acceptable and what is not, with regard to public relations -- that we may get through a day in the marketplace, without blowing ourselves to pieces -- can and should be held in highest regard.
That's about all I have to say on that and I'll shut up, now...
for a bit.
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I'm going to ask you a question, is this Hadith Sahiha or Hassan ? answer by Yes , or No .
I believe it is Hassan which according to Hadith followers is sound. Why was it classified Hassan in the first place? Don't you think it is blasphemous to think a goat ate Quranic verses which is why they are lost.
I in turn ask you. Did the stoning verse get lost or not? Yes, or No.
Sahih al Bukhari Volume 8, pages 209-210, we read this sermon delivered by Hadhrath Umar during his last Hajj as Khalifa "Certainly Allah sent Muhammad with the truth, and revealed to him the Book. One of the revelations which came to him was the verse of stoning. We read it and understood it?. "The Messenger of God stoned and we stoned after him. I am concerned that if time goes on, someone may say, 'By God, we do not find the verse of stoning in the Book of God;'
There is no relation between the hadith and thoses verses. Try to understand hadith, and I'm asking to look about hadith very well because there 4 ways of saying it .
Irrelevent , no relatio between the hadith and the verses .
There is a relation. These hadith say verses of the Quran were "lost" forever.
if the adultery from someone married ?
The Quran says to lash them. What do you think?
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I didn't see any relation between the Hadith and the verses that you have pointed out, neither the bolded sentence are talking about the same situation .
Please bear with me.
The prophet gave his sandals to Abu Horaira for one reason that people who was going to meet willl believe him, because he was holding the sandals of the prophet and everyone knows those sandals.
What prophet peace be upon him said to ABu Horaira is to greet everyone his heart is full "the is no god but God" believing in it from his heart and fear the present of this words in heart is in Janna (it is just a greeting) .And I justified this hadith by verses in Quran 2223 / 9112 / 1087 where God ordered the prophet to greet the believers .
2223 {and give good tidings to the believers (O Muhammad م}.The reason that Omar Bno Al KHatab stroke Abu Horaira in his heart because he wanted from him to stop doing that because if he told evryone this thing, they will do nothing from prayers and Zakat and no practicing Islam because they will think that are going to heaven, so why they would practicing Islam and prayers and ..etc . So he went to the prophet and he gave him his opinion and the prophet to show that he agreed with what Omar Bno Khatab said because after all the prophet is also hear and listen to the opinions of anyone from Sahaba and from clevers and you can look for Khalid Bno lwalid when he suggest a plan in a war between the non-believers and muslims, and there are a lot of examples where prophet agreed with what the Sahaba said . And I justify this also from a verse >>>>>>>
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So you are saying this is just a greeting and not a ruling?
He addressed me as Abu Huraira and gave me his sandals and said Take away these sandals of mine, and when you meet anyone outside this garden who testifies that there is no god but Allah, being assured of it in his heart, gladden him by announcing that he shall go to Paradise. Now the first one I met was Umar. He asked What are these sandals, Abu Huraira? I replied These are the sandals of the Messenger of Allah with which he has sent me to gladden anyone I meet who testifies that there is no god but Allah, being assured of it in his heart, with the announcement that he would go to Paradise. Thereupon 'Umar struck me on the breast and I fell on my back.
And it relates to the verses I posted because, assuming the Prophet is saying belief is enough to get into Janna, that would contradict the Quran which says you must believe and do good deeds.
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I see your misunderstanding and what you don't know that the verse is basically didn't talk about what came in the hadith, in fact Hadith confirmed what came in this verse in a way that I'm going to explain it now
First of all the verse is talking about the believers of who , of the prophet . God telling them to do not hurt their prophet as Bani Isreal did before . So the verse it is not about Moses . It is about the prophet Muhamed peace be upon him.
Second of all the hadith confirmed that what God said about hurting Moses from Bani Israel is right, how they will know these infomation if it wasn't the prophet who told them in some of Ahadith how Bani Isreal hurted the prophet Moses peace be upon him?
So God here in the verse is ordering the believers to not do like bani Isreal and what they have done to the prophet of moses. How do you know what they did to Moses ? look at hadith they were insulting him that he is with a scrotal hernia, so to show them that their hypocrites and scandal their way of treating his prophet, they must see their fallacies about their prophet .
The hadith is not about insulting the prophet Moses, but to show how Isreal were treating their prophet.
Bukhari Hadith 4616
Narrated Abu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "(The Prophet) Moses was a shy person and used to cover his body completely because of his extensive shyness. One of the children of Israel hurt him by saying, 'He covers his body in this way only because of some defect in his skin, either leprosy or scrotal hernia, or he has some other defect.' Allah wished to clear Moses of what they said about him, so one day while Moses was in seclusion, he took off his clothes and put them on a stone and started taking a bath. When he had finished the bath, he moved towards his clothes so as to take them, but the stone took his clothes and fled; Moses picked up his stick and ran after the stone saying, 'O stone! Give me my garment!' Till he reached a group of Bani Israel who saw him naked then, and found him the best of what Allah had created, and Allah cleared him of what they had accused him of. The stone stopped there and Moses took and put his garment on and started hitting the stone with his stick. By Allah, the stone still has some traces of the hitting, three, four or five marks. This was what Allah refers to in His Saying-- "O you who believe! Be you not like those Who annoyed Moses, But Allah proved his innocence of that which they alleged, And he was honorable In Allah's Sight." (33.69)
Do you believe the bit I highlighted is true? Are you claiming that this incident is what Allah was referring to?
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Muhsin khan is the best translation from all the translation that I have seen .
The Quran I hate
The Quran is my favorite novel, favorite poem, favorite recording, favorite creation. But there are those who turn "my preciousss" into pungence; my warmth into fire; my beloved into a blizzard of death.
I am obsessed with the Quran. I love the Quran like little boys love Harry Potter. Like white folk loved Outkast's Speakerboxxx and thugs loved Outkast's ATLeans. Like geeks love MySQL. Like girls love Gucci. I love it like Dantes loved Mercedes. I love it like Rumi loved Shams; Hallaj, God; and Nietzsche, himself. I love the Quran like Bela Bartok loved laughter and Romanians love them gypsies. I love the Quran like I loved Sophie Marceau when I was a lonely teen. I love the Quran more; much more.
The Quran is my favorite novel, favorite poem, favorite recording, favorite creation. Its Prophets are more real to me than a thousand Aragorns and Legolases. Its Karuns and Zulqurnains are more devastating than a thousand Saurons. At the end of the day, when my toes won't bend from having walked in the cold so long, and my eyes won't close from having stayed open at work so long, I go to the Quran and Tawfeeq al Sayegh busts out in a recitation of al-Fajr, and my achilles heel melts in warmth, and my spinal cortex straightens and sets. I am overawed by the humanity of the book and I feel transcendence. Like any slave to beauty, I want nothing more than to scatter the perfume of the Quran in a thousand directions and share with others the luxuriant fragrance.
But there are those who turn "my preciousss" into pungence; my warmth into fire; my beloved into a blizzard of death; my love into a lizard. Their names come easy to the mouth, like phlegm should Osama, Zarqawi, Bakri. They echo against the names of others who knew how to bastardize beauty Stalin, Bakunin, Cheney.
However, these men are merely expressions of a deeper malaise. They have theological enablers who leaked the wines of worship from the Quran and injected instead the blood of desert scorpions. I speak of those men who change the verses of the Quran to serve their own disreputable ends; who by way of parantheticals not actually in the Arabic create a class of hate that breeds only blood and bombs.
The Fatiha, The Opening, Magisterial and Evocative, which begins with "Praise For The Lord Of The Worlds" ends up in a taxonomy of exclusion by way of parentheses
Guide us to the Straight Way. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).
No longer in this newly rewritten Quran is a believer left to reflect upon his being in relation to the unknown, his entry into the mysteries of existence, but to hate the Jew, hate the Christian. How could the Lord of all the Worlds accept such rancor toward His creation? Don't ask God; ask the government of Saudi Arabia which peddles this "noble" anti-Quran; ask the "Islamic" University of Medina; ask Shaykh Bin Baz, Saudi Grand Mufti until 1999 who certified these insertions; and the King Fahd Center For Printing of the Holy Quran.
This is what Michael Sells calls War as Worship; Worship as War. This is the Quran I hate; this caricature of beauty. This is the Quran I will jihad against. (You must wait for my plot, but I shall plot).
Ali Eteraz, December 15, 2006
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The Fatiha, The Opening, Magisterial and Evocative, which begins with "Praise For The Lord Of The Worlds" ends up in a taxonomy of exclusion by way of parentheses
Guide us to the Straight Way. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).
No longer in this newly rewritten Quran is a believer left to reflect upon his being in relation to the unknown, his entry into the mysteries of existence, but to hate the Jew, hate the Christian. How could the Lord of all the Worlds accept such rancor toward His creation? Don't ask God; ask the government of Saudi Arabia which peddles this "noble" anti-Quran; ask the "Islamic" University of Medina; ask Shaykh Bin Baz, Saudi Grand Mufti until 1999 who certified these insertions; and the King Fahd Center For Printing of the Holy Quran.
He seems to have stored in his person the poison of Cobra, he is spraying it in a beautiful manner.
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the path journeyed by those upon whom You showered blessings
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who are other than of those who made themselves liable to criminal cognizance/arrest and nor are they the ones who are the neglectful wanderers. -
The original text of the verse is there and then is the translation. Point out distortion or mistake therein if you are truthful in what you keep uttering from mouth.
I already did, go and look for my posts where Aiysha also shared the same opinion about your translation.
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Bukhari Hadith 4616
Do you believe the bit I highlighted is true? Are you claiming that this incident is what Allah was referring to?I've explained to you the hadith, so if you want to believe it, fine. If you don't want to believe it, fine too . This is your problem not mines, I've explained now it's your time to understand.
By the way you didn't highlighted anything, I know the story .
for your last answer , I don't claim anything , there in what God said are more than this incident . the strain of Isreal were treating their prophet in a bad way , so there will be more than this incident .
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The Quran I hate
Can you for a single post write your own opinion ?
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Please bear with me.
So you are saying this is just a greeting and not a ruling?Yes, it is greeting as he ordered in Quran to greet the believers . Do you any problem with that ?
And it relates to the verses I posted because, assuming the Prophet is saying belief is enough to get into Janna, that would contradict the Quran which says you must believe and do good deeds.
No, believe is not enough to get into Jannah , did I say that ?
That will not contradict with any verse . If you're cever enough you'll know that the one who believe in there is no god but God from his heart pure and knowing his meanings, he will understand that he must do good deeds too.
read my post .
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Reformer, dear here two types of people are contrasted, you did not comment, though you keep naming me here and there.
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The original text of the verse is there and then is the translation. Point out distortion or mistake therein if you are truthful in what you keep uttering from mouth.I already did, go and look for my posts where Aiysha also shared the same opinion about your translation.
Since you have failed to point out any distortion, it stands confirmed that you are not truthful as you finally proved in the case of Bismillah verse that you just keep uttering from mouth without even thinking for a while.