Quranists became Quranists because of their lack of understanding Quran.
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Bukhari Hadith 4616
Do you believe the bit I highlighted is true? Are you claiming that this incident is what Allah was referring to?I've explained to you the hadith, so if you want to believe it, fine. If you don't want to believe it, fine too . This is your problem not mines, I've explained now it's your time to understand.
By the way you didn't highlighted anything, I know the story .
for your last answer , I don't claim anything , there in what God said are more than this incident . the strain of Isreal were treating their prophet in a bad way , so there will be more than this incident .
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The Quran I hate
Can you for a single post write your own opinion ?
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Please bear with me.
So you are saying this is just a greeting and not a ruling?Yes, it is greeting as he ordered in Quran to greet the believers . Do you any problem with that ?
And it relates to the verses I posted because, assuming the Prophet is saying belief is enough to get into Janna, that would contradict the Quran which says you must believe and do good deeds.
No, believe is not enough to get into Jannah , did I say that ?
That will not contradict with any verse . If you're cever enough you'll know that the one who believe in there is no god but God from his heart pure and knowing his meanings, he will understand that he must do good deeds too.
read my post .
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Reformer, dear here two types of people are contrasted, you did not comment, though you keep naming me here and there.
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The original text of the verse is there and then is the translation. Point out distortion or mistake therein if you are truthful in what you keep uttering from mouth.I already did, go and look for my posts where Aiysha also shared the same opinion about your translation.
Since you have failed to point out any distortion, it stands confirmed that you are not truthful as you finally proved in the case of Bismillah verse that you just keep uttering from mouth without even thinking for a while.
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Since you have failed to point out any distortion, it stands confirmed that you are not truthful as you finally proved in the case of Bismillah verse that you just keep uttering from mouth without even thinking for a while.
I already did and I pointed out some mistakes in your translation where you added words to the verses, you want to deny this, fine .
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Peace
It only makes sense therefore that we join hands with the largest group.
This is an interesting interpolation of the verse. However, reading the rest of your post it becomes clear where your influence in such a vision lies that a sect means the smallest group branching off from the larger.
Keep to the Quran; what you find in it to be permissible treat as permissible, and what you find in it to be prohibited treat as prohibited" (Sunnan Abu Dawood Book 40 Hadith 4587)
I think the replete fellow has some good advice.
Joe
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Peace
Sunnah are the sect that the prophet left
Eleven times has the derivative of sin nun been used in the quran. I doubt you will find any referring to your sect or to Muhammad's method. In fact they have been used in reference to how God deals with the people and in admonishment of the institutions of others.
Here are the derivatives for you to look up yourself 3/137; 4/26; 8/38; 15/13; 17/77; 18/55; 33/38, 62; 35/43; 40/85; 48/23
Joe
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Peace
the reason of telling them this hadith is that firstly he wanted to tell them that people should take the shower covering his organs and to differ from the habit of the ennemies of Islam who they take shower naked (Bani Isreal) .
I'm just wondering, sort of related to the idea of "naked" are we wrong for being born since we are born naked?
In response to your elucidation of this hadeeth I would like to have clean genitals so I will and I do shower naked, completely naked. My question is why is showering naked according to this hadeeth wrong, because their enemies do it? If it's because they do not want to be like their enemies what if their enemies ate with their right hands or engaged in educating their people?
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I already did and I pointed out some mistakes in your translation where you added words to the verses, you want to deny this, fine .
Brother ask God Alone to forgive you before a painful retribution!
464 We do not send a messenger except to be obeyed with the permission of God. And had they come to you when they had wronged themselves and sought the forgiveness of God, and the messenger sought forgiveness for them, they would have then found God to be Pardoning, Merciful.
465 No, by your Lord, they will not believe until they make you judge in what they dispute with each other, then they will not find in their souls any animosity for what you have decided, and they will comply completely.
Tell me did God authenticate any hadiths? Sunni's and Shiia's are weak in faith they ask to be dominated by fascist leaders because they can't think for themselves.
2104 O you who believe, do not say Shepherd us, but say Be patient with us, and listen. For the rejecters is a painful retribution.
Peace and patience to all!
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Peace
This is an interesting interpolation of the verse. However, reading the rest of your post it becomes clear where your influence in such a vision lies that a sect means the smallest group branching off from the larger.Are you having another interpretation of the sect that splitted up ? if Yes How ?
you'll find this more than interesting
- And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad م after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers? way, We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination!
Are you sure that the believers are (quranists) ?
I think the replete fellow has some good advice.
JoeYes, when you understand it .
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About the hadith of Abu Horaira , the reason of telling them this hadith is that firstly he wanted to tell them that people should take the shower covering his organs and to differ from the habit of the ennemies of Islam who they take shower naked (Bani Isreal) .
the second reason is to show them how Bani Isreal were hypocrites and harming their prophet and stabed him in the back, having a gossip about their prophet and it was a bad gossip .so attaching the verse to this hadith is so irrelevent and shows that you don't understand the verse neither the hadith .
Didnt you say that abu huraira was from bani Israel when you were denying he was a jew? Clearly here you are saying they were enemies of islam so how did his stories get into claimed sayings of the prophet Muhammed and get passed off a facts?
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Didnt you say that abu huraira was from bani Israel when you were denying he was a jew?
What ? I've never said that Abu Huraira was from bani Isreal neither he was jew. am I like you to accuse people ?
read please about this man http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hurairah
Clearly here you are saying they were enemies of islam so how did his stories get into claimed sayings of the prophet Muhammed and get passed off a facts?
- And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad م after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers? way, We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination!
=/= is that what I said ?
Clearly here you are saying they were enemies of islam so how did his stories get into claimed sayings of the prophet Muhammed and get passed off a facts?
Horaira was not jew and his stories are not stories , they are ahadith from the prophet directly.
Are you high ?
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Peace
According to the quran those with knowledge know that what the Lord has sent guides to the path of the noble .
Joe
Yes, thanks (those who have knowledge) , are you one of them ?
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Peace
Eleven times has the derivative of sin nun been used in the quran. I doubt you will find any referring to your sect or to Muhammad's method. In fact they have been used in reference to how God deals with the people and in admonishment of the institutions of others.
Here are the derivatives for you to look up yourself 3/137; 4/26; 8/38; 15/13; 17/77; 18/55; 33/38, 62; 35/43; 40/85; 48/23
Joe
No, thanks, I'm not english .So I know what does the word mean in every verse .
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Peace
I'm just wondering, sort of related to the idea of "naked" are we wrong for being born since we are born naked?is a child naked like a man naked ?
In response to your elucidation of this hadeeth I would like to have clean genitals so I will and I do shower naked, completely naked.
Yes, alone . read hadith please they are showering naked (men together showering naked ) . is this too hard to understand , how old are you ?
My question is why is showering naked according to this hadeeth wrong,
do you know about what kind of shower , I am talking about ? mature men naked and without even a cover from people. are you showering in street with your friends all of you naked ?
because their enemies do it? If it's because they do not want to be like their enemies what if their enemies ate with their right hands or engaged in educating their people?
am I talking about these things ?
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Brother ask God Alone to forgive you before a painful retribution!
This imply to you as well and more than me .
464 We do not send a messenger except to be obeyed with the permission of God. And had they come to you when they had wronged themselves and sought the forgiveness of God, and the messenger sought forgiveness for them, they would have then found God to be Pardoning, Merciful.
This is about some Sahab in a battle called "Ohod" .
465 No, by your Lord, they will not believe until they make you judge in what they dispute with each other, then they will not find in their souls any animosity for what you have decided, and they will comply completely.
Yes, this is for you . You'll not believe until you make the prophet judge in what you dispute. how is that and the prophet is not here ? let me tell you his hadith .
Tell me did God authenticate any hadiths? Sunni's and Shiia's are weak in faith they ask to be dominated by fascist leaders because they can't think for themselves.
Sunna are not making up anything , we have study both of Quran and sunnah and we are better than any sect claims that follows Quran . let me remind you that the best interpreters and shouyoukh and scholars are sunnah . the majority of muslim community are sunnah with 1.5 billion muslims sunni .
The other sects are a drop of water in the ocean . Go read Quran about what sect you must follow.2104 O you who believe, do not say Shepherd us, but say Be patient with us, and listen. For the rejecters is a painful retribution.
rejecters of what ?
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Reformer asks Nabi Are you sure that the believers are (quranists)
All are known as believers who proclaim to be believer while in the judgment of Allah proven and factual believer is only he
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These defined people are proven and established believers .Chapter8
Those who think themselves as "Quaranist" meaning to refer to thosw who follow Qur'aan and thus 100 percent follow the Messenger of Allah are covered by this verdict. Bukhari and company mongers are nowhere stated as Established and Proven Believers. They should incline themselves to become tied with Qur'aan if they wish to escape Hell.
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All are known as believers who proclaim to be believer while in the judgment of Allah proven and factual believer is only he
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and when His Aa'ya'at are recited to them, word by word, each Ayat/verse gave increase to them in belief.
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These defined people are proven and established believers .
Chapter8
Those who think themselves as "Quaranist" meaning to refer to thosw who follow Qur'aan and thus 100 percent follow the Messenger of Allah are covered by this verdict. Bukhari and company mongers are nowhere stated as Established and Proven Believers. They should incline themselves to become tied with Qur'aan if they wish to escape Hell.This verse will shock you
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