Quran vs quranists
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there is no proof whatsoever that hadith books are the words of prophet muhammad. show some unmistakeable and undeniable proof that the prophet said all these narrations??
you will now say in return....."please also show me that quran is the word of Allah?"
typical sunni/non muslim attitude eh
Until you understand what God said in his book, then you can speak .
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the fact that the word al-hikmah so often comes right after alkitab, it clearly means that Allah is telling us that it is an inhernet attribute of the book itself. it is so retarded to believe that it means "some other rules/regulations" unrelated and outside of the book that were to come 200 years later...lol
surely arabic words have many meanings but every meaning has to be used in context...not out of it.
Sunnah never came after 200 years later, it is written in the existence of the prophet but it is gathered later, Bukhari after 200 years later just clasified it and make the sahih book .
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No, I'll not leave you destroy this thread, this your nightmare . As It seems that you don't have a word or an opinion from your mind running to look for Asaad inetrpretation .
Don't play dense deliberately. Does the interpretation of the verses just from the quran offend you? You asked for it and you got it. Even if there was no Asad around, it's an easy series of verses to understand but I suppose you're from the camp that insist that the quran cannot be explained by itself. Contradicting the quran itself. What a pity.by the way I didn't use any hadith of Bukhari and the thread, so you're barking the wrong tree . I used Quran so answer by Quran .
Don't play dense deliberately. You run to any source outside the quran to explain the quran every chance you get, bukhari et al are your lifeline. Just read your op! lol, is this myopia or selective amnesia. I did what you asked, so can you now, please respond...using the quran and only the quran what that series of verses means? Remember, you were going to scandal me? I got a cold coke zero, settled myself in and now you won't play? Not fair. -
who do you delete the thread that where I and you will debate ? >(
this is only the beginning my friend! you don't know the power muscle
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No, I'll not leave you destroy this thread, this your nightmare . As It seems that you don't have a word or an opinion from your mind running to look for Asaad inetrpretation .
by the way I didn't use any hadith of Bukhari and the thread, so you're barking the wrong tree . I used Quran so answer by Quran .
yes you did, in the post directly before you posted this. Dont you know the difference between Quran and hadith? You used hadith to verify hadith! rotfl
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Yes, yes RH. I got the touch, I got the power, after all is said and done, I've never walked, I've never run...I'm a winner. (transformers...I thought it was apt).
Now go away and let the lion awaken
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http//Reformer-HIKMA means the orders of the prophet, the saying of him, his reports, his deeds, his way of speaking who they are registred in hadith.
And Allah says pointedly
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And whoever does not decide/command what Allah has sent
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then they are the people who are in fact the non-believers/the rejecters.Chapter5
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Don't play dense deliberately. Does the interpretation of the verses just from the quran offend you? You asked for it and you got it. Even if there was no Asad around, it's an easy series of verses to understand but I suppose you're from the camp that insist that the quran cannot be explained by itself. Contradicting the quran itself. What a pity.
I'm not going to answer until you make it in another Thread and the debate will be with me and you .
Don't play dense deliberately. You run to any source outside the quran to explain the quran every chance you get, bukhari et al are your lifeline. Just read your op! lol, is this myopia or selective amnesia. I did what you asked, so can you now, please respond...using the quran and only the quran what that series of verses means? Remember, you were going to scandal me? I got a cold coke zero, settled myself in and now you won't play? Not fair.
No, I'll not respond you here, if you don't make it in another Thread, it is abvious that you want to delete and destroy this thread . Oh people I'm just looking for a fair crack of the whip . Am I asking the impossible ? a debate between me and her and all the forum will watch .
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http//Reformer-HIKMA means the orders of the prophet, the saying of him, his reports, his deeds, his way of speaking who they are registred in hadith.
And Allah says pointedly
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And whoever does not decide/command what Allah has sent
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then they are the people who are in fact the non-believers/the rejecters.Chapter5
sir, didn't you hear it before? Al-hikma i.e. the sunna of the prophet was also sent down by God! means it is included in bima anzalallahu!
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yes you did, in the post directly before you posted this. Dont you know the difference between Quran and hadith? You used hadith to verify hadith! rotfl
Did I use Hadith from Bukhari book ?
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Thanks for the information, I read the part where he mention that HIKMA is sunnah . so what do you say ?
I highly doubt you just read it, obviously i disagree.
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Look at what the prophet " I've been given the Quran and one ressemble to him" the word is in red and you can look for it in Sahih Muslims and Sahih Bukhari .and Typucally as God said "The book and the wisdom" .
It doesn't say Quran, and what you highlighted isn't the word "mithluhu" so who's hadith is this? bukhari? it has nothing about hikma.
there is no hadith explain this verse, you(me and you and the whole Muslim) must understand it, and see above there is hadith talks about the same situation the saying of the prophet that he was given the Quran and one ressemble to it(like him) .
HIKMA means the orders of the prophet, the saying of him, his reports, his deeds, his way of speaking who they are registred in hadith.
You didn't prove it, your just giving it that meaning which Shafi attributed, you learnt something new. it's not in hadith it's shafi's opinion that hikma = hadith. if there's not hadith that explains the verses than what's the use of hadith?
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Did I use Hadith from Bukhari book ?
No, it is khan who used Bukhari in his translation, not your fault bro! these people won't understand though. good luck.
Al-Hikmah (i.e. Sunnah, Isl?mic laws and Fiqh - jurisprudence), and teaching you that which you used not to know.
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Yes, yes RH. I got the touch, I got the power, after all is said and done, I've never walked, I've never run...I'm a winner. (transformers...I thought it was apt).
Now go away and let the lion awaken
The only winner here is me, every one will enter to this website and read this thread he will see the truth, so don't lie to yourself . I've asked your opinion and your interpretation of a verse and you went looking for Assaad interpretation, and the worst that you deleted the thread and you didn't accept a debate with me and you , you want to cover between guys here . I've showed that you're a christian and you're here to destroy Islam because you don't even speak using Quran .
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I'm not going to answer until you make it in another Thread and the debate will be with me and you .
This is as good a thread as any, what you waitin' for? Do you need me to taunt you like you did? Hmmm, your house plants smell like elderberries and your pet goldfish is a coward! Fight I say!No, I'll not respond you here, if you don't make it in another Thread, it is abvious that you want to delete and destroy this thread . Oh people I'm just looking for a fair crack of the whip . Am I asking the impossible ? a debate between me and her and all the forum will watch .
Haha, you got cold feet! You got cold feet! The whole forum is watching, only you won't debate... -
The only winner here is me, every one will enter to this website and read this thread he will see the truth, so don't lie to yourself . I've asked your opinion and your interpretation of a verse and you went looking for Assaad interpretation, and the worst that you deleted the thread and you didn't accept a debate with me and you , you want to cover between guys here . I've showed that you're a christian and you're here to destroy Islam because you don't even speak using Quran .
Just accept it, I'm the better man here. Forget Asad if he pours salt on your wounds so, think of it as me. if you want, I'll go change the asad to savage_carrot...would that make you happy enough to debate, or will you still pout? -
I highly doubt you just read it, obviously i disagree.
I swear I read the part where he mentioned the word HIKMA and he justified it from Quran and from Hdaith as well, I take in rarabic as it seems too strange for you arabic . now the subject is when we disagree we give a proof, not just say I disgree. now bring your proof if you're truthful.
It doesn't say Quran, and what you highlighted isn't the word "mithluhu" so who's hadith is this? bukhari? it has nothing about hikma.
So what does the prophet mean by I was given the book and Mithluhu ? and why God said "giving you the book and the wisdom ?
You didn't prove it, your just giving it that meaning which Shafi attributed, you learnt something new. it's not in hadith it's shafi's opinion that hikma = hadith. if there's not hadith that explains the verses than what's the use of hadith?
First of all I've said that I looked for theinformation myself then I looked for what the old and new scholars said. why they are wrong and you're right .
There are hadith explained some verses. And there are hadith for ligeslations . There are hadith for warning . there are hadith for ..........etc . you name it.
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The only winner here is me, every one will enter to this website and read this thread he will see the truth, so don't lie to yourself . I've asked your opinion and your interpretation of a verse and you went looking for Assaad interpretation, and the worst that you deleted the thread and you didn't accept a debate with me and you , you want to cover between guys here . I've showed that you're a christian and you're here to destroy Islam because you don't even speak using Quran .
You are hilarious
yes people will enter this site and see the truth, I think it should be made a 'sticky' so that it stays at the top for all to see your great debating skills and how you dance. I doubt it will be deleted for those same reasons too.
Now debate savage_carrot,IF you can, and stop whinging
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Just accept it, I'm the better man here. Forget Asad if he pours salt on your wounds so, think of it as me. if you want, I'll go change the asad to savage_carrot...would that make you happy enough to debate, or will you still pout?
whatever, the most important thing is make it in another Thread weather is Assad or carrot . And the discussion will be with me and you . merde you have wasted my time now I have to go to sleep. and Tomorrow please make it the thread if you're truthfull
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sir, didn't you hear it before? Al-hikma i.e. the sunna of the prophet was also sent down by God! means it is included in bima anzalallahu!
Now listen this also
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when they are asked to refer to the Book of Allah {Grand Qur'aan] so that it resolves and decides amongst them;
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they come/refer to it but afterwards one party of them walks away turning their face and they after having seen the Book avoid it.With what judgmet is intended to be made? The Book-Grand Qur'aan.
What our Bukhari and co mongers are doing? Is there any difference what Jews did with Qur'aan?
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No, it is khan who used Bukhari in his translation, not your fault bro! these people won't understand though. good luck.
Thank you so much, They want to hide the truth and to ruin the thread. This carrot have banned me before and have restricted me from writinh hadith but he got my answer . he thinks that I'll feel fear because he is one of the admin, well he better swallow it.