Quranists became Quranists because of their lack of understanding Quran.
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Is this about Mussa peace be upon him or about Abu Horayra ?
Are you pretending to be stupid or what?
You said We all know that Jewish are the best Liars in the world before and today . God read Quran .
Noon de Plume replied with this Who was Abu Hurairah exactly?
You replied with a lot of blurb including this Abu Huraira is a great companion
Noon de plume replied Was he not also Jewish, did you not write..."We all know that Jewish are the best Liars in the world before and today..."?
You clearly contradicted yourself again; like I stated think before you post.You replied No, He wasn't Jewish, never was . He was from Bani Isreal and they are not Jewish .
Then you spent ages trying to claim that jewish are not from Israel when the entire world knows they are, then you went on to deny how Romans got the name! Really, are you quite sure YOU are not high?
I've asked before about the question that Jewish are from the "Al-Ass" and Bani Isreal are from "Jacob" . If denying this will make you happy, go ahead make a party .
yes and I explained in detail about the difference between Israel the man and Israel the country.I know what I wrote and I know myself, I don't need your opinion thanks .
you obvioulsy dont know what you wrote.Its there in black and white on pages 3 and 4 of that thread with your name on the posts.
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Do you know what this kind of bickering has turned into in the world?
A lot of people dying horrible, cruel.... fiery, bloody deaths --
in the name of opium poppies, cocaine fields.... and oil wells.The people who own these industries are always at the top of the list.
Always the bottom line.That is the truth, no matter what any book ever tells you.
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Are you pretending to be stupid or what?
No, we were talking about Mussa and his nationality .
Quote from Noon de Plume on April 25, 2010, 054020 PM
I gave you the answer; not my fault you cannot comprehend a simply thing -- the Romans derives from the Latin ?Romanus? i.e. one of the founders of Rome later associated with the Roman empire. Read your hadith and history stop playing "Mickey Dunce" and pompous know it all Arab hypocrite like the ones mentioned in Qur'an.As I see, you're the one who can not comprehend a simply thing, I asked you to give me the meanings of the word, why they are called Romanus? as I see I gave you why they are called that way . do you ? NO .
As I said before, you don't know what gender of Arabs that are mentioned , Do you ?
Quote from Noon de Plume on April 25, 2010, 054020 PM
You clearly contradicted not knowing basic history and writing it's an Arabic name which it's not, never was, it's a borrowed word like many other words in Qur'an which have Persian roots and others like the name Musa -- Egyptian.These roots end in the last result is Arabic . Are you saying that God borrowed words ?
Quote from Noon de Plume on April 25, 2010, 054020 PM
Was he not also Jewish, did you not write..."We all know that Jewish are the best Liars in the world before and today..."?No, He wasn't Jewish, never was . He was from Bani Isreal and they are not Jewish .
Quote from Noon de Plume on April 25, 2010, 054020 PM
You clearly contradicted yourself again; like I stated think before you post.No, never. You must think before posting .
Yes, you are right , I didn't pay attention , I was talking about Mussa, why would I say that Abu Horayra was from Bani Isreal and I know very well that he wasn't even from Bani Isreal ?
no, sorry we were talking about Mussa and his nationality . So I didn't pay attention to the post that he quoted.
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is the son of "" and he was hating his brother "" . but after ...it's a long story . you want the name in arabic I gave it to you,
But you have said on some other thread that in Arabic proper names do not have "al" before it. And from where you came to know that this so called man is the son of "" alahissalam? From Jews!! who according to you are the greatest liars?
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No, we were talking about Mussa and his nationality .
Quote from Noon de Plume on April 25, 2010, 054020 PM
I gave you the answer; not my fault you cannot comprehend a simply thing -- the Romans derives from the Latin ?Romanus? i.e. one of the founders of Rome later associated with the Roman empire. Read your hadith and history stop playing "Mickey Dunce" and pompous know it all Arab hypocrite like the ones mentioned in Qur'an.As I see, you're the one who can not comprehend a simply thing, I asked you to give me the meanings of the word, why they are called Romanus? as I see I gave you why they are called that way . do you ? NO .
As I said before, you don't know what gender of Arabs that are mentioned , Do you ?
Quote from Noon de Plume on April 25, 2010, 054020 PM
You clearly contradicted not knowing basic history and writing it's an Arabic name which it's not, never was, it's a borrowed word like many other words in Qur'an which have Persian roots and others like the name Musa -- Egyptian.These roots end in the last result is Arabic . Are you saying that God borrowed words ?
Quote from Noon de Plume on April 25, 2010, 054020 PM
Was he not also Jewish, did you not write..."We all know that Jewish are the best Liars in the world before and today..."?No, He wasn't Jewish, never was . He was from Bani Isreal and they are not Jewish .
Quote from Noon de Plume on April 25, 2010, 054020 PM
You clearly contradicted yourself again; like I stated think before you post.No, never. You must think before posting .
Yes, you are right , I didn't pay attention , I was talking about Mussa, why would I say that Abu Horayra was from Bani Isreal and I know very well that he wasn't even from Bani Isreal ?
no, sorry we were talking about Mussa and his nationality . So I didn't pay attention to the post that he quoted.
well its there on page 3 and 4 for anyone to see the real conversation and you replied to abu huraira being jewish. So if you are now saying you meant Moses, what have you got to say about your claim that they were all liars? you calling Moses a liar now?
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well its there on page 3 and 4 for anyone to see the real conversation and you replied to abu huraira being jewish. So if you are now saying you meant Moses, what have you got to say about your claim that they were all liars? you calling Moses a liar now?
Well, until you differ between Jewish and Bani Isreal, I'll answer you .
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Peace Thereformer1
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600423.msg247796#msg247796
You missed this question.
I believe it is Hassan which according to Hadith followers is sound. Why was it classified Hassan in the first place? Don't you think it is blasphemous to think a goat ate Quranic verses which is why they are lost.
I in turn ask you. Did the stoning verse get lost or not? Yes, or No.
The first hadith about Aisha is not in Bukhari neither in Sahih Muslim, so it is a lie . the real hadith is what stated from Omar about the stoning verse . and I'm going to explain.
Sahih al Bukhari Volume 8, pages 209-210, we read this sermon delivered by Hadhrath Umar during his last Hajj as Khalifa "Certainly Allah sent Muhammad with the truth, and revealed to him the Book. One of the revelations which came to him was the verse of stoning. We read it and understood it?. "The Messenger of God stoned and we stoned after him. I am concerned that if time goes on, someone may say, 'By God, we do not find the verse of stoning in the Book of God;'
did the hadith said, they verses have been lost ?
The hadith of Omar is too clear that the verses were from the abrogates. So I ask you to read very well about the abrogates from a good website or a book of Islam.
The verses were applicable in the existence of the prophet and Sahaba, but when God abrogated these verses, they have been deleted because the laws is already established and Muslims followed it.
The hadith talks about Omar when he said that people in the near future will deny this punishment of stonning because it is not existed in Quran.
But the hadith from Aisha about a goat is ridiculous and it is not in Sahih Bukhari neither in Sagih Muslim. so it is a lie and a fabrucated hadith from "Al_KHAWAREJ" .
There is a relation. These hadith say verses of the Quran were "lost" forever.
The Quran says to lash them. What do you think?The first hadith about Aisha is not in Bukhari neither in Sahih Muslim, so it is a lie .
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The verses were applicable in the existence of the prophet and Sahaba, but when God abrogated these verses, they have been deleted because the laws is already established and Muslims followed it.
You perhaps said somewhere elso that nothing was abrogated and something like that that it merely meant reducing.......Here you have a different story to narrate!! Go to sleep, come afresh tomorrow, Allah willing.
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hypno Its becoming clearer now. Thank you so much transformer. I have got it
God sent a book He had already written but revealed over 23 years waiting for events to catch up with the book He had already written
he changed His mind on some things so He abrogated them
Then He remembered some other things and sent them as the mysterious 'sunnah' of Muhammed, in hadith written at the time because they were also revealed by God to Muhammed, the 'hikma'
Muhammed said not to write these though because God had not finished sending the message and might need to change things
200 years later bukhari comes along and finds these 'secret verses' and they become an appendix to the Book that is fully detailed and complete.
ok I got it hypno lead me to the sheep hypno
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The first hadith about Aisha is not in Bukhari neither in Sahih Muslim, so it is a lie . the real hadith is what stated from Omar about the stoning verse . and I'm going to explain.
did the hadith said, they verses have been lost ?
The hadith of Omar is too clear that the verses were from the abrogates. So I ask you to read very well about the abrogates from a good website or a book of Islam.
The verses were applicable in the existence of the prophet and Sahaba, but when God abrogated these verses, they have been deleted because the laws is already established and Muslims followed it.
The hadith talks about Omar when he said that people in the near future will deny this punishment of stonning because it is not existed in Quran.
But the hadith from Aisha about a goat is ridiculous and it is not in Sahih Bukhari neither in Sagih Muslim. so it is a lie and a fabrucated hadith from "Al_KHAWAREJ" .
There is a relation. These hadith say verses of the Quran were "lost" forever.
The Quran says to lash them. What do you think?The first hadith about Aisha is not in Bukhari neither in Sahih Muslim, so it is a lie .
You don't care what the implications are on the integrity of the Quran if such important rulings such as stoning are not there? Abrogation is just a lame excuse with no basis in the Quran.
http//freequranonline.org/quranic-abrogation
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hypno Its becoming clearer now. Thank you so much transformer. I have got it
God sent a book He had already written but revealed over 23 years waiting for events to catch up with the book He had already written
he changed His mind on some things so He abrogated them
Then He remembered some other things and sent them as the mysterious 'sunnah' of Muhammed, in hadith written at the time because they were also revealed by God to Muhammed, the 'hikma'
Muhammed said not to write these though because God had not finished sending the message and might need to change things
200 years later bukhari comes along and finds these 'secret verses' and they become an appendix to the Book that is fully detailed and complete.
ok I got it hypno lead me to the sheep hypno
brickwall brickwall brickwall
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Ayisha, please ask our learned friend HOW MANY AYAT are abrogated. He never dares to answer THAT question.
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Peace
is a child naked like a man naked ?
Yes, absent of attire.
read hadith please they are showering naked (men together showering naked ) . is this too hard to understand , how old are you ?
Okay it makes sense where you are coming from. I did not read the hadeeth, just your commentary to it in which I saw you saying showering naked was bad, not showering naked with other men.
do you know about what kind of shower , I am talking about ? mature men naked and without even a cover from people. are you showering in street with your friends all of you naked ?
I do now that you mention men showering naked together instead of men showering naked. Personally I do not associate nudity with "evil" or with "bad". You are bringing such things back to some sort of "sexual deviancy".
Joe
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Peace
Yes, thanks (those who have knowledge) , are you one of them ?
No I'm not.
No, thanks, I'm not english .So I know what does the word mean in every verse .
You don't have to know English. I provided you with the occurrences of the word, all you have to do is read them in whatever language you are fluent in and than answer my question.
Joe