Quranists became Quranists because of their lack of understanding Quran.
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Peace Thereformer1
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You missed this question.
I believe it is Hassan which according to Hadith followers is sound. Why was it classified Hassan in the first place? Don't you think it is blasphemous to think a goat ate Quranic verses which is why they are lost.
I in turn ask you. Did the stoning verse get lost or not? Yes, or No.
The first hadith about Aisha is not in Bukhari neither in Sahih Muslim, so it is a lie . the real hadith is what stated from Omar about the stoning verse . and I'm going to explain.
Sahih al Bukhari Volume 8, pages 209-210, we read this sermon delivered by Hadhrath Umar during his last Hajj as Khalifa "Certainly Allah sent Muhammad with the truth, and revealed to him the Book. One of the revelations which came to him was the verse of stoning. We read it and understood it?. "The Messenger of God stoned and we stoned after him. I am concerned that if time goes on, someone may say, 'By God, we do not find the verse of stoning in the Book of God;'
did the hadith said, they verses have been lost ?
The hadith of Omar is too clear that the verses were from the abrogates. So I ask you to read very well about the abrogates from a good website or a book of Islam.
The verses were applicable in the existence of the prophet and Sahaba, but when God abrogated these verses, they have been deleted because the laws is already established and Muslims followed it.
The hadith talks about Omar when he said that people in the near future will deny this punishment of stonning because it is not existed in Quran.
But the hadith from Aisha about a goat is ridiculous and it is not in Sahih Bukhari neither in Sagih Muslim. so it is a lie and a fabrucated hadith from "Al_KHAWAREJ" .
There is a relation. These hadith say verses of the Quran were "lost" forever.
The Quran says to lash them. What do you think?The first hadith about Aisha is not in Bukhari neither in Sahih Muslim, so it is a lie .
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The verses were applicable in the existence of the prophet and Sahaba, but when God abrogated these verses, they have been deleted because the laws is already established and Muslims followed it.
You perhaps said somewhere elso that nothing was abrogated and something like that that it merely meant reducing.......Here you have a different story to narrate!! Go to sleep, come afresh tomorrow, Allah willing.
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hypno Its becoming clearer now. Thank you so much transformer. I have got it
God sent a book He had already written but revealed over 23 years waiting for events to catch up with the book He had already written
he changed His mind on some things so He abrogated them
Then He remembered some other things and sent them as the mysterious 'sunnah' of Muhammed, in hadith written at the time because they were also revealed by God to Muhammed, the 'hikma'
Muhammed said not to write these though because God had not finished sending the message and might need to change things
200 years later bukhari comes along and finds these 'secret verses' and they become an appendix to the Book that is fully detailed and complete.
ok I got it hypno lead me to the sheep hypno
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The first hadith about Aisha is not in Bukhari neither in Sahih Muslim, so it is a lie . the real hadith is what stated from Omar about the stoning verse . and I'm going to explain.
did the hadith said, they verses have been lost ?
The hadith of Omar is too clear that the verses were from the abrogates. So I ask you to read very well about the abrogates from a good website or a book of Islam.
The verses were applicable in the existence of the prophet and Sahaba, but when God abrogated these verses, they have been deleted because the laws is already established and Muslims followed it.
The hadith talks about Omar when he said that people in the near future will deny this punishment of stonning because it is not existed in Quran.
But the hadith from Aisha about a goat is ridiculous and it is not in Sahih Bukhari neither in Sagih Muslim. so it is a lie and a fabrucated hadith from "Al_KHAWAREJ" .
There is a relation. These hadith say verses of the Quran were "lost" forever.
The Quran says to lash them. What do you think?The first hadith about Aisha is not in Bukhari neither in Sahih Muslim, so it is a lie .
You don't care what the implications are on the integrity of the Quran if such important rulings such as stoning are not there? Abrogation is just a lame excuse with no basis in the Quran.
http//freequranonline.org/quranic-abrogation
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hypno Its becoming clearer now. Thank you so much transformer. I have got it
God sent a book He had already written but revealed over 23 years waiting for events to catch up with the book He had already written
he changed His mind on some things so He abrogated them
Then He remembered some other things and sent them as the mysterious 'sunnah' of Muhammed, in hadith written at the time because they were also revealed by God to Muhammed, the 'hikma'
Muhammed said not to write these though because God had not finished sending the message and might need to change things
200 years later bukhari comes along and finds these 'secret verses' and they become an appendix to the Book that is fully detailed and complete.
ok I got it hypno lead me to the sheep hypno
brickwall brickwall brickwall
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Ayisha, please ask our learned friend HOW MANY AYAT are abrogated. He never dares to answer THAT question.
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Peace
is a child naked like a man naked ?
Yes, absent of attire.
read hadith please they are showering naked (men together showering naked ) . is this too hard to understand , how old are you ?
Okay it makes sense where you are coming from. I did not read the hadeeth, just your commentary to it in which I saw you saying showering naked was bad, not showering naked with other men.
do you know about what kind of shower , I am talking about ? mature men naked and without even a cover from people. are you showering in street with your friends all of you naked ?
I do now that you mention men showering naked together instead of men showering naked. Personally I do not associate nudity with "evil" or with "bad". You are bringing such things back to some sort of "sexual deviancy".
Joe
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Peace
Yes, thanks (those who have knowledge) , are you one of them ?
No I'm not.
No, thanks, I'm not english .So I know what does the word mean in every verse .
You don't have to know English. I provided you with the occurrences of the word, all you have to do is read them in whatever language you are fluent in and than answer my question.
Joe
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Peace
we have study both of Quran and sunnah and we are better than any sect claims that follows Quran .
Your sect does not "claim" to follow the quran? Falsehood, though temporary , does tend to creep into the channels that "truth" treads .
let me remind you that the best interpreters and shouyoukh and scholars are sunnah .
What makes them the best from any other person? Are there a set of credentials, and who laid these credentials out?
the majority of muslim community are sunnah with 1.5 billion muslims sunni .
The majority of the people are astray but who's counting?
Joe
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Ayisha, please ask our learned friend HOW MANY AYAT are abrogated. He never dares to answer THAT question.
Dear bro, of course he cant answer that question as you have to abrogate whichever doesnt fit with the hadith you're looking at at the time. ) Have YOU ever tried following a book with abrogations AND Apendices?? Its not easy you know! -\ all that (refer to xx, refer to xxx column c, refer to 213 column b) it takes TIME hypno
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You don't care what the implications are on the integrity of the Quran if such important rulings such as stoning are not there? Abrogation is just a lame excuse with no basis in the Quran.
http//freequranonline.org/quranic-abrogation
No, who said that ? a lot of verses God have abrogated, and they have been ascended . I can justify itt from Quran .
the verse said 2106
(106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that All?h is able to do all things?)
Look at what God said = We abrogate or cause to be forgotten . We don't talk without proof from Quran . We know Quran better than anyone .
and by the way when I said look for the abrogate, I didn't mean go to a quranic website, they don't know what does this word mean in arabic .
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hypno Its becoming clearer now. Thank you so much transformer. I have got it
God sent a book He had already written but revealed over 23 years waiting for events to catch up with the book He had already written
he changed His mind on some things so He abrogated them
Then He remembered some other things and sent them as the mysterious 'sunnah' of Muhammed, in hadith written at the time because they were also revealed by God to Muhammed, the 'hikma'
Muhammed said not to write these though because God had not finished sending the message and might need to change things
200 years later bukhari comes along and finds these 'secret verses' and they become an appendix to the Book that is fully detailed and complete.
ok I got it hypno lead me to the sheep hypno
Allert This thing is tough for you and it can blow up your mind, I recommand to keep your mind empty . Ignorance helps people today .
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Ayisha, please ask our learned friend HOW MANY AYAT are abrogated. He never dares to answer THAT question.
Yes, and no one of the quranists will get this answer , you want the answer, dream about it or find it yourself .
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Peace
If you take a quranist to be someone who practices the quran than yes.
Joe
Aha , practices the quran, are you sure ? what about this verse
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God here said to the believers in general to return to him(by his book) and to the prophet when there is any dispute about a matter . so what God meant by the prophet if he is going to die ? and why he mentioned him after his name if he knew that everything is in Quran ? let me remind you that Quran is timeless and the speech is for the believers before and today . Answer .