Quranists became Quranists because of their lack of understanding Quran.
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Ayisha, please ask our learned friend HOW MANY AYAT are abrogated. He never dares to answer THAT question.
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Peace
is a child naked like a man naked ?
Yes, absent of attire.
read hadith please they are showering naked (men together showering naked ) . is this too hard to understand , how old are you ?
Okay it makes sense where you are coming from. I did not read the hadeeth, just your commentary to it in which I saw you saying showering naked was bad, not showering naked with other men.
do you know about what kind of shower , I am talking about ? mature men naked and without even a cover from people. are you showering in street with your friends all of you naked ?
I do now that you mention men showering naked together instead of men showering naked. Personally I do not associate nudity with "evil" or with "bad". You are bringing such things back to some sort of "sexual deviancy".
Joe
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Yes, thanks (those who have knowledge) , are you one of them ?
No I'm not.
No, thanks, I'm not english .So I know what does the word mean in every verse .
You don't have to know English. I provided you with the occurrences of the word, all you have to do is read them in whatever language you are fluent in and than answer my question.
Joe
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we have study both of Quran and sunnah and we are better than any sect claims that follows Quran .
Your sect does not "claim" to follow the quran? Falsehood, though temporary , does tend to creep into the channels that "truth" treads .
let me remind you that the best interpreters and shouyoukh and scholars are sunnah .
What makes them the best from any other person? Are there a set of credentials, and who laid these credentials out?
the majority of muslim community are sunnah with 1.5 billion muslims sunni .
The majority of the people are astray but who's counting?
Joe
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Ayisha, please ask our learned friend HOW MANY AYAT are abrogated. He never dares to answer THAT question.
Dear bro, of course he cant answer that question as you have to abrogate whichever doesnt fit with the hadith you're looking at at the time. ) Have YOU ever tried following a book with abrogations AND Apendices?? Its not easy you know! -\ all that (refer to xx, refer to xxx column c, refer to 213 column b) it takes TIME hypno
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You don't care what the implications are on the integrity of the Quran if such important rulings such as stoning are not there? Abrogation is just a lame excuse with no basis in the Quran.
http//freequranonline.org/quranic-abrogation
No, who said that ? a lot of verses God have abrogated, and they have been ascended . I can justify itt from Quran .
the verse said 2106
(106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that All?h is able to do all things?)
Look at what God said = We abrogate or cause to be forgotten . We don't talk without proof from Quran . We know Quran better than anyone .
and by the way when I said look for the abrogate, I didn't mean go to a quranic website, they don't know what does this word mean in arabic .
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hypno Its becoming clearer now. Thank you so much transformer. I have got it
God sent a book He had already written but revealed over 23 years waiting for events to catch up with the book He had already written
he changed His mind on some things so He abrogated them
Then He remembered some other things and sent them as the mysterious 'sunnah' of Muhammed, in hadith written at the time because they were also revealed by God to Muhammed, the 'hikma'
Muhammed said not to write these though because God had not finished sending the message and might need to change things
200 years later bukhari comes along and finds these 'secret verses' and they become an appendix to the Book that is fully detailed and complete.
ok I got it hypno lead me to the sheep hypno
Allert This thing is tough for you and it can blow up your mind, I recommand to keep your mind empty . Ignorance helps people today .
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Ayisha, please ask our learned friend HOW MANY AYAT are abrogated. He never dares to answer THAT question.
Yes, and no one of the quranists will get this answer , you want the answer, dream about it or find it yourself .
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Peace
If you take a quranist to be someone who practices the quran than yes.
Joe
Aha , practices the quran, are you sure ? what about this verse
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God here said to the believers in general to return to him(by his book) and to the prophet when there is any dispute about a matter . so what God meant by the prophet if he is going to die ? and why he mentioned him after his name if he knew that everything is in Quran ? let me remind you that Quran is timeless and the speech is for the believers before and today . Answer .
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Obviously this verse means that we should follow a bunch of sayings that originated years after the prophet's death with no concrete backing to stand on. How could I be so blind so as not to see that! Subhanallah.
I hope I become a good little Sunni so I can then take the quran and whip my own meanings out of my ass to go with my beliefs and get congratulated for it (not that this doesn't happen with "quranists".
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When you say from the prophet directly do you mean he dictated them to others or do you mean someone heard someone close to the prophet hear him say something?
JoeAha and my mother told us about the saying of my grandmother who took it from his mother and those sayings are a saying of wisdom., is that mean that these sayings are not true ? let me remind you that most of these saying tested and registered.
For example a saying from the english language (A miss is as good as a mile) This proverbial saying dates from the 18th century, we are now in 21 th century and people still use it.
Do you know the story of greek and why they didn't want to write the saying of their wise men in first place until a time when people decide to write it ?
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Aha , practices the quran, are you sure ? what about this verse
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God here said to the believers in general to return to him(by his book) and to the prophet when there is any dispute about a matter . so what God meant by the prophet if he is going to die ? and why he mentioned him after his name if he knew that everything is in Quran ? let me remind you that Quran is timeless and the speech is for the believers before and today . Answer .And He was asked to tell people this, since Allah knew that there will be Bukharis and like of him who will be attributing all sorts of gossips with his name
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And this Qur'aan has been communicated to me so that I admonish/awaken you the living people with this and to admonish/awaken the one whom this Qur'aan reached". ;Allah told that he has to die. What will happen afterwards to guide people?
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The Book, the Aa'ya'at of which have been compacted/placed in enclave , each has been separated/distinguished/demarcated/ isolated/made distinct;http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/041.%20Fusselat/41.03b.gif
The Qur'aan in Arabic, so that people may learn/get knowledge.
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The Qur'aan is a giver of glad tidings and a Warner/Awakener/Revivalist .Bukhari and company followers are always in time and space in large quantity/number
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Then/for reason most of them, after having seen/heard the Qur'aan, have inclined themselves to turn away/refrain from it and hence they do not listen .Chapter41
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And He was asked to tell people this, since Allah knew that there will be Bukharis and like of him who will be attributing all sorts of gossips with his name
who told you that ? do you receive messages or what ? or are you a seer of the unknown ?
Allah told that he has to die. What will happen afterwards to guide people?
where it says that he has to die ? I see nothing in the verse talks about that ?
Bukhari and company followers are always in time and space in large quantity/number
Is Bukhari mentioned in the verse ? do you know the verse about what kind of people is talking? is Bukhari doesn't follow Quran ?
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All irrelevant and evasive talk exactly following line of Bukhari type people. Message is clear in the verse that Bukhari type majority of people do not consider Quraan in time and space as The Warner, and avoid it for living according to self enjoying gossips.
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All irrelevant and evasive talk exactly following line of Bukhari type people. Message is clear in the verse that Bukhari type majority of people do not consider Quraan in time and space as The Warner, and avoid it for living according to self enjoying gossips.
hahah, you didn't answer the question about the verses , lol . So keep blabling.
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No, who said that ? a lot of verses God have abrogated, and they have been ascended . I can justify itt from Quran .
the verse said 2106
(106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that All?h is able to do all things?)
Look at what God said = We abrogate or cause to be forgotten . We don't talk without proof from Quran . We know Quran better than anyone .
and by the way when I said look for the abrogate, I didn't mean go to a quranic website, they don't know what does this word mean in arabic .
Peace,
Following is an example of 2106. No sex in old revelation; sex is allowed (legal ofcourse) in the new revelation. This is what The God is talking about in 2106.
2187 (RK) - Permitted for you is sexual intercourse with your wives during the nights of fasting. They are the keepers of your secrets, and you are the keepers of their secrets. GOD knew that you used to betray your souls, and He has redeemed you, and has pardoned you. Henceforth, you may have intercourse with them, seeking what GOD has permitted for you. You may eat and drink until the white thread of light becomes distinguishable from the dark thread of night at dawn. Then, you shall fast until sunset. Sexual intercourse is prohibited if you decide to retreat to the masjid (during the last ten days of Ramadan). These are GOD's laws; you shall not transgress them. GOD thus clarifies His revelations for the people, that they may attain salvation.
2187 (YA) - Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. God knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what God Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) God Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth God make clear His Signs to men that they may learn self-restraint.
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Following is an example of 2106. No sex in old revelation; sex is allowed (legal ofcourse) in the new revelation. This is what The God is talking about in 2106.2106 is talking about something else and not about 2187 . They are not even in the same way and how it can be about 187 ? no relation, sex (legal of course ) was allowed before (in old revelation) and is allowed in the new revelation and it is in our extinct or why would God create women and said no sex in old revelation(legal of course) ? or how Adam and Eve have had children ?
The verse 187 from surah 2 is talking about sex in ramadan in the night because people have abandoned their wives in night without reason. And then the verse came to show them that night is for you(the believers )and their wives. And the verse abrogated itself without need to any other verse
- It is made lawful for you to have sexual relations with your wives on the night of As-Saum (the fasts). They are Lib?s , for you and you are the same for them. All?h knows that you used to deceive yourselves, so He turned to you (accepted your repentance) and forgave you. So now have sexual relations with them and seek that which All?h has ordained for you (offspring), and eat and drink until the white thread (light) of dawn appears to you distinct from the black thread (darkness of night), then complete your Saum (fast) till the nightfall. And do not have sexual relations with them (your wives) while you are in I?tik?f (i.e. confining oneself in a mosque for prayers and invocations leaving the worldly activities) in the mosques. These are the limits (set) by All?h, so approach them not. Thus does All?h make clear His Ay?t (proofs, evidence, lessons, signs, revelations, verses, laws, legal and illegal things, All?h?s set limits, orders) to mankind that they may become Al-Muttaq?n
Look red >>>>>> Green .