Quranists became Quranists because of their lack of understanding Quran.
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is a child naked like a man naked ?
Yes, absent of attire.
read hadith please they are showering naked (men together showering naked ) . is this too hard to understand , how old are you ?
Okay it makes sense where you are coming from. I did not read the hadeeth, just your commentary to it in which I saw you saying showering naked was bad, not showering naked with other men.
do you know about what kind of shower , I am talking about ? mature men naked and without even a cover from people. are you showering in street with your friends all of you naked ?
I do now that you mention men showering naked together instead of men showering naked. Personally I do not associate nudity with "evil" or with "bad". You are bringing such things back to some sort of "sexual deviancy".
Joe
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Yes, thanks (those who have knowledge) , are you one of them ?
No I'm not.
No, thanks, I'm not english .So I know what does the word mean in every verse .
You don't have to know English. I provided you with the occurrences of the word, all you have to do is read them in whatever language you are fluent in and than answer my question.
Joe
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we have study both of Quran and sunnah and we are better than any sect claims that follows Quran .
Your sect does not "claim" to follow the quran? Falsehood, though temporary , does tend to creep into the channels that "truth" treads .
let me remind you that the best interpreters and shouyoukh and scholars are sunnah .
What makes them the best from any other person? Are there a set of credentials, and who laid these credentials out?
the majority of muslim community are sunnah with 1.5 billion muslims sunni .
The majority of the people are astray but who's counting?
Joe
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Ayisha, please ask our learned friend HOW MANY AYAT are abrogated. He never dares to answer THAT question.
Dear bro, of course he cant answer that question as you have to abrogate whichever doesnt fit with the hadith you're looking at at the time. ) Have YOU ever tried following a book with abrogations AND Apendices?? Its not easy you know! -\ all that (refer to xx, refer to xxx column c, refer to 213 column b) it takes TIME hypno
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You don't care what the implications are on the integrity of the Quran if such important rulings such as stoning are not there? Abrogation is just a lame excuse with no basis in the Quran.
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No, who said that ? a lot of verses God have abrogated, and they have been ascended . I can justify itt from Quran .
the verse said 2106
(106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that All?h is able to do all things?)
Look at what God said = We abrogate or cause to be forgotten . We don't talk without proof from Quran . We know Quran better than anyone .
and by the way when I said look for the abrogate, I didn't mean go to a quranic website, they don't know what does this word mean in arabic .
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hypno Its becoming clearer now. Thank you so much transformer. I have got it
God sent a book He had already written but revealed over 23 years waiting for events to catch up with the book He had already written
he changed His mind on some things so He abrogated them
Then He remembered some other things and sent them as the mysterious 'sunnah' of Muhammed, in hadith written at the time because they were also revealed by God to Muhammed, the 'hikma'
Muhammed said not to write these though because God had not finished sending the message and might need to change things
200 years later bukhari comes along and finds these 'secret verses' and they become an appendix to the Book that is fully detailed and complete.
ok I got it hypno lead me to the sheep hypno
Allert This thing is tough for you and it can blow up your mind, I recommand to keep your mind empty . Ignorance helps people today .
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Ayisha, please ask our learned friend HOW MANY AYAT are abrogated. He never dares to answer THAT question.
Yes, and no one of the quranists will get this answer , you want the answer, dream about it or find it yourself .
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If you take a quranist to be someone who practices the quran than yes.
Joe
Aha , practices the quran, are you sure ? what about this verse
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God here said to the believers in general to return to him(by his book) and to the prophet when there is any dispute about a matter . so what God meant by the prophet if he is going to die ? and why he mentioned him after his name if he knew that everything is in Quran ? let me remind you that Quran is timeless and the speech is for the believers before and today . Answer .
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Obviously this verse means that we should follow a bunch of sayings that originated years after the prophet's death with no concrete backing to stand on. How could I be so blind so as not to see that! Subhanallah.
I hope I become a good little Sunni so I can then take the quran and whip my own meanings out of my ass to go with my beliefs and get congratulated for it (not that this doesn't happen with "quranists".
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When you say from the prophet directly do you mean he dictated them to others or do you mean someone heard someone close to the prophet hear him say something?
JoeAha and my mother told us about the saying of my grandmother who took it from his mother and those sayings are a saying of wisdom., is that mean that these sayings are not true ? let me remind you that most of these saying tested and registered.
For example a saying from the english language (A miss is as good as a mile) This proverbial saying dates from the 18th century, we are now in 21 th century and people still use it.
Do you know the story of greek and why they didn't want to write the saying of their wise men in first place until a time when people decide to write it ?
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Aha , practices the quran, are you sure ? what about this verse
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God here said to the believers in general to return to him(by his book) and to the prophet when there is any dispute about a matter . so what God meant by the prophet if he is going to die ? and why he mentioned him after his name if he knew that everything is in Quran ? let me remind you that Quran is timeless and the speech is for the believers before and today . Answer .And He was asked to tell people this, since Allah knew that there will be Bukharis and like of him who will be attributing all sorts of gossips with his name
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And this Qur'aan has been communicated to me so that I admonish/awaken you the living people with this and to admonish/awaken the one whom this Qur'aan reached". ;Allah told that he has to die. What will happen afterwards to guide people?
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The Qur'aan in Arabic, so that people may learn/get knowledge.
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The Qur'aan is a giver of glad tidings and a Warner/Awakener/Revivalist .Bukhari and company followers are always in time and space in large quantity/number
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Then/for reason most of them, after having seen/heard the Qur'aan, have inclined themselves to turn away/refrain from it and hence they do not listen .Chapter41
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And He was asked to tell people this, since Allah knew that there will be Bukharis and like of him who will be attributing all sorts of gossips with his name
who told you that ? do you receive messages or what ? or are you a seer of the unknown ?
Allah told that he has to die. What will happen afterwards to guide people?
where it says that he has to die ? I see nothing in the verse talks about that ?
Bukhari and company followers are always in time and space in large quantity/number
Is Bukhari mentioned in the verse ? do you know the verse about what kind of people is talking? is Bukhari doesn't follow Quran ?
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All irrelevant and evasive talk exactly following line of Bukhari type people. Message is clear in the verse that Bukhari type majority of people do not consider Quraan in time and space as The Warner, and avoid it for living according to self enjoying gossips.
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All irrelevant and evasive talk exactly following line of Bukhari type people. Message is clear in the verse that Bukhari type majority of people do not consider Quraan in time and space as The Warner, and avoid it for living according to self enjoying gossips.
hahah, you didn't answer the question about the verses , lol . So keep blabling.
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No, who said that ? a lot of verses God have abrogated, and they have been ascended . I can justify itt from Quran .
the verse said 2106
(106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that All?h is able to do all things?)
Look at what God said = We abrogate or cause to be forgotten . We don't talk without proof from Quran . We know Quran better than anyone .
and by the way when I said look for the abrogate, I didn't mean go to a quranic website, they don't know what does this word mean in arabic .
Peace,
Following is an example of 2106. No sex in old revelation; sex is allowed (legal ofcourse) in the new revelation. This is what The God is talking about in 2106.
2187 (RK) - Permitted for you is sexual intercourse with your wives during the nights of fasting. They are the keepers of your secrets, and you are the keepers of their secrets. GOD knew that you used to betray your souls, and He has redeemed you, and has pardoned you. Henceforth, you may have intercourse with them, seeking what GOD has permitted for you. You may eat and drink until the white thread of light becomes distinguishable from the dark thread of night at dawn. Then, you shall fast until sunset. Sexual intercourse is prohibited if you decide to retreat to the masjid (during the last ten days of Ramadan). These are GOD's laws; you shall not transgress them. GOD thus clarifies His revelations for the people, that they may attain salvation.
2187 (YA) - Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. God knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what God Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) God Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth God make clear His Signs to men that they may learn self-restraint.
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Following is an example of 2106. No sex in old revelation; sex is allowed (legal ofcourse) in the new revelation. This is what The God is talking about in 2106.2106 is talking about something else and not about 2187 . They are not even in the same way and how it can be about 187 ? no relation, sex (legal of course ) was allowed before (in old revelation) and is allowed in the new revelation and it is in our extinct or why would God create women and said no sex in old revelation(legal of course) ? or how Adam and Eve have had children ?
The verse 187 from surah 2 is talking about sex in ramadan in the night because people have abandoned their wives in night without reason. And then the verse came to show them that night is for you(the believers )and their wives. And the verse abrogated itself without need to any other verse
- It is made lawful for you to have sexual relations with your wives on the night of As-Saum (the fasts). They are Lib?s , for you and you are the same for them. All?h knows that you used to deceive yourselves, so He turned to you (accepted your repentance) and forgave you. So now have sexual relations with them and seek that which All?h has ordained for you (offspring), and eat and drink until the white thread (light) of dawn appears to you distinct from the black thread (darkness of night), then complete your Saum (fast) till the nightfall. And do not have sexual relations with them (your wives) while you are in I?tik?f (i.e. confining oneself in a mosque for prayers and invocations leaving the worldly activities) in the mosques. These are the limits (set) by All?h, so approach them not. Thus does All?h make clear His Ay?t (proofs, evidence, lessons, signs, revelations, verses, laws, legal and illegal things, All?h?s set limits, orders) to mankind that they may become Al-Muttaq?n
Look red >>>>>> Green .
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If you claim that Quranists became Quranists because of their lack of understanding Quran but do you as a Sunni Muslim who follow Hadiths promoting Female Circumcision.
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The Hadith Software Fiqh-us-Sunnah.
Book 3. Ghusl, The Complete Ablution.Volume 001 Purification and Prayer. Fiqh 1.051A.
Section Touching the two circumcised parts.
This refers to the penis and the vagina. If one's penis has entered his wife's vagina, ghusl is obligatory even if there was no ejaculation. Says Allah, "If you are sexually impure, purify yourselves." Commenting on the subject, ash-Shaifi says, "In the Arabic language, sexual impurity refers to any type of sexual intercourse, regardless of whether sperm was ejaculated or not. If someone says, 'So and so is sexually impure due to so and so,' it refers to any type of sexual intercourse between them, even if there was no ejaculation. No one disagrees that the fornication which requires the prescribed punishment is sexual intercourse, even if there is no ejaculation."
Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, said, "When anyone sits between the four parts of her body and exerts himself (has intercourse), bathing becomes obligatory (for both)." (Related by Ahmad and Muslim.)
Sa'eed ibn al-Musayyab reported that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari said to 'Aishah, "I would like to ask you something, but I am embarrassed." She said, "Ask and don't be shy, for I am your mother." He asked about a man who had intercourse but did not ejaculate. She said, on the authority of the Prophet, "If the two circumcised parts encountered each other, ghusl is obligatory." This hadith is related by Ahmad and Malik with different wordings. There is no doubt that there must be insertion; if there is only touching, ghusl is not obligatory for either. All scholars agree on this point.
Maliks Muwatta Book 002, Hadith Number 073.
Section Obligation to Do Ghusl when the Two Circumcised Parts Meet.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Umar ibn al-Khattab and Uthman ibn Affan and A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, used to say, "When the circumcised part touches the circumcised part, ghusl is obligatory."
Maliks Muwatta Book 002, Hadith Number 074.
Section Obligation to Do Ghusl when the Two Circumcised Parts Meet.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Abu'n Nadr, the mawla of Umar ibn Abdullah that Abu Salamaibn Abdar-Rahman ibn Awf related that he had asked A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, what made ghusl obligatory. She said, "Do you know what you are like, Abu Salama? You are like a chick when it hears the cocks crowing and so crows with them. When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part, ghusl is obligatory."
Maliks Muwatta Book 002, Hadith Number 075.
Section Obligation to Do Ghusl when the Two Circumcised Parts Meet.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Abu Musa al-Ashari came to A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said to her, "The disagreement of the companions in a matter which I hate to bring before you has distressed me." She said, "What is that? You did not ask your mother about it, so ask me." He said, "A man penetrates his wife, but becomes listless and does not ejaculate. "She said, "When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part ghusl is obligatory." Abu Musa added, "I shall never ask anyone about this after you."
Maliks Muwatta Book 002, Hadith Number 077.
Section Obligation to Do Ghusl when the Two Circumcised Parts Meet.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Abdullah ibn Umar used to say, "When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part, ghusl is obligatory."
Malik Book 020, Hadith Number 161.
Section The Animal (Hady) to be Sacrificed for Intercourse in Ihram.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said that he heard Said ibn al-Musayyab asking a group of people, "What do you think about someone who has intercourse with his wife while he is in ihram?" and none of them answered him. Said said, "There is a man who has had intercourse with his wife while in ihram who has sent a message to Madina asking about it." Some of them said, "They should be kept apart until a future year," and Said ibn al-Musayyab said, "They should carry on and complete the hajj which they have spoiled, and then return home when they have finished. If another hajj comes upon them, they must do hajj and sacrifice an animal. They should go into ihram at the same place where they went into ihram for the hajj that they spoiled, and they should keep apart until they have finished their hajj."
Malik said, "They should both sacrifice an animal."
Malik said, about a man who had intercourse with his wife during hajj after he had come down from Arafa but before he had stoned the Jamra, "He must sacrifice an animal and do hajj again in another year. If, however, he had intercourse with his wife after he stoned the Jamra, he only has to do an umra and sacrifice an animal and he does not have to do another hajj."
Malik said, "What spoils a hajj or an umra and makes sacrificing an animal and repeating the hajj necessary is the meeting of the two circumcised parts, even if there is no emission. It is also made necessary by an emission if it is the result of bodily contact. I do not think that a man who remembers something and has an emission owes anything, and if a man were to kiss his wife and no emission were to occur from that, he would only have to sacrifice an animal. A woman in ihram who has intercourse with her husband several times during hajj or umra out of obedience to him only has to do another hajj and sacrifice an animal. That is if her husband has intercourse with her while she is doing hajj. If he has intercourse with her while she is doing umra, she must repeat the umra she has spoiled and sacrifice an animal."
Shahi Muslim Book 003, Hadith Number 0684.
Chapter Abrogation of (the command that) bath is obligatory(only) because of seminal emission and instead contact of the circumcised parts makes bath obligatory.
Abu Musa reported There cropped up a difference of opinion between a group of Muhajirs (Emigrants and a group of Ansar (Helpers) (and the point of dispute was) that the Ansar said The bath (because of sexual intercourse) becomes obligatory only-when the semen spurts out or ejaculates. But the Muhajirs said When a man has sexual intercourse (with the woman), a bath becomes obligatory (no matter whether or not there is seminal emission or ejaculation). Abu Musa said Well, I satisfy you on this (issue). He (Abu Musa, the narrator) said I got up (and went) to 'Aisha and sought her permission and it was granted, and I said to her O Mother, or Mother of the Faithful, I want to ask you about a matter on which I feel shy. She said Don't feel shy of asking me about a thing which you can ask your mother, who gave you birth, for I am too your mother. Upon this I said What makes a bath obligatory for a person? She replied You have come across one well informed! The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said When anyone sits amidst four parts (of the woman) and the circumcised parts touch each other a bath becomes obligatory.
And a bonus hadith found in Abu Dawud
Abu Dawud Book 036, Hadith Number 5251.
Chapter Not known.
Narated By Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.