Quran vs quranists
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Yeah. Hey, you know what? Not everyone is like you, you're amongst an elite group of people, so you can stop projecting your m.o. onto others.
there is just so much mucking about you can do without reading and understanding people's posts. Then come the consequences. Repent now before it's too late.Yeah, because your post is like the statu of the inted states, well people can read your post and mine and they can see who is the one who flight and escaped from answering .
About who is going to repent is you, because denying the words of God and distorting Quran and saying Jeez ,here you must repent. I'm not sure that you're Muslim . none of your post has one verse and the only post you did bringing verse from Assaad website with interpretation .
If one keeps repeating something, it doesn't make it the truth.
There your posts, and there mines, people will decide who is the truthful and they already did, look for the posts here from other memebers .
Yes likeIf the quran is so full of clear instructions as you admit, why do you need anything else?
Yes, you need an explanation of these clear instructions, when God said "pray and prostrate" , the prophet came to show us how to pray and how many prayers and how to prostrate and what to say when we're prostrating . or do you have better idea about these clear instructions ?
And he descends to you from the book and al-hikmah and instructs you WITH IT. Why is it not with them? Let's answer doing the thereformer1 Duh.
I've explained to the member why it is not written with them, because the word "yaAAthikum" is for Quran, not for HIKMA, HIKMA is for another purposes .
And I've said that the word in arabic that came in the verse is not instruct .
This is what I said
The word in Arabic is " " and it doesn't mean "instruct you with it " and I explained why . The word in english is to give you lessons from it through explaining the mode of many stories in it or through the meaning of verses .Like surah Yusuf the Aitha and lessons in it are tolerance and patient of Yusuf .
So the "Aitha" is from Quran not from HIKMA, HIKMA has its own modes like independant ligeslations and translations of the words of Quran into deeds and Af-al . The verse is clear in arabic that HIKMA is not Quran in this thing which is "Ai-Al-AITHA"
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Is al-hikmah wahi ghair matlu?
look for the posts here from other memebers .
You must have sight beyond sight.Yes, you need an explanation of these clear instructions
Lmao.Go on, respond to abdal instead of having a paroxysm.
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As usual, you RIP OUT a few words from the ayah. You failed to see the part about 'laa tattakhidhoo AYAT ALLAHI huzuwan'. That shows that it is in fact the ayat of Allah.
'laa tattakhidhoo AYAT ALLAHI huzuwan', do you know that ayaat of allah is everything in the world , one of them is Quran which contains verses ?
God here asked us to not mock in his ayatte which can be everything in the world . Like for example one person insult the face of this one because of a mutation in it , the face of human is one of the ayyat, so don't mock about it.
Ayatt are not just verses .
The Quran is full of clear instructions? Good. That means we don't need anything to 'explain' it.
No that means nothing, being clear in its instructions, does not mean that it didn't need explanation of these clear instructions . When you're driving your car in the road and you see a red light , you stop , so the act of stopping when seeing a red light is an explanation of a clear instruction of code of roads .
Ok, so al-itha is for Quran. Good. So why does it say al-kitab wal hikmah ya3ihukum bihi. Why not Al-hikmah wal-kitab ya3ithukum bihi. Putting al-hikmah between al-kitab and al-itha shows your opinion doesn't fit.
No, it fits because the word is for Quran not for HIKMA, the God make it clear that the Al-itha is for Quran and he let HIKMA for another purposes . He mentioned that the prophet was giving the Book and the Hikma, because Quran contains stories where we can understand and comprehend the "Al-ITHA" . HIKMA is not for that purposes and he let the prophet to show its purposes from their deeds and their sayings and their reports.
Is al-hikmah wahi ghair matlu?
I didn't understand this , please if you want to write a word in arabic, write in arabic .
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sorry, i dont have arabic fonts here.
There are two kinds of wahi
matlu (recited)
ghair matlu (not recited)
is al-hikmah one or the other? thanks.
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sorry, i dont have arabic fonts here.
There are two kinds of wahi
matlu (recited)
ghair matlu (not recited)
is al-hikmah one or the other? thanks.Thanks for clarifying your question . And sorry to say that your classification about Wahi is a little bit wrong .
But I'm going to answer your question, because the subject is not about Wahi .
Al-HIKMA some of it Matlu and some of it ghair matlu . So let me ask you this question what is the ghair matlu ?
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Well I have read through the 5 pages I missed here today, and a few other threads to catch up with the dancing dunce here and i have learnt 2 very important things
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Never read savage_carrot while drinking, Highly important!
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Thereformer1 had no wisdom at all and cannot answer any questions properly and when you think he might be answering he puffs up his feathers and goes directly into half answer, immediate question again. I bet hes a whiz at tennis!
You know it was even funnier reading it all in one go than it is being involved in it all. Beats even Catherine Tate show and Ali G for humour.
Thanks for the laugh transformer laugh
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Thanks for clarifying your question . And sorry to say that your classification about Wahi is a little bit wrong .
Ok but this isn't my classification. This is from your 3ulum al-quran.
But I'm going to answer your question, because the subject is not about Wahi .
Al-HIKMA some of it Matlu and some of it ghair matlu . So let me ask you this question what is the ghair matlu ?Are you saying that the Quran and hadith have been mixed up? Because according to your classical 3ulum al-quran, Al-quran is wahi matlu which the Prophet recited (yatlu) to the people but al-hikmah isn't.
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abdalquran, you can avail this by keeping it simultaneously opened while writing here.
write Arabic there and cut and paste here.
http//www.arabic-keyboard.org/
Oh thank you so much, Mazhar. That will come in very useful, sir.
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- Thereformer1 had no wisdom at all and cannot answer any questions properly and when you think he might be answering he puffs up his feathers and goes directly into half answer, immediate question again. I bet hes a whiz at tennis!
Look , carrot savage admitted that wisdom is not the scripture. Rajjaah agreed with what I said in the thread, Zulu12 found my thread excelent and he added some questions (for quranists), RasulHamsa saw your tricks to ruin the thread and he agreed too that what I said is the truth , Leyna found the topic interesting and she can't admit the truth and she changed it into talking about me , you (Ayisha) the topic scared you and shocked you and you don't want to admit it because you were before living in a lie and you don't want to live in it again (but you are still living in it) . The topic attract two adminitrators ah let alone the guests that will read the topic and the members too and they will see the truth, don't worry . Ah and about the questions I answered them all of them, but sure my questions nobody answered them .
You're not only the one that the thread scared here.
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Ok but this isn't my classification. This is from your 3ulum al-quran.
No, sorry. This is your classification . My 3ulum al-quran classified it by another ways and what you stated there is under a section in this ways.
Are you saying that the Quran and hadith have been mixed up?
I didn't say that , I said that HIKMA some of it Matlu and some of ghair Matlu, that because you don't know what the word means in arabic and what other interpretations of it . so this is not our subject . I think all your questions have been answered .
Because according to your classical 3ulum al-quran, Al-quran is wahi matlu which the Prophet recited (yatlu) to the people but al-hikmah isn't.
The way that Gabriel the angel peace be upon him taught the prophet how to pray and how to do things is considered matlu. And the way that prophet received words from God without the revelation of Quran considered ghair matlu .
P.S You got your answers , now back to the topic .
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Excuse me? It is not up to you do define "truth". http//img13.imageshack.us/img13/3531/stupidki.gif
. police >>>>> elektro
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and she changed it into talking about me
You resort to ad hominem attacks all the time -- trying to insult people for their supposed mental deficiency, lack of knowledge, lack of Arabic, avatar, gender attributes, age and so on and so forth.
Yet when I call you out on your boasting and lying, you whine about me going off topic?
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Look , carrot savage admitted that wisdom is not the scripture.
That wasnt the issue though was it? No one said that the Wisdom WAS the Book, but it was IN The Book. twisting it now wont help you as we have all seen your way.Rajjaah agreed with what I said in the thread, Zulu12 found my thread excelent and he added some questions (for quranists), RasulHamsa saw your tricks to ruin the thread and he agreed too that what I said is the truth ,
you quite sure about that? ;DLeyna found the topic interesting and she can't admit the truth and she changed it into talking about me , you (Ayisha) the topic scared you and shocked you and you don't want to admit it because you were before living in a lie and you don't want to live in it again (but you are still living in it) .
What IS your problem with me? YES I was Christian, I have already said countless times on various boards that I never believed Jesus was 'son of' or 'God' himslef. BUT yes I, as many others HERE, were misled in our beliefs and are making damn sure people like YOU dont do it again. OK? Furthermore, NOTHING you say makes me 'scared' little man, NOTHING, because I KNOW TRUTH and YOU will NEVER take that away from me even if you sit here avoiding questions and fluffing up your feathers of arrogance and deceit and claiming you 'won' till doomsday.
The topic attract two adminitrators ah let alone the guests that will read the topic and the members too and they will see the truth, don't worry .
Oh I am far from worried, I know people will read this thread and see for themselves that you have NO IDEA what the hell you are talking about!Ah and about the questions I answered them all of them, but sure my questions nobody answered them .
You have answered NOTHING. you answer WITH a question while giving it 'hahaha you dont know Arabic, you dont have knowledge' like you're some kind of great scholar in your 21 years of age! Grow up little man then gain some REAL knowledge from using your brain and mind instead of taking a load of claptrap as FACT. Then come and DEBATE in a proper manner with the grown ups.You're not only the one that the thread scared here.
It didnt scare me but it has certainly terrified YOU
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Yet when I call you out on your boasting and lying, you whine about me going off topic?
We call people liars when we have evidence about their lies and proofs about these lies, when you don't, you better swallow your words .
Now to pick up the threads the topic is about "The book and the wisdom" .