Quranists became Quranists because of their lack of understanding Quran.
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If you claim that Quranists became Quranists because of their lack of understanding Quran but do you as a Sunni Muslim who follow Hadiths promoting Female Circumcision.
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Book 3. Ghusl, The Complete Ablution.Volume 001 Purification and Prayer. Fiqh 1.051A.
Section Touching the two circumcised parts.
This refers to the penis and the vagina. If one's penis has entered his wife's vagina, ghusl is obligatory even if there was no ejaculation. Says Allah, "If you are sexually impure, purify yourselves." Commenting on the subject, ash-Shaifi says, "In the Arabic language, sexual impurity refers to any type of sexual intercourse, regardless of whether sperm was ejaculated or not. If someone says, 'So and so is sexually impure due to so and so,' it refers to any type of sexual intercourse between them, even if there was no ejaculation. No one disagrees that the fornication which requires the prescribed punishment is sexual intercourse, even if there is no ejaculation."
Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, said, "When anyone sits between the four parts of her body and exerts himself (has intercourse), bathing becomes obligatory (for both)." (Related by Ahmad and Muslim.)
Sa'eed ibn al-Musayyab reported that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari said to 'Aishah, "I would like to ask you something, but I am embarrassed." She said, "Ask and don't be shy, for I am your mother." He asked about a man who had intercourse but did not ejaculate. She said, on the authority of the Prophet, "If the two circumcised parts encountered each other, ghusl is obligatory." This hadith is related by Ahmad and Malik with different wordings. There is no doubt that there must be insertion; if there is only touching, ghusl is not obligatory for either. All scholars agree on this point.
Maliks Muwatta Book 002, Hadith Number 073.
Section Obligation to Do Ghusl when the Two Circumcised Parts Meet.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Umar ibn al-Khattab and Uthman ibn Affan and A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, used to say, "When the circumcised part touches the circumcised part, ghusl is obligatory."
Maliks Muwatta Book 002, Hadith Number 074.
Section Obligation to Do Ghusl when the Two Circumcised Parts Meet.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Abu'n Nadr, the mawla of Umar ibn Abdullah that Abu Salamaibn Abdar-Rahman ibn Awf related that he had asked A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, what made ghusl obligatory. She said, "Do you know what you are like, Abu Salama? You are like a chick when it hears the cocks crowing and so crows with them. When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part, ghusl is obligatory."
Maliks Muwatta Book 002, Hadith Number 075.
Section Obligation to Do Ghusl when the Two Circumcised Parts Meet.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Abu Musa al-Ashari came to A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said to her, "The disagreement of the companions in a matter which I hate to bring before you has distressed me." She said, "What is that? You did not ask your mother about it, so ask me." He said, "A man penetrates his wife, but becomes listless and does not ejaculate. "She said, "When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part ghusl is obligatory." Abu Musa added, "I shall never ask anyone about this after you."
Maliks Muwatta Book 002, Hadith Number 077.
Section Obligation to Do Ghusl when the Two Circumcised Parts Meet.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Abdullah ibn Umar used to say, "When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part, ghusl is obligatory."
Malik Book 020, Hadith Number 161.
Section The Animal (Hady) to be Sacrificed for Intercourse in Ihram.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said that he heard Said ibn al-Musayyab asking a group of people, "What do you think about someone who has intercourse with his wife while he is in ihram?" and none of them answered him. Said said, "There is a man who has had intercourse with his wife while in ihram who has sent a message to Madina asking about it." Some of them said, "They should be kept apart until a future year," and Said ibn al-Musayyab said, "They should carry on and complete the hajj which they have spoiled, and then return home when they have finished. If another hajj comes upon them, they must do hajj and sacrifice an animal. They should go into ihram at the same place where they went into ihram for the hajj that they spoiled, and they should keep apart until they have finished their hajj."
Malik said, "They should both sacrifice an animal."
Malik said, about a man who had intercourse with his wife during hajj after he had come down from Arafa but before he had stoned the Jamra, "He must sacrifice an animal and do hajj again in another year. If, however, he had intercourse with his wife after he stoned the Jamra, he only has to do an umra and sacrifice an animal and he does not have to do another hajj."
Malik said, "What spoils a hajj or an umra and makes sacrificing an animal and repeating the hajj necessary is the meeting of the two circumcised parts, even if there is no emission. It is also made necessary by an emission if it is the result of bodily contact. I do not think that a man who remembers something and has an emission owes anything, and if a man were to kiss his wife and no emission were to occur from that, he would only have to sacrifice an animal. A woman in ihram who has intercourse with her husband several times during hajj or umra out of obedience to him only has to do another hajj and sacrifice an animal. That is if her husband has intercourse with her while she is doing hajj. If he has intercourse with her while she is doing umra, she must repeat the umra she has spoiled and sacrifice an animal."
Shahi Muslim Book 003, Hadith Number 0684.
Chapter Abrogation of (the command that) bath is obligatory(only) because of seminal emission and instead contact of the circumcised parts makes bath obligatory.
Abu Musa reported There cropped up a difference of opinion between a group of Muhajirs (Emigrants and a group of Ansar (Helpers) (and the point of dispute was) that the Ansar said The bath (because of sexual intercourse) becomes obligatory only-when the semen spurts out or ejaculates. But the Muhajirs said When a man has sexual intercourse (with the woman), a bath becomes obligatory (no matter whether or not there is seminal emission or ejaculation). Abu Musa said Well, I satisfy you on this (issue). He (Abu Musa, the narrator) said I got up (and went) to 'Aisha and sought her permission and it was granted, and I said to her O Mother, or Mother of the Faithful, I want to ask you about a matter on which I feel shy. She said Don't feel shy of asking me about a thing which you can ask your mother, who gave you birth, for I am too your mother. Upon this I said What makes a bath obligatory for a person? She replied You have come across one well informed! The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said When anyone sits amidst four parts (of the woman) and the circumcised parts touch each other a bath becomes obligatory.
And a bonus hadith found in Abu Dawud
Abu Dawud Book 036, Hadith Number 5251.
Chapter Not known.
Narated By Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.
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If you claim that Quranists became Quranists because of their lack of understanding Quran but do you as a Sunni Muslim who follow Hadiths promoting Female Circumcision.
Circumcision is not an obligation for females, but it is Mustahaba . And all the hadith about that talks about Ghusl and it doesn't say that female circumcision is an abligation .
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Book 3. Ghusl, The Complete Ablution.
Volume 001 Purification and Prayer. Fiqh 1.051A.Section Touching the two circumcised parts.
This refers to the penis and the vagina. If one's penis has entered his wife's vagina, ghusl is obligatory even if there was no ejaculation. Says Allah, "If you are sexually impure, purify yourselves." Commenting on the subject, ash-Shaifi says, "In the Arabic language, sexual impurity refers to any type of sexual intercourse, regardless of whether sperm was ejaculated or not. If someone says, 'So and so is sexually impure due to so and so,' it refers to any type of sexual intercourse between them, even if there was no ejaculation. No one disagrees that the fornication which requires the prescribed punishment is sexual intercourse, even if there is no ejaculation."The Hadith is about Ghusl .
Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, said, "When anyone sits between the four parts of her body and exerts himself (has intercourse), bathing becomes obligatory (for both)." (Related by Ahmad and Muslim.)
This too is about Ghusl .
Sa'eed ibn al-Musayyab reported that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari said to 'Aishah, "I would like to ask you something, but I am embarrassed." She said, "Ask and don't be shy, for I am your mother." He asked about a man who had intercourse but did not ejaculate. She said, on the authority of the Prophet, "If the two circumcised parts encountered each other, ghusl is obligatory." This hadith is related by Ahmad and Malik with different wordings. There is no doubt that there must be insertion; if there is only touching, ghusl is not obligatory for either. All scholars agree on this point.
Maliks Muwatta Book 002, Hadith Number 073.
The Hadith is about Ghusl and it shows that Circumcision was before .
Section Obligation to Do Ghusl when the Two Circumcised Parts Meet.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Umar ibn al-Khattab and Uthman ibn Affan and A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, used to say, "When the circumcised part touches the circumcised part, ghusl is obligatory."
Maliks Muwatta Book 002, Hadith Number 074.
The Hadith is about Ghusl .
Section Obligation to Do Ghusl when the Two Circumcised Parts Meet.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Abu'n Nadr, the mawla of Umar ibn Abdullah that Abu Salamaibn Abdar-Rahman ibn Awf related that he had asked A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, what made ghusl obligatory. She said, "Do you know what you are like, Abu Salama? You are like a chick when it hears the cocks crowing and so crows with them. When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part, ghusl is obligatory."
Maliks Muwatta Book 002, Hadith Number 075.
Section Obligation to Do Ghusl when the Two Circumcised Parts Meet.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Abu Musa al-Ashari came to A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said to her, "The disagreement of the companions in a matter which I hate to bring before you has distressed me." She said, "What is that? You did not ask your mother about it, so ask me." He said, "A man penetrates his wife, but becomes listless and does not ejaculate. "She said, "When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part ghusl is obligatory." Abu Musa added, "I shall never ask anyone about this after you."
All the ahaddeth are about Ghusl and show that Circumcision was before and it still today . where is your problem ?
Maliks Muwatta Book 002, Hadith Number 077.
Section Obligation to Do Ghusl when the Two Circumcised Parts Meet.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Abdullah ibn Umar used to say, "When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part, ghusl is obligatory."
The hadith is about Ghusl and it shows that Circumcision was before .
Malik Book 020, Hadith Number 161.
Section The Animal (Hady) to be Sacrificed for Intercourse in Ihram.
Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said that he heard Said ibn al-Musayyab asking a group of people, "What do you think about someone who has intercourse with his wife while he is in ihram?" and none of them answered him. Said said, "There is a man who has had intercourse with his wife while in ihram who has sent a message to Madina asking about it." Some of them said, "They should be kept apart until a future year," and Said ibn al-Musayyab said, "They should carry on and complete the hajj which they have spoiled, and then return home when they have finished. If another hajj comes upon them, they must do hajj and sacrifice an animal. They should go into ihram at the same place where they went into ihram for the hajj that they spoiled, and they should keep apart until they have finished their hajj."
Malik said, "They should both sacrifice an animal."
Malik said, about a man who had intercourse with his wife during hajj after he had come down from Arafa but before he had stoned the Jamra, "He must sacrifice an animal and do hajj again in another year. If, however, he had intercourse with his wife after he stoned the Jamra, he only has to do an umra and sacrifice an animal and he does not have to do another hajj."
Malik said, "What spoils a hajj or an umra and makes sacrificing an animal and repeating the hajj necessary is the meeting of the two circumcised parts, even if there is no emission. It is also made necessary by an emission if it is the result of bodily contact. I do not think that a man who remembers something and has an emission owes anything, and if a man were to kiss his wife and no emission were to occur from that, he would only have to sacrifice an animal. A woman in ihram who has intercourse with her husband several times during hajj or umra out of obedience to him only has to do another hajj and sacrifice an animal. That is if her husband has intercourse with her while she is doing hajj. If he has intercourse with her while she is doing umra, she must repeat the umra she has spoiled and sacrifice an animal."
This about Kaffara of Al-Hajj and it is justified from Quran
- The Hajj (pilgrimage) is (in) the well-known (lunar year) months (i.e. the 10th month, the 11th month and the first ten days of the 12th month of the Isl?mic calendar, i.e. two months and ten days). So whosoever intends to perform Hajj therein (by assuming Ihr?m), then he should not have sexual relations (with his wife), nor commit sin, nor dispute unjustly during the Hajj. And whatever good you do, (be sure) All?h knows it. And take a provision (with you) for the journey, but the best provision is At-Taqwa (piety, righteousness). So fear Me, O men of understanding!
If someone did these things in Hajj , he must do what came in Hadith and it is called Kaffara .
Shahi Muslim Book 003, Hadith Number 0684.
Chapter Abrogation of (the command that) bath is obligatory(only) because of seminal emission and instead contact of the circumcised parts makes bath obligatory.
Abu Musa reported There cropped up a difference of opinion between a group of Muhajirs (Emigrants and a group of Ansar (Helpers) (and the point of dispute was) that the Ansar said The bath (because of sexual intercourse) becomes obligatory only-when the semen spurts out or ejaculates. But the Muhajirs said When a man has sexual intercourse (with the woman), a bath becomes obligatory (no matter whether or not there is seminal emission or ejaculation). Abu Musa said Well, I satisfy you on this (issue). He (Abu Musa, the narrator) said I got up (and went) to 'Aisha and sought her permission and it was granted, and I said to her O Mother, or Mother of the Faithful, I want to ask you about a matter on which I feel shy. She said Don't feel shy of asking me about a thing which you can ask your mother, who gave you birth, for I am too your mother. Upon this I said What makes a bath obligatory for a person? She replied You have come across one well informed! The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said When anyone sits amidst four parts (of the woman) and the circumcised parts touch each other a bath becomes obligatory.
This is about Ghusl and its obligation when men touched the women in the sexual parts .
And a bonus hadith found in Abu Dawud
Abu Dawud Book 036, Hadith Number 5251.
Chapter Not known.
Narated By Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.
Yes, the hadith is only in Abu Dawud narration, but it shows that the prophet just told the woman to not circumcise the whole part of the hymens and as I said before that it is Mustahaba and it shows that women before were circumicized and it is an old habit , we inhert it from Ibrahim peace be upon him . I don't know why women today don't want to do that ?
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Just an observation, if you want to bring an Hadeeth , bring one Hadith and ask for explanation or whatever you want not bringing ten hadith in the same time, I'm not Jinn.
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The verse 187 from surah 2 is talking about sex in ramadan in the night because people have abandoned their wives in night without reason. And then the verse came to show them that night is for you(the believers )and their wives. And the verse abrogated itself without need to any other verse
Peace,
You know very well that only righteous people comply with God?s law/guidance i.e. Ramadan is performed by good people, Muslim, believers. Therefore, one can infer that some of these people were abstaining from sex during the fasting month because they were ordered to do so by the God . Otherwise they would not have done it. Majority of them violated though. It is that simple.
Your reasoning allows for believers doing things at random, violates God?s law/commandment, and are unreasonable. Do you realize that this is what you are preaching here? Please reflect on Allah?s law and guidance.
Allah is forgiving those who violated his command of no sex during Ramadan (old command which we have forgotten)
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Mazhar
All irrelevant and evasive talk exactly following line of Bukhari type people. Message is clear in the verse that Bukhari type majority of people do not consider Quraan in time and space as The Warner, and avoid it for living according to self enjoying gossips.
What do you mean to say by, Bukhari type people? that is beneath you, at least Bukhari did a great reserach work, according to tools and methods those were available those days, may be they are not up to the mark and donot fit the criterion of todays research methadology but you just can't under rate him that way or any scholar, who has done research inany field, you can agree or disagree, you can criticise his or her work, but to attach one's personality, depicts your own personality.
People today say that Jabar bin Haiyan is considered to be have carried out gibberish work to be called as father of chemistry, but can you say that type of people like Jabr who are irrelevant. -
And He was asked to tell people this, since Allah knew that there will be Bukharis and like of him who will be attributing all sorts of gossips with his name
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And this Qur'aan has been communicated to me so that I admonish/awaken you the living people with this and to admonish/awaken the one whom this Qur'aan reached". ;Allah told that he has to die. What will happen afterwards to guide people?
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The Qur'aan in Arabic, so that people may learn/get knowledge.
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The Qur'aan is a giver of glad tidings and a Warner/Awakener/Revivalist .Bukhari and company followers are always in time and space in large quantity/number
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Then/for reason most of them, after having seen/heard the Qur'aan, have inclined themselves to turn away/refrain from it and hence they do not listen .Chapter41
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After Qur'aan having reached in the hands of someone and he is yet roaming in streets and collecting gossip is dwarf of mind not scholarly. Let somebody negate the command of Allah in straight way, why to negate it by deceptive tactics.
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Peace!
Who was the first to submit?
Did the system of worshipping God change?
Do you believe that the Quran is complete?
What do you think the percentage for zakat is?
Does the hadiths/sunna prohibit anything outside of the Quran?
Was it a man who put together the "accepted" hadiths?
Why is shahada not mentioned in the Quran?
If you believe in the Quran being the truth then are you not accepting Muhammad as a prophet of God?
Do you think the people of the past were told to "bear witness" other then them having submit to God?
Do you have solid proof that the compiling of the Sunni hadiths about 200 years after the Quran were authenticated by God? How about by a living prophet?
What makes the Hadith compilation/authentication different than the bible compilation in Nicene?
Is there a chance you are following conjecture?
Do you feel strength in numbers?
Do you have comfort in being a majority?By looking outside of the truth you're asking men to shepherd you into faith, thus setting up partners and rejecting the Truth. When you're looking only at the uncorrupted and complete Truth you're having patience and putting your trust entirely in God.
God does not error, man is prone to error and evil.Simple question do you trust God alone, or do you need help in order to do that?
- These are the revelations of God, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which narrative after God and His revelations do they believe?
457 Woe to every sinful fabricator.
458 He hears the revelations of God being recited to him, then he persists arrogantly, as if he never heard them. Give him news of a painful retribution.
With following the Quran you are following %100 truth
- These are the revelations of God, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which narrative after God and His revelations do they believe?
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and by the way when I said look for the abrogate, I didn't mean go to a quranic website, they don't know what does this word mean in arabic .
The verse you posted has been addressed in the article which means you did not read it.
http//www.wikiislam.com/wiki/List_of_Abrogations
Here is a list of abrogations, at a glance I can tell that the so called "abrogations" are actually misunderstandings and verses being taken out of context.
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Peace,
You know very well that only righteous people comply with God?s law/guidance i.e. Ramadan is performed by good people, Muslim, believers. Therefore, one can infer that some of these people were abstaining from sex during the fasting month because they were ordered to do so by the God . Otherwise they would not have done it. Majority of them violated though. It is that simple.
Your reasoning allows for believers doing things at random, violates God?s law/commandment, and are unreasonable. Do you realize that this is what you are preaching here? Please reflect on Allah?s law and guidance.
Allah is forgiving those who violated his command of no sex during Ramadan (old command which we have forgotten)Look, if you can't read a verse, don't blame people . they are God's words and I wrote the verse. Go read and stop your ignorance .
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The verse you posted has been addressed in the article which means you did not read it.
http//www.wikiislam.com/wiki/List_of_Abrogations
Here is a list of abrogations, at a glance I can tell that the so called "abrogations" are actually misunderstandings and verses being taken out of context.No, sorry, I read from scientists of Fiqh and Quran, I don't read some misclineous on the net .
And by the way The website has a wrong idea about abrogations.
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No, sorry, I read from scientists of Fiqh and Quran, I don't read some misclineous on the net .
And by the way The website has a wrong idea about abrogations.
Then why in the world are you here?
The Quran says that there is no compulsion in religion.... but
this is the most compulsive dialogue I've ever seen in my life.You bash people for their beliefs, telling them they are ignorant and decieved,
and, if they use the Quran to refute your accusations, you simply twist the book
to mean what you want it to mean.There isn't a certificate or degree in the world which can elevate this kind of nonsensical
backbiting to the status of healthy religion or enlightenment.Why even bother, if you disagree?
You're not here because you care, man.You came here to crack skulls.
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No, sorry, I read from scientists of Fiqh and Quran, I don't read some misclineous on the net .
Its OK, Mr. "I only listen to the Pope".
Your missing out on a good article though.
And by the way The website has a wrong idea about abrogations.
Please explain.
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Then why in the world are you here?
The Quran says that there is no compulsion in religion.... but
this is the most compulsive dialogue I've ever seen in my life.You bash people for their beliefs, telling them they are ignorant and decieved,
and, if they use the Quran to refute your accusations, you simply twist the book
to mean what you want it to mean.There isn't a certificate or degree in the world which can elevate this kind of nonsensical
backbiting to the status of healthy religion or enlightenment.Why even bother, if you disagree?
You're not here because you care, man.You came here to crack skulls.
Well said.