Quran vs quranists
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That wasnt the issue though was it? No one said that the Wisdom WAS the Book, but it was IN The Book. twisting it now wont help you as we have all seen your way.
No, wrong, you did before, you said that wisdom is the book . and if it is as you said being in Quran means that it is withing the quran , so why God said "The book and the wisdom" ?
you quite sure about that? ;D
Yes, 100%
What IS your problem with me? YES I was Christian, I have already said countless times on various boards that I never believed Jesus was 'son of' or 'God' himslef. BUT yes I, as many others HERE, were misled in our beliefs and are making damn sure people like YOU dont do it again. OK? Furthermore, NOTHING you say makes me 'scared' little man, NOTHING, because I KNOW TRUTH and YOU will NEVER take that away from me even if you sit here avoiding questions and fluffing up your feathers of arrogance and deceit and claiming you 'won' till doomsday.
being before in a false lies, doesn't make you away from another lies . There is kind of people that he learn in thr third time , some don't .
Oh I am far from worried, I know people will read this thread and see for themselves that you have NO IDEA what the hell you are talking about!
So keep it like that .
You have answered NOTHING. you answer WITH a question while giving it 'hahaha you dont know Arabic, you dont have knowledge'
This is a lie, in this thread I have been too serious , I've answered all the questions and I've respected everyone's opinions and I didn't tell anybody that he does not know Arabic, you can check the thread from the beginning .
like you're some kind of great scholar in your 21 years of age! Grow up little man then gain some REAL knowledge from using your brain and mind instead of taking a load of claptrap as FACT. Then come and DEBATE in a proper manner with the grown ups.
Well, some people not like others .
It didnt scare me but it has certainly terrified YOU
Just show me where ? police
P.S The thread is about "The book and the wisdom" . Do you have anything about that ?
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One can't win against madness.
It's like talking to someone living in a dream state where reality is skewed. Hey, I'm talking about a shape that has three sides and pointy angles... Yes! That would be a square. Er, okay well what abo...loook out! there's a tornado! everyone move out of the way now! Run for your lives! What? That big fluffy cascade of rose petals? They'll just gently caress us and surround us with a bouquet of sweet fragrance. It wouldn't be so bad if this was deliberate, then we could just call it hypocrisy, idiocy, lies and pure stupidity. What would be worse is, if someone actually believed (to the detriment of all that's holy and sane) that anything that does not agree/compute with the established dream state is the opposite of what is being said thereby skewing reality and bringing about harmony and balance in this alternate dimension. That is pure madness and one can't play with madness, if Iron Maiden is anything to go by. Unless a crazed vorpal bunny from the vortex of terror descends and ravages this dreamstate from within ending the happy equilibrium...there's nothing we can do.Well, I'm not wondering that you can't back up your claims using one verse in Quran , can you ?
About this post, sorry to say that it is not about the subject and you always said to members back to the thread, now back to the subject in the thread .
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No, wrong, you did before, you said that wisdom is the book . and if it is as you said being in Quran means that it is withing the quran , so why God said "The book and the wisdom" ?
There are ample posts in the thread that have explained this with evidence. You have not refuted jack. Instead, we have the same tired repetitive bleating from your side.
I wonder if Th1 will now dig out Jack's post and try to reply to it
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Oh, I do. Want me to post it?
Btw., your ardent refusal to prove your self-congratulating statement that you answered "more than 10.000 questions" is a proof in itself. If it was true, you would proudly show us the "evidence".
No, I want from you to keep believing in this thing .
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Well, I'm not wondering that you can't back up your claims using one verse in Quran , can you ?
About this post, sorry to say that it is not about the subject and you always said to members back to the thread, now back to the subject in the thread .
You can stop your lying now, or you will stop it later... one way or the other.
It is the subject. The reason why this thread keeps on beating after being stabbed in the heart is because a frenzied doctor can't comprehend the writing on the wall. He keeps trying to revive the dead body incessantly with ineffectual techniques. This thread has now officially become a zombie thread. It must be killed with fire.
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There are ample posts in the thread that have explained this with evidence. You have not refuted jack. Instead, we have the same tired repetitive bleating from your side.
What with evidence ? you must be kidding , the only person here brought up a good verse is abdulquran and I explained to him the difference . You all of you just posting writings and opinions with no proof from quran. The one that you posted is not even about wisdom .
I wonder if Th1 will now dig out Jack's post and try to reply to it D
This is the post of your Jack
When the truth doesn't befit you...run for the hills! Learn something new everyday.
Is it about the subject ? No , is he giving us a new information ? No , so his post meant to be written nothing more nothing less . said jack said .
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You can stop your lying now, or you will stop it later... one way or the other.
It is the subject. The reason why this thread keeps on beating after being stabbed in the heart is because a frenzied doctor can't comprehend the writing on the wall. He keeps trying to revive the dead body incessantly with ineffectual techniques. This thread has now officially become a zombie thread. It must be killed with fire.Well, I've smelled your fear of this thread from the first post of you, so I'm not wondering closing it, it seems that people like you likes to hide the truth .
And if you're truthful and I'm the liar, just bring one verse disagree with what I said (the book and the wisdom) with justifying please .
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What with evidence ? you must be kidding , the only person here brought up a good verse is abdulquran and I explained to him the difference . You all of you just posting writings and opinions with no proof from quran. The one that you posted is not even about wisdom .
You, who can't even comprehend/understand what someone said, can't connect from one sentence or even post to the next...let alone concepts, is supposed to be "debating" the quran? You won't know evidence if it landed on your head and sang your favourite song at full blast.This is the post of your Jack
Oh dear maker! Now, that is hilarious.Well, I've smelled your fear of this thread from the first post of you, so I'm not wondering closing it, it seems that people like you likes to hide the truth .
Smelt my fear? What are you? A super reptile? Don't worry, this thread will remain a testament to your memory.And if you're truthful and I'm the liar, just bring one verse disagree with what I said (the book and the wisdom) with justifying please .
Was there someone else who was using your account for the past couple days while you were indisposed? Maybe you should catch up. -
No, wrong, you did before, you said that wisdom is the book . and if it is as you said being in Quran means that it is withing the quran , so why God said "The book and the wisdom" ?
"the Wisdom is IN the Book." my quote on page 3
I have explained as many possible ways as I can even to replacing the word Wallet with Book and Money with Wisdon, you still refuse to see it. Even thought there are many verses from Quran posted by your buddy Zulu showing that the BOOK is FULL OF WISDOM, (page 9) you refuse to see it.
being before in a false lies, doesn't make you away from another lies . There is kind of people that he learn in thr third time , some don't .
I agree, some never learn even if the truth is shoved right under their noses.So keep it like that .
I have no choice.This is a lie, in this thread I have been too serious , I've answered all the questions and I've respected everyone's opinions and I didn't tell anybody that he does not know Arabic, you can check the thread from the beginning .
Thread checked and agreed, you have only said ONCE that the person Layna quoted from a passage didnt know Arabic, but none of the posters here in this thread, mabruk! you have called people ignorant though.However, you have tried to tell English speakers that Wisdom does not mean Wisdom and that in certain verses wisdom means hadith and sunnah. Also that a word in Arabic translated as 'instruct you with IT' does not mean instruct you with IT but means to 'give lessons from IT', which is THE SAME AS INSTRUCT YOU WITH IT.   You command of English is NOT GOOD enough as we can see from this and many other posts of yours, you do NOT understand the words you are claiming mean something else. maybe you should teach in French ;D
Well, some people not like others .
true, some never grow up or learn anything because they are so blinded by their own importanceJust show me where ? police
dont worry, its plain to see by anyone reading.P.S The thread is about "The book and the wisdom" . Do you have anything about that ?
The title is Quran vs Quranists, do you have anything about that because for 14 pages now you have avoided any questions and cannot see that wisdom is IN QURAN
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You, who can't even comprehend/understand what someone said, can't connect from one sentence or even post to the next...
Yup, I'm going to use this and let me see your next post . I can't even comprehen/understand , so can you enlighten please (you're a moderator) so you must know lot of things about Quran ? so please explain to me the verses in the thread about "The book and the wisdom" ? and answer the question in the thread ? it seems that I can't understand .
let alone concepts, is supposed to be "debating" the quran? You won't know evidence if it landed on your head and sang your favourite song at full blast.
I don't have a favorite song. so let's cut this thing of and let me see your debating using Quran .
Oh dear maker! Now, that is hilarious.
Yes, it was hillarious, because I've showed what jack said which was nothing .
Smelt my fear? What are you? A super reptile? Don't worry, this thread will remain a testament to your memory.
To yours, for me it's just a new information for you . Wait the next thread and let's see what you got.
Was there someone else who was using your account for the past couple days while you were indisposed? Maybe you should catch up.
You are the moderator, you tell me .
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P.S The thread is about "The book and the wisdom" . Do you have anything about that ?
Reformer, you are right. These are two different things, but not for human beings, yes for donkeys, they cannot get wisdom from the books though they can carry the same.
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"the Wisdom is IN the Book." my quote on page 3
I have explained as many possible ways as I can even to replacing the word Wallet with Book and Money with Wisdon, you still refuse to see it. Even thought there are many verses from Quran posted by your buddy Zulu showing that the BOOK is FULL OF WISDOM, (page 9) you refuse to see it.Yes, I didn't deny this and I've explained that this kind of wisdom is differente from the others that came in the verses that spoke about the prophet and came after the book .
if it was the normal wisdom that you want to refer to, there is no need of writing it just after the book of Allah and before the Gospel and the Torah .
However, you have tried to tell English speakers that Wisdom does not mean Wisdom and that in certain verses wisdom means hadith and sunnah. Also that a word in Arabic translated as 'instruct you with IT' does not mean instruct you with IT but means to 'give lessons from IT', which is THE SAME AS INSTRUCT YOU WITH IT. You command of English is NOT GOOD enough as we can see from this and many other posts of yours, you do NOT understand the words you are claiming mean something else. maybe you should teach in French ;D
Well, let me bring to you the latest news for you , the words are in arabic not an english, so they found the word, they translated it , without even give you the meaning. Are you saying that the word the God said are an english ? or are you saying that the translation of the words in english is better than the words in Arabic ? , don't answer, I already knew the answer + this is not the subject .
true, some never grow up or learn anything because they are so blinded by their own importance
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dont worry, its plain to see by anyone reading.
You didn't answer .
The title is Quran vs Quranists, do you have anything about that because for 14 pages now you have avoided any questions and cannot see that wisdom is IN QURAN
The title is "Quran vs quranists" , the subject "the book and the wisdom " . I didn't avoid any questions, and people didn't answer the first questions of mine in the thread . So keep lying .
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Reformer, you are right. These are two different things, but not for human beings, yes for donkeys, they cannot get wisdom from the books though they can carry the same.
No one can deny that Quran has his own wisdom that we can extract it, but The wisdom that came alone is totally not what you think . Let me remind you that they found the word, they translated it without even compare with the same words in Quran . So ask this question / God described Quran by a lot of description one of them is wisdom, so why this description is the only one that came alone gathered with the books that God had sent ?
ah Edit to add P.S If you're calling people donkeys, let me remind you by this verse .
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the words are in arabic not an english, so they found the word, they translated it , without even give you the meaning.
Are you saying it is impossible to translate the word hikma? ???
And how can you judge the quality of the translation anyway? In order to be able to do that, you need to know the language the word has been translated into very well. And your understanding of English is quite faulty.
My dictionary lists about two pages of meanings for the rood ha-ka-mim and related words. Are you telling me those are all wrong, and you know better? How so? confused
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Are you saying it is impossible to translate the word hikma? ???
And how can you judge the quality of the translation anyway? In order to be able to do that, you need to know the language the word has been translated into very well. And your understanding of English is quite faulty.
My dictionary lists about two pages of meanings for the rood ha-ka-mim and related words. Are you telling me those are all wrong, and you know better? How so? confusedThere is a difference between translting the word and giving you the meaning of the word .
Is the translators gives you the meanings of the words ? They found "HiKMA" they translated it "Wisdom" they found "HOKMA" they translated it "Wisdom" are they the same ? the answer is No .
Now please back to the topic, if you're going to write about the thread, it's ok, if you're not , sorry I'm not going to respond .
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Yes, I didn't deny this and I've explained that this kind of wisdom is differente from the others that came in the verses that spoke about the prophet and came after the book .
if it was the normal wisdom that you want to refer to, there is no need of writing it just after the book of Allah and before the Gospel and the Torah .
You have had that explained over many pages, either you didnt read it or didnt understand it. go read again.Well, let me bring to you the latest news for you , the words are in arabic not an english, so they found the word, they translated it , without even give you the meaning. Are you saying that the word the God said are an english ? or are you saying that the translation of the words in english is better than the words in Arabic ? , don't answer, I already knew the answer + this is not the subject .
Again you totally missed what I said. It has nothing to do with the Arabic so dont try that one, it is in YOUR interpretation that the problem lies. You said 'instruct with it' was not right and it means 'give lessons with it' WHICH IS THE SAME. Instruct = give lessons. You got it now?
No one has avoided question here only you. People have been answering your questions now for 15 pages and you still claim they havent because they havent AGREED with your view, you have not answered any questions and rather go off asking other questions that are off topic, then complain others are off topic -
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Reformer, you are right. These are two different things, but not for human beings, yes for donkeys, they cannot get wisdom from the books though they can carry the same.No one can deny that Quran has his own wisdom that we can extract it, but The wisdom that came alone is totally not what you think . Let me remind you that they found the word, they translated it without even compare with the same words in Quran . So ask this question / God described Quran by a lot of description one of them is wisdom, so why this description is the only one that came alone gathered with the books that God had sent ?
ah Edit to add P.S If you're calling people donkeys, let me remind you by this verse .
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What I quoted was from Qur'aan, an example is given of people who are like donkeys carrying load of books. The contents of Qur'aan give wisdom, indepth knowledge of ultimate realities, it is its peculiar quality
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Swear by the Grand Qur'aan that contains and grants insight to the invisible/hidden/secreted/infolded matters/things/pearls of wisdom ,Chapter36
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Yup, I'm going to use this and let me see your next post . I can't even comprehen/understand , so can you enlighten please (you're a moderator) so you must know lot of things about Quran ? so please explain to me the verses in the thread about "The book and the wisdom" ? and answer the question in the thread ? it seems that I can't understand .
What does the first sentence even mean? Babelfish would surely be more coherent in it's translation, so like Ayisha (bless her kind heart, who has summarised for you again) said, why don't you post in a language that you are comfortable in instead of overreaching in an unfamiliar language and falsely claiming you've trumped others? It's either because you have a nefarious agenda which doesn't require you to actually comprehend or learn from others, but to skim-reply with your programmed responses. Or that you truly believe that you're a master of the language, can roll with all the big boys, are one with the force... in your head. Reality disagrees.I don't have a favorite song. so let's cut this thing of and let me see your debating using Quran .
Cut what thing off? Oooh gasp you can't mean...the song? No problem. Okay why don't I nutshell it tooWisdom in the quran refers to wisdom in the quran...
Th1 No! Not the verses that say "and wisdom".
Why?
Th1 Because the "and" means it can't be the quran.
(verse posted 2231)
Th1 It doesn't mean instruct, it means give lessons...(I must add duh! here for effect)
Uh...
Th1 haha I trumped you ALL!
<it continues in smug mode>
(sorry aq, I just gotta borrow your responses)
'laa tattakhidhoo AYAT ALLAHI huzuwan', do you know that ayaat of allah is everything in the world , one of them is Quran which contains verses ?
Th1 Yes! Ayat are not just verses.
So when God puts both together in a verse and claims that he instructs you with IT, it is obviously referring to both things in one together (two sides of a coin)?
Th1 But that is just not so, you see "it fits because the word is for Quran not for HIKMA"
(Dear Lord, give me strength, make him use reasoning, I don't care if it bends Your rules!) No, it means it connects the concepts together...there is the evidence in the verses right there!
Th1 Further, "He mentioned that the prophet was giving the Book and the Hikma, because Quran contains stories where we can understand and comprehend the "Al-ITHA"
Your "because" is stupid because we have a verse where both are used as ONE! This is so you can SEE what it means...the quran being a whole book that you take as a whole with all the verses and put them all together to get a clearer picture.
Th1 "HIKMA is not for that purposes and he let the prophet to show its purposes from their deeds and their sayings and their reports."
Er, evidence?
Th1 'cause I said so.
The quran shows us how wisdom is used, pointing to the scripture/quran time and time again (my post with the verse in it remember? the one you didn't swear by a raccoon was also one).
Th1 Nope, I trump you ALL.This is your "counter attack". It's pathetic. Blame your language skills, and you might save some dignity. You CANNOT bring evidence for what you want it to mean from the quran because it is already confirming itself as the vessel through which it's wisdom is got...all you can say to this quranic evidence is...nothing, except for idiotic rebuttals which don't refute, which is essentially the same as nothing. So yes, you have not brought any proof because you can't, the quran will NOT help you when you want to twist it and make it lie. God gave us an impeccable and precise book, which will negate the lies and confirm the truth. Only those that seek the truth and are free of bias will get fruitful results 5577-79.
Yes, it was hillarious, because I've showed what jack said which was nothing .
It is hilarious, because when someone says something like "you can't prove jack", it means you can't prove anything. Not the poster Jack.To yours, for me it's just a new information for you . Wait the next thread and let's see what you got.
Once again, the first part of your volley is gibberish, as for the second...I'm doing just fine on this one thanks.
You are the moderator, you tell me .
I have been telling you, can't help it if you don't get it.