Quran vs quranists
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No, wrong, you did before, you said that wisdom is the book . and if it is as you said being in Quran means that it is withing the quran , so why God said "The book and the wisdom" ?
"the Wisdom is IN the Book." my quote on page 3
I have explained as many possible ways as I can even to replacing the word Wallet with Book and Money with Wisdon, you still refuse to see it. Even thought there are many verses from Quran posted by your buddy Zulu showing that the BOOK is FULL OF WISDOM, (page 9) you refuse to see it.
being before in a false lies, doesn't make you away from another lies . There is kind of people that he learn in thr third time , some don't .
I agree, some never learn even if the truth is shoved right under their noses.So keep it like that .
I have no choice.This is a lie, in this thread I have been too serious , I've answered all the questions and I've respected everyone's opinions and I didn't tell anybody that he does not know Arabic, you can check the thread from the beginning .
Thread checked and agreed, you have only said ONCE that the person Layna quoted from a passage didnt know Arabic, but none of the posters here in this thread, mabruk! you have called people ignorant though.However, you have tried to tell English speakers that Wisdom does not mean Wisdom and that in certain verses wisdom means hadith and sunnah. Also that a word in Arabic translated as 'instruct you with IT' does not mean instruct you with IT but means to 'give lessons from IT', which is THE SAME AS INSTRUCT YOU WITH IT.   You command of English is NOT GOOD enough as we can see from this and many other posts of yours, you do NOT understand the words you are claiming mean something else. maybe you should teach in French ;D
Well, some people not like others .
true, some never grow up or learn anything because they are so blinded by their own importanceJust show me where ? police
dont worry, its plain to see by anyone reading.P.S The thread is about "The book and the wisdom" . Do you have anything about that ?
The title is Quran vs Quranists, do you have anything about that because for 14 pages now you have avoided any questions and cannot see that wisdom is IN QURAN
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You, who can't even comprehend/understand what someone said, can't connect from one sentence or even post to the next...
Yup, I'm going to use this and let me see your next post . I can't even comprehen/understand , so can you enlighten please (you're a moderator) so you must know lot of things about Quran ? so please explain to me the verses in the thread about "The book and the wisdom" ? and answer the question in the thread ? it seems that I can't understand .
let alone concepts, is supposed to be "debating" the quran? You won't know evidence if it landed on your head and sang your favourite song at full blast.
I don't have a favorite song. so let's cut this thing of and let me see your debating using Quran .
Oh dear maker! Now, that is hilarious.
Yes, it was hillarious, because I've showed what jack said which was nothing .
Smelt my fear? What are you? A super reptile? Don't worry, this thread will remain a testament to your memory.
To yours, for me it's just a new information for you . Wait the next thread and let's see what you got.
Was there someone else who was using your account for the past couple days while you were indisposed? Maybe you should catch up.
You are the moderator, you tell me .
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P.S The thread is about "The book and the wisdom" . Do you have anything about that ?
Reformer, you are right. These are two different things, but not for human beings, yes for donkeys, they cannot get wisdom from the books though they can carry the same.
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"the Wisdom is IN the Book." my quote on page 3
I have explained as many possible ways as I can even to replacing the word Wallet with Book and Money with Wisdon, you still refuse to see it. Even thought there are many verses from Quran posted by your buddy Zulu showing that the BOOK is FULL OF WISDOM, (page 9) you refuse to see it.Yes, I didn't deny this and I've explained that this kind of wisdom is differente from the others that came in the verses that spoke about the prophet and came after the book .
if it was the normal wisdom that you want to refer to, there is no need of writing it just after the book of Allah and before the Gospel and the Torah .
However, you have tried to tell English speakers that Wisdom does not mean Wisdom and that in certain verses wisdom means hadith and sunnah. Also that a word in Arabic translated as 'instruct you with IT' does not mean instruct you with IT but means to 'give lessons from IT', which is THE SAME AS INSTRUCT YOU WITH IT. You command of English is NOT GOOD enough as we can see from this and many other posts of yours, you do NOT understand the words you are claiming mean something else. maybe you should teach in French ;D
Well, let me bring to you the latest news for you , the words are in arabic not an english, so they found the word, they translated it , without even give you the meaning. Are you saying that the word the God said are an english ? or are you saying that the translation of the words in english is better than the words in Arabic ? , don't answer, I already knew the answer + this is not the subject .
true, some never grow up or learn anything because they are so blinded by their own importance
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dont worry, its plain to see by anyone reading.
You didn't answer .
The title is Quran vs Quranists, do you have anything about that because for 14 pages now you have avoided any questions and cannot see that wisdom is IN QURAN
The title is "Quran vs quranists" , the subject "the book and the wisdom " . I didn't avoid any questions, and people didn't answer the first questions of mine in the thread . So keep lying .
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Reformer, you are right. These are two different things, but not for human beings, yes for donkeys, they cannot get wisdom from the books though they can carry the same.
No one can deny that Quran has his own wisdom that we can extract it, but The wisdom that came alone is totally not what you think . Let me remind you that they found the word, they translated it without even compare with the same words in Quran . So ask this question / God described Quran by a lot of description one of them is wisdom, so why this description is the only one that came alone gathered with the books that God had sent ?
ah Edit to add P.S If you're calling people donkeys, let me remind you by this verse .
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the words are in arabic not an english, so they found the word, they translated it , without even give you the meaning.
Are you saying it is impossible to translate the word hikma? ???
And how can you judge the quality of the translation anyway? In order to be able to do that, you need to know the language the word has been translated into very well. And your understanding of English is quite faulty.
My dictionary lists about two pages of meanings for the rood ha-ka-mim and related words. Are you telling me those are all wrong, and you know better? How so? confused
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Are you saying it is impossible to translate the word hikma? ???
And how can you judge the quality of the translation anyway? In order to be able to do that, you need to know the language the word has been translated into very well. And your understanding of English is quite faulty.
My dictionary lists about two pages of meanings for the rood ha-ka-mim and related words. Are you telling me those are all wrong, and you know better? How so? confusedThere is a difference between translting the word and giving you the meaning of the word .
Is the translators gives you the meanings of the words ? They found "HiKMA" they translated it "Wisdom" they found "HOKMA" they translated it "Wisdom" are they the same ? the answer is No .
Now please back to the topic, if you're going to write about the thread, it's ok, if you're not , sorry I'm not going to respond .
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Yes, I didn't deny this and I've explained that this kind of wisdom is differente from the others that came in the verses that spoke about the prophet and came after the book .
if it was the normal wisdom that you want to refer to, there is no need of writing it just after the book of Allah and before the Gospel and the Torah .
You have had that explained over many pages, either you didnt read it or didnt understand it. go read again.Well, let me bring to you the latest news for you , the words are in arabic not an english, so they found the word, they translated it , without even give you the meaning. Are you saying that the word the God said are an english ? or are you saying that the translation of the words in english is better than the words in Arabic ? , don't answer, I already knew the answer + this is not the subject .
Again you totally missed what I said. It has nothing to do with the Arabic so dont try that one, it is in YOUR interpretation that the problem lies. You said 'instruct with it' was not right and it means 'give lessons with it' WHICH IS THE SAME. Instruct = give lessons. You got it now?
No one has avoided question here only you. People have been answering your questions now for 15 pages and you still claim they havent because they havent AGREED with your view, you have not answered any questions and rather go off asking other questions that are off topic, then complain others are off topic -
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Reformer, you are right. These are two different things, but not for human beings, yes for donkeys, they cannot get wisdom from the books though they can carry the same.No one can deny that Quran has his own wisdom that we can extract it, but The wisdom that came alone is totally not what you think . Let me remind you that they found the word, they translated it without even compare with the same words in Quran . So ask this question / God described Quran by a lot of description one of them is wisdom, so why this description is the only one that came alone gathered with the books that God had sent ?
ah Edit to add P.S If you're calling people donkeys, let me remind you by this verse .
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What I quoted was from Qur'aan, an example is given of people who are like donkeys carrying load of books. The contents of Qur'aan give wisdom, indepth knowledge of ultimate realities, it is its peculiar quality
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Swear by the Grand Qur'aan that contains and grants insight to the invisible/hidden/secreted/infolded matters/things/pearls of wisdom ,Chapter36
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Yup, I'm going to use this and let me see your next post . I can't even comprehen/understand , so can you enlighten please (you're a moderator) so you must know lot of things about Quran ? so please explain to me the verses in the thread about "The book and the wisdom" ? and answer the question in the thread ? it seems that I can't understand .
What does the first sentence even mean? Babelfish would surely be more coherent in it's translation, so like Ayisha (bless her kind heart, who has summarised for you again) said, why don't you post in a language that you are comfortable in instead of overreaching in an unfamiliar language and falsely claiming you've trumped others? It's either because you have a nefarious agenda which doesn't require you to actually comprehend or learn from others, but to skim-reply with your programmed responses. Or that you truly believe that you're a master of the language, can roll with all the big boys, are one with the force... in your head. Reality disagrees.I don't have a favorite song. so let's cut this thing of and let me see your debating using Quran .
Cut what thing off? Oooh gasp you can't mean...the song? No problem. Okay why don't I nutshell it tooWisdom in the quran refers to wisdom in the quran...
Th1 No! Not the verses that say "and wisdom".
Why?
Th1 Because the "and" means it can't be the quran.
(verse posted 2231)
Th1 It doesn't mean instruct, it means give lessons...(I must add duh! here for effect)
Uh...
Th1 haha I trumped you ALL!
<it continues in smug mode>
(sorry aq, I just gotta borrow your responses)
'laa tattakhidhoo AYAT ALLAHI huzuwan', do you know that ayaat of allah is everything in the world , one of them is Quran which contains verses ?
Th1 Yes! Ayat are not just verses.
So when God puts both together in a verse and claims that he instructs you with IT, it is obviously referring to both things in one together (two sides of a coin)?
Th1 But that is just not so, you see "it fits because the word is for Quran not for HIKMA"
(Dear Lord, give me strength, make him use reasoning, I don't care if it bends Your rules!) No, it means it connects the concepts together...there is the evidence in the verses right there!
Th1 Further, "He mentioned that the prophet was giving the Book and the Hikma, because Quran contains stories where we can understand and comprehend the "Al-ITHA"
Your "because" is stupid because we have a verse where both are used as ONE! This is so you can SEE what it means...the quran being a whole book that you take as a whole with all the verses and put them all together to get a clearer picture.
Th1 "HIKMA is not for that purposes and he let the prophet to show its purposes from their deeds and their sayings and their reports."
Er, evidence?
Th1 'cause I said so.
The quran shows us how wisdom is used, pointing to the scripture/quran time and time again (my post with the verse in it remember? the one you didn't swear by a raccoon was also one).
Th1 Nope, I trump you ALL.This is your "counter attack". It's pathetic. Blame your language skills, and you might save some dignity. You CANNOT bring evidence for what you want it to mean from the quran because it is already confirming itself as the vessel through which it's wisdom is got...all you can say to this quranic evidence is...nothing, except for idiotic rebuttals which don't refute, which is essentially the same as nothing. So yes, you have not brought any proof because you can't, the quran will NOT help you when you want to twist it and make it lie. God gave us an impeccable and precise book, which will negate the lies and confirm the truth. Only those that seek the truth and are free of bias will get fruitful results 5577-79.
Yes, it was hillarious, because I've showed what jack said which was nothing .
It is hilarious, because when someone says something like "you can't prove jack", it means you can't prove anything. Not the poster Jack.To yours, for me it's just a new information for you . Wait the next thread and let's see what you got.
Once again, the first part of your volley is gibberish, as for the second...I'm doing just fine on this one thanks.
You are the moderator, you tell me .
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Who? Which translators? Which dictionary?
You tell me, I'm not using Quran in english, you are using Quran in english .
Mine, as I said, gives various meanings. So how can you claim "they translate it so and so"? ???
Yes, every word there in the translation means wisdom , and some verses are not even mentioned wisdom .
Look at this 1912 "O John, you shall uphold the scripture, strongly." We endowed him with wisdom, even in his youth.
the word in this verse is not wisdom .
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You have had that explained over many pages, either you didnt read it or didnt understand it. go read again.
Again you totally missed what I said. It has nothing to do with the Arabic so dont try that one, it is in YOUR interpretation that the problem lies. You said 'instruct with it' was not right and it means 'give lessons with it' WHICH IS THE SAME. Instruct = give lessons. You got it now?
No one has avoided question here only you. People have been answering your questions now for 15 pages and you still claim they havent because they havent AGREED with your view, you have not answered any questions and rather go off asking other questions that are off topic, then complain others are off topicNo one answered my questions They are in the thread and no one answered them . don't lie .
The only person here that spoke good in this thread is abdulquran and it is the only person here understand the thread, you and your kind from savage and leyna , just bla bla bla bla bla in your all posts , just to kill the thread .
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You tell me, I'm not using Quran in english, you are using Quran in english .
I am not talking about Qur'an. I was talking about translations and dictionaries.
You said they are all wrong, I was asking you how you can come to that conclusion when you
a) don't even know which dictionary I'm talking about and
b) don't know English (or another language) well enough in order to be able to evaluate a particular translation?Now could you please answer those questions instead of dancing around them? Thanks.
peace
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The only person here that spoke good in this thread is abdulquran and it is the only person here understand the thread, you and your kind from savage and leyna , just bla bla bla bla bla in your all posts , just to kill the thread .
Lol, if aq had the time and inclination to keep posting to Th1, he'd be crying his praises the same way he does ours. You know not what you speak of Th1, and that is well established.
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Wisdom in the quran refers to wisdom in the quran...
Th1 No! Not the verses that say "and wisdom".
Why?
Th1 Because the "and" means it can't be the quran.
(verse posted 2231)If you said me and Ayisha visited the market, is that mean that me is Ayisha are the same person?
Th1 It doesn't mean instruct, it means give lessons...(I must add duh! here for effect)
Uh...
Th1 haha I trumped you ALL!
<it continues in smug mode>Instruct is like taking orders from your boss or from a book in a city you don't know it . So give lessons is the right words here.
(sorry aq, I just gotta borrow your responses)
'laa tattakhidhoo AYAT ALLAHI huzuwan', do you know that ayaat of allah is everything in the world , one of them is Quran which contains verses ?Hahaha, this is from my post .
Th1 Yes! Ayat are not just verses.
es, Ayat are not just verses and the post above is mine . )
So when God puts both together in a verse and claims that he instructs you with IT, it is obviously referring to both things in one together (two sides of a coin)?
Th1 But that is just not so, you see "it fits because the word is for Quran not for HIKMA"I said it fits because of the word wasn't for Quran, and you can check out , it's with proof .
(Dear Lord, give me strength, make him use reasoning, I don't care if it bends Your rules!) No, it means it connects the concepts together...there is the evidence in the verses right there!
Th1 Further, "He mentioned that the prophet was giving the Book and the Hikma, because Quran contains stories where we can understand and comprehend the "Al-ITHA"
Your "because" is stupid because we have a verse where both are used as ONE! This is so you can SEE what it means...the quran being a whole book that you take as a whole with all the verses and put them all together to get a clearer picture.This is your speech, bring my posts not write stories from your mind .
Th1 "HIKMA is not for that purposes and he let the prophet to show its purposes from their deeds and their sayings and their reports."
Er, evidence?
Th1 'cause I said so.Liar, I gave evidence .I said why would God said teaching them in another verse in the thread if he doesn't mean teaching them by deeds and sayings and reports , go figure
The quran shows us how wisdom is used, pointing to the scripture/quran time and time again (my post with the verse in it remember? the one you didn't swear by a raccoon was also one).
Th1 Nope, I trump you ALL.Liar, you have admitted before that Wisdom and scripture are two different things now you back up your claims and saying that they are one , what a joke , just prove it from Quran that they are the same . and about "I trump you all" is your bla bla bla I didn't say that and it is your way of lying .
This is your "counter attack". It's pathetic. Blame your language skills, and you might save some dignity. You CANNOT bring evidence for what you want it to mean from the quran because it is already confirming itself as the vessel through which it's wisdom is got...all you can say to this quranic evidence is...nothing, except for idiotic rebuttals which don't refute, which is essentially the same as nothing. So yes, you have not brought any proof because you can't, the quran will NOT help you when you want to twist it and make it lie. God gave us an impeccable and precise book, which will negate the lies and confirm the truth. Only those that seek the truth and are free of bias will get fruitful results 5577-79.
Whatever if that is going to make you happy.
It is hilarious, because when someone says something like "you can't prove jack", it means you can't prove anything. Not the poster Jack.
Another lie and running of the right subject, you said I didn't answer Jack which a moderator, but in fact he said nothing in his posts other than write a puzzle and run . About "you can't prove jack" I didn't say it , which is lie from you .
Once again, the first part of your volley is gibberish, as for the second...I'm doing just fine on this one thanks.
No, you're not doing fine ..you're just here to speak just for avoiding the subject and hide the truth . your tricks are cheap .
I have been telling you, can't help it if you don't get it.
I don't know but I can't guess , but being you or another person , maybe.
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Dear God help me understand WHY I am carrying on instead of finishing my year end accounts hail
If you said me and Ayisha visited the market, is that mean that me is Ayisha are the same person?
If I said Ayisha has a bag from the market full of onions then I said I brought back the bag AND the onions, does it mean I have some different onions to the ones IN the bag?I do not have the energy to read the rest, just going to stick my head in the oven '(
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I am not talking about Qur'an. I was talking about translations and dictionaries.
What I said in my post ? I said that they found the word, they translated the word, so talking about Quran .
I'm going to bring all the translations of Quran, about the word wisdom . wait and let's see have they give you the meaning or just they translated the word ?
You said they are all wrong, I was asking you how you can come to that conclusion when you
I didn't say they are all wrong, you said are you saying that they are all wron ; I said that they translated the word because they have found it like that without even tried to look for the meanings.
a) don't even know which dictionary I'm talking about and
I'm not talking about any dictionary neither you, we are talking about Quran and the words in it. are they translated with their meanings or just the words alone .
b) don't know English (or another language) well enough in order to be able to evaluate a particular translation?
Ah, really are you living with me ? I speak 4 languages just to aware you .
Now could you please answer those questions instead of dancing around them? Thanks.
I've answer yours , now answer mine in the thread .
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Lol, if aq had the time and inclination to keep posting to Th1, he'd be crying his praises the same way he does ours. You know not what you speak of Th1, and that is well established.
Why would I cry ? if his aim is to learn and understand, my pleasure. But if his aim (like yours) is to hide the thread and just waste my time , I must ignore it as God ordered us to avoid the "Sufaha'a".
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Dear God help me understand WHY I am carrying on instead of finishing my year end accounts hail
If I said Ayisha has a bag from the market full of onions then I said I brought back the bag AND the onions, does it mean I have some different onions to the ones IN the bag?Hahah, is God said that Quran is full of Wisdom ?
OK , I'll use your example Ayisha has a bag from the market full of onions, but what about me, I have a bag from the market full of tomatos . me and Ayisha are two differents person , Quran and the wisdom are two differents things.
Your example is wrong because God didn't say that Quran is full of wisdom, but he described Quran by wisdom , are you going to describe your bag by onions ? hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh rotfl
I do not have the energy to read the rest, just going to stick my head in the oven '(
Agreed added Ignorance .