What is الفاحشة "Fahisha" ?

[unknownuser]

Dear friends,

"TO DISTORT THE IDEOLOGY". Al-Zani is the one who "distorts, changes, twists, alters shape, bends, forces a change into" the divine ideology. Al-Zania can be a female, or a group, community, gang (Jama'at), as any Jama'at in Arabic is a "feminine" and has a 't' of 'tanees' in the end.

I would very much like to read friends' opinions.

God bless you.

salaam brother, where can I find more about that interesting understanding, perhaps you can provide any reference from quran or any classical dictionary to back up this. thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[Mazhar]

I have already put a question Where is the differentiation between ZINA and RAPE?

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And you people do not approach nearing the mutually consented sexual intercourse;

Here it is not said that "do not perform Zina", but since it will factually take place only when man and woman are motivated from within and they willingly with heartfelt desire approach it. In case of rape one of the two parties neither has the desire nor he or she approaches for nearness/its performance. Rape is done by one person upon another person, a man raping a woman, or a woman raping a man, with or without the help of others.

[SarahY]

Peace all,

I think we can all be well mannered to each other without arguing about peoples personalities or character.

I have some questions for aurangzaib

You said Zina Bil Jabr and Zina bil Raza. Both kinds of acts of Zina are being committed in our daily lives. There should also have been two different punishments for them respectively. There are none.

Please explain the terms, bil jabr by force? and bil raza? Im assuming you mean ridha, or consent?

To be honest I am not sure about the differentiation or even if there is. If an act was forced upon you why would the victim be punished? And it would depend on many things. e.g. someone could say I didnt really want it but I did it anyway I wouldnt consider it as jabr.

Punishment for alzani is the lashes. If it's forced upon such as rape, the victim isnt the zani but the oppressor would be?? Wouldnt that make sense because its by force? Is rape just zina or is it more than that? inheriting women against their will is a fahisha 419 though is this exclusive to wives or would it include all women? Anyway Im not sure about this matter.

I agree that a zani and a mushrik have equivalents, as the zani takes up their desire over God though once they stop repent and amend ways it would be different. that does not necessarily mean distort the quranic ideology I believe zina is in relation to fornication/adultery

New meanings could be found but everything needs verification. Have you any examples of distortion of quranic ideology?

Also why do you call it traditional jewish tradition?

[Wakas]

rape and AQ
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598245.msg204213#msg204213

[SarahY]

rape and AQ
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598245.msg204213#msg204213

interesting thoughts..

aurangzaib what do you think of it? the verse 3358 talks about those who harm the believers, it's an ithm and buhtanan.. then later 3360 they should be banish or (3361) killed. So if a person rapes.. that's a clear harm, makes sense to me.

[aurangzaib]

All reflections of friends are interesting for me and I hold them in high esteem. The topic deals with basic convictions and cannot easily reach its target without a lot of discussion and debate.
Right now, I reproduce my post to Sarah here, as I believe it did not go through to her due to some error in the link that was supposed to be addressed by me.
Sorry Sarah, this reply had to reach you that's why I take the liberty to reprint it here. Please feel free all, to deliberate and reflect. Of course without adopting the extremist Mulla's role. I respect you all.

Salaams to you Sarah,

No need at all to be sorry. We all make mistakes of this minute nature. I make bigger ones.
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Well everyone is accountable for their own behaviour the harassing attitudes aren?t nice or acceptable. I guess people get emotional about what they believe in. and as an individual you can shine by showing a greater example and being the better one.

The only point of worry is that these Freeminders claim to be Quranists. What attitude and what manners of Quranists they are showing to the new entrants in their Blog, and to the world?

Your Quote
People?s ridicule happens everywhere unfortunately not just on the free-minds.

There are many many webs and blogs where decency prevails. And they are not only Muslim Blogs, but Christian Blogs too. www.aastana.com is one of them. Again, at least, Quranists never have to be sharp of tongues, abusive and insulting, as it is totally against the tenets of Quran.

There are scholars at www.aastana.com whose mission is to complete the great task of exploration and discovery of genuine Quranic interpretations. This task was started around 150 years ago, with the worldwide "Back to Quran" movement. They are trying to clean up the element of myth, miracles, dogmas, irrationalities and rituals of worship. They believe that Quran is dealing with values and ideals which, when put into practice by a state machinery, affords absolute PEACE to the humanity, and a life free from fear, want, exploitation, tyranny and hunger. Quran is a Constitution for Humanity that must be enforced by a Quranic Elite in order to be effective. For this purpose it requires a massive political movement.

Nobody is required to agree with them. People get furious at them. They reply with Quranic and linguistic argumentation. No sharp words or filthy language is ever used. The message is spreading fast.

Yes, Ashaab al-Feel, means, according to lexicons, the pompous ones, the ones who have high claims, who speak loudly and boast, but are in reality fools. Feel means to make loud and pompous claims. The myth of "an army of elephants" travelling in the desert and mountains, all the way from Yemen to Macca, and the other myth of swarms of small birds, holding stones in their beaks, etc. etc. have been authentically eliminated. And you must have noted rationality and logic brought in, without violating any linguistic rules.
Now you can present this translation before this scientifically advanced, logical and intellectual world. And they will not laugh at you. And that alone is not the sole purpose. It is believed with reason that before Jews infiltrated and corrupted the meanings, Quran was understood in this very purely rational way.

It was the Banu Umayyad and Banu Abbas tyrants who, with their vested interests, had managed to do away with the genuine interpretations of the great Quran. For their ulterior motives, they had employed and sponsored the Jewish scholars. They could not go along with the Quranic tenets with their autocratic dynastic rule. So they transformed its constitution radically.

Another translation is introduced to you in keeping with the most recent research

SURA 111

1. All powers (Yadaa) of instigator of the fire of enmity (Abi lahabin) have been smashed (tabbat) and perished is he (tab).
   2, Of no avail to him was his wealth and domain.
2. To burn (naaran) in the fire of hatred (zaat-a-lahabin) will be his disastrous fate (sa yasla).
3. And his false pride/honor (Imra?atuhu) responsible (Hammaalah) for inciting the hatred (al-hatab),
4. would stand tied to a strong rope (hablum mim masad) around its high neck (jeedihaa).(would stand humiliated)

Running translation

?All powers of the instigator (of the fire) of enmity have been smashed and he is destroyed. Of no avail to him was his wealth and domain. To burn in the fire of hatred will be his disastrous fate. And his false pride/honor responsible for inciting hatred would stand tied to a strong rope (a yoke) around its high neck (simply meaning that he is doomed to stand humiliated).?

Quran does not deal with personalities (except His Rasools) or places. So there was no particular person called "Abu Lahab" that was targeted in this Sura. On the contrary, the Sura targets the general frame of mind of the enemies of God, His messenger and His Guidance.

Dr. Qamar Zaman is the prominent scholar who is bearing the great responsibility of discovering the genuine interpretation of Quran out of the debris and rubble of great Jewish counter revolution against Islam. He can be contacted through his website and blog, www.aastana.com.

Of course, you are absolutely free to form your opinion. We would always respect you.

God bless you.

[Mazhar]

If this is what Dr. Qamar is, he seems to have entered into the shoes of GA Pervez.

[SarahY]

Peace aurangzaib

thanks for the info.. though this doesn't link with fahisha does it? maybe it would be better to start a new thread of new findings rather than this one? otherwise if it links was with fahisha i missed it

[aurangzaib]

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?If this is what Dr. Qamar is, he seems to have entered into the shoes of GA Pervez.?

That was a mis-statement of the century. Both the gentlemen are oceans apart in their level of intellect and evolution.

All Pervaizis hate Dr. Qamar Zaman, just as you do, only because all of them are stuck in time, in the year 1985, the year the great man closed his eyes in eternal peace. They are on sleeping pills. No movement. No research or investigation. No quest or pursuit of knowledge. Pervaiz was the last word for them. I respect the gentleman. Was my first teacher in Quranic studies. He never asked people to freeze their minds. He hated conformism and persistently advised against it.

You are a label paster and a foulmouth, friend. A Quranic Mulla, suffering from self delusion. All you need is a running brook of thought, not your present stagnant and dead pond of smelly water. Your ugly demeanour has precluded any more logical or rational discussion. A Quranic research, when introduced for discussion, is a ?scum? for you.

[unknownuser]

You are a label paster and a foulmouth, friend. A Quranic Mulla, suffering from self delusion. All you need is a running brook of thought, not your present stagnant and dead pond of smelly water. Your ugly demeanour has precluded any more logical or rational discussion. A Quranic research, when introduced for discussion, is a ?scum? for you.

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[Mazhar]

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And you people do not approach nearing the mutually consented sexual intercourse;

Here it is not said that "do not perform Zina", but since it will factually take place only when man and woman are motivated from within and they willingly with heartfelt desire approach it. In case of rape one of the two parties neither has the desire nor he or she approaches for nearness/its performance. Rape is done by one person upon another person, a man raping a woman, or a woman raping a man, with or without the help of others.

Answer this with sensible mind, not irritated and disturbed having mirrored the inner dirty self.