what do you say about this ?
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So let me give you an example from the ahadeeth, of the prophet supposedly making something against Allah's words.
The example that you gave is about Hell and not about ligeslations as you said before .We are talking about ligeslations and laws from the prophet , read the thread .
This is patently absurd. Allah's word is that the Earth orbits the sun in a guided course. The seasons arise as a result of the tilt of the Earth's orbital axis. A contradiction to reality is hence portrayed here unless we conclude that hell has an infinite number of lungs which perpetually breathe in and out based on every single last point of the earth's surface. Such an understanding still does not explain where hell has room to breathe in some points in the Arctic.
The only thing absurd is your logic, is the hadith said that the hell is it the responsible of the seasons of "summer" or "winter ? No, the hadith is about that the heat of summer is a breath of hell and the cold of winter is a reat of hell. There is no mentionning that Hell is influencing the seasons or anything else. And justifying this hadith from Quran
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2512 { When it (Hell) sees them from a far place, they will hear its raging and its roaring.}
Glory be to God who guides his messenger with truth and may the curse of Allah (swt) be on those who seek to distort his words!
Hypocrites say these things too .
Of course many such contradictions with reality can be found in the words of Bukhari which are never comparable to the words of Allah and the words of his messenger that coincide with the words of Allah.
No, the Hadith after all is not about ligeslation and you don't even understand it as it seems that you don't even understand science .
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Look, I explained my stance on this issue to you previously, so I'm not going to waste my time writing all of that again.
Of course I have arguments and use knowledge when disagreeing with a scholar. There are countless texts and fatawa by scholars out there where it is very easy to see ignorance, deliberate misinterpretations, scientifically wrong statements and so on and so forth. You don't need decades of religious study in order to see that, this is just a silly argument to keep people from thinking and questioning.
Yes, I know arguments from your desires. Ah by the way you always choose the scholars that talked about women.
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The example that you gave is about Hell and not about ligeslations as you said before .We are talking about ligeslations and laws from the prophet , read the thread .
The only thing absurd is your logic, is the hadith said that the hell is it the responsible of the seasons of "summer" or "winter ? No, the hadith is about that the heat of summer is a breath of hell and the cold of winter is a reat of hell. There is no mentionning that Hell is influencing the seasons or anything else. And justifying this hadith from Quran
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2512 { When it (Hell) sees them from a far place, they will hear its raging and its roaring.}
Hypocrites say these things too .
No, the Hadith after all is not about ligeslation and you don't even understand it as it seems that you don't even understand science .
This is a judgement from the prophet, it is legislation. According to Bukhari, Allah's messenger ordained/judged/legislated for us that we should delay the "Zuhr prayer" because of this raging of hell fire. The heat of the summer and coolness of the winter arise from the distance from Sun to Earth. Maximum heat is obtained when Earth is closest to the Sun and minimum heat is obtained when Earth is farthest away from sun. No "hellfire" unless you are claiming Allah will throw all the disbelievers into the sun which happens to be the hellfire.
If legislation does not come from ahadeeth then where does it come from? So I suppose you mean "those charged with authority amongst you". This still does not explain why the prophet is talking out of line with the words of Allah in the so-called "Sahih Al-Bukhari".
Additionally this correlates with you claiming al-hikmah = sunnah. This is a clear lack of "al-hikmah" in the "sunnah". If Allah sends down al-hikma nowhere along will it lack such a thing.
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Dear Thereformer1,
Please let us know whether the Prophet(pbuh) was following The Qur'aan ONLY, or he mixed it up with his own inventions too. In other words, tell us if the Prophet was a SUNNI or just a MUSLIM, a follower of The Qur'aan ONLY.
Just answer my question I highlighted above. It is short and STRAIGHTFORWARD. It is not of the MUTASHAABIHAAT, in a way that confuses you. I put it to you once more. Was the Prophet a SUNNI or just a MUSLIM, a follower of The Qur?aan ONLY?
Besides, in 638, didn't GOD say that He did not left ANYTHING OUT of the book? Doesn't it mean that we do NOT need any other source of GUIDANCE beside The Qur'aan?
In 3531,32, did GOD say that we inherited SUNNAH on top of The Qur?aan too, or He said that He made us the inheritors of The Qur?aan ALONE?
I do consider you, i.e., the SECTARIANS, as the disbeliveers in following The Qur?aan ALONE. The Prohpet(pbuh) himself was the follower of The Qur?aan ALONE. Don?t you think so?
In 3923 GOD tells us that The Qur'aan is the BEST HADITH.
If you are not a disbeliver in the verse 3923, then why you believe-in and follow the ?HADITH of the prophet? too?
You, the SECTARIANS, are following man made words not AUTHORIZED by GOD.
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This is a judgement from the prophet, it is legislation. According to Bukhari, Allah's messenger ordained/judged/legislated for us that we should delay the "Zuhr prayer" because of this raging of hell fire. The heat of the summer and coolness of the winter arise from the distance from Sun to Earth. Maximum heat is obtained when Earth is closest to the Sun and minimum heat is obtained when Earth is farthest away from sun. No "hellfire" unless you are claiming Allah will throw all the disbelievers into the sun which happens to be the hellfire.
What are you talking about ? The hadith has nothing to do with summer or winter or the movement of earth in its orbit or in its farthest point from sun or the closest point from sun . The hadith said that the breath of hell in the summer is not about the closest point of Earth from the sun, neither about the farthest point of earth accompanied with the breath of hell in winter .You're talking like an atheist who believes just in science, there are things that science can't explain. The Hadith is about the breat of Hell in summer and in winter wich they have nothing with the season of summer in its normal heat and the winter in its normal cold accompanied with the breath of hell in both of them.
By the way Salla "AZuhr" is in Quran .
If legislation does not come from ahadeeth then where does it come from? So I suppose you mean "those charged with authority amongst you". This still does not explain why the prophet is talking out of line with the words of Allah in the so-called "Sahih Al-Bukhari".
The Ahadeeth are from the prophet peace be upon him and they are not againts God's words, you said that because of your ignorance, and Bukhari has just deliver a science had work hards to deliever it to us . Do you think that he is just write this book without studying the contents ? let me remind you that he stocked Quran in his mind when he was ten years old .
Additionally this correlates with you claiming al-hikmah = sunnah. This is a clear lack of "al-hikmah" in the "sunnah". If Allah sends down al-hikma nowhere along will it lack such a thing.
Sunnah is full of wisdom, take it as read .
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Yes, I know arguments from your desires. Ah by the way you always choose the scholars that talked about women.
No, certainly not always. But you are correct, I often pick texts dealing with women's issues because in those, hypocrisy and biasness are easily detected and sometimes shockingly blatant.
It's not only the scholars' interpretations of Qur'anic verses, but moreso the hair raising statements and theories they often cite in order to support their opinions that makes many scholars lose credibility.
To give you an example -- prominent Saudi cleric Salih al-Munajjid claims that
~ God has made men superior to women.
~ men are superior to women and are better than women.
~ men are better than women, because the masculine is honour and perfection, whereas the feminine naturally has something lacking physically.
~ Men are more intelligent and have a better ability to distinguish right from wrong.
~ Men have the advantage of being more wise and more capable of management
~ Men?s religion is more complete
~ he is more perfect in rational thinking than her in most cases
~ Because of their weakness, women are not able to do many things. Women are imperfect
~ Women are weaker than men in memory and forget more than men do.
(All those are verbatim quotes.)
None of this, obviously, can be found in the Qur'an. But, to make it worse, the scheikh then goes on to claim that all this nonsense is scientifically proven. He says that scientific research has shown that the male brain is superior to the female brain, which not only shows his blatant misogyny but is an outright and ridiculous lie. In addition, there are never any references, sources or links to his supposed studies; if he ever actually refers to a scientific study that is still available, you can be sure it is decades old, outdated and long disproved by newer research.
Or let's take your favourite scholar, Mr. Yusuf al Qaradawi. In one of his texts about polygamy he claims that a man should be allowed to take a second (or third or fourth) wife because supposedly a man is always willing and able to have sex, and a woman only rarely, so the poor men are not getting their fair share of sexual activity. He then goes on to compare women to buffalos and she-goats, saying those animals only have a desire for sex at the time they can get pregnant, and that it is the same in women.
That is ridiculous BS, and if it wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious. Our eminent scholar is basically saying that women only want to have sex a few days each month. And if I follow the above theory further, that would mean any post-menopausal woman, and every woman who is on the pill, or pregnant, never has a desire for sex. I don't think I need to explain that this is utter nonsense!
So you see, I don't need to be an expert in science of hadith, fiqh etc. pp. in order to see that those "eminent scholars" are blatant mysogynists whose personal opinions clearly influence their fatawa. I.e., they are the ones interpreting God's laws according to their own desires and twisted view of the world.
A bit of common sense and the ability to observe the world around me with my own eyes is absolutely sufficient.
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What are you talking about ? The hadith has nothing to do with summer or winter or the movement of earth in its orbit or in its farthest point from sun or the closest point from sun . The hadith said that the breath of hell in the summer is not about the closest point of Earth from the sun, neither about the farthest point of earth accompanied with the breath of hell in winter .You're talking like an atheist who believes just in science, there are things that science can't explain. The Hadith is about the breat of Hell in summer and in winter wich they have nothing with the season of summer in its normal heat and the winter in its normal cold accompanied with the breath of hell in both of them.
By the way Salla "AZuhr" is in Quran .
The Ahadeeth are from the prophet peace be upon him and they are not againts God's words, you said that because of your ignorance, and Bukhari has just deliver a science had work hards to deliever it to us . Do you think that he is just write this book without studying the contents ? let me remind you that he stocked Quran in his mind when he was ten years old .
Sunnah is full of wisdom, take it as read .
It is clear to me that you have no brain mechanisms with which to percieve reality the way it is. To you your way, to me mine.
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Dear Thereformer1,
This is not fair , you didn't answer my question in the thread and you want from me to answer your questions, but I'll not be like you, I'm going to answer .
Please let us know whether the Prophet(pbuh) was following The Qur'aan ONLY, or he mixed it up with his own inventions too. In other words, tell us if the Prophet was a SUNNI or just a MUSLIM, a follower of The Qur'aan ONLY.
The prophet peace be upon him was receiving two things "The book and the HIKMA" . So he did follow both of them as they were giving from God to teach both of them . The prophet did not mixing up anything with his own inventions as you claimed, there is the book and there is how to use it like a medicament you take the cure and you take how to use it . God gave the prophet Quran and he taught him how to do things from it and how to extract other types of ligeslations from it and how to use some instructions, these things have been registred in the so-called today the book of Sihah . So If you think that Quran is the only thing that the prophet follow you must go read and learn again .
Just answer my question I highlighted above. It is short and STRAIGHTFORWARD. It is not of the MUTASHAABIHAAT, in a way that confuses you. I put it to you once more. Was the Prophet a SUNNI or just a MUSLIM, a follower of The Qur?aan ONLY?
I've answered above that there are two things giving to the prophet . And he was Muslim following what came in Quran and what God taught him through the Angel Gabriel peace be upon him, this teaching has been registred in books for next generations.So the muslims today whom you called them sunni are the real Muslims.
Besides, in 638, didn't GOD say that He did not left ANYTHING OUT of the book? Doesn't it mean that we do NOT need any other source of GUIDANCE beside The Qur'aan?
The book in this verse 38 from 6 is not Quran
The book here in this verse is the " " . Your problem is taking the words that God mentioned the book as they are all talking about Quran, sorry to say that wron wrong wrong . The book is " " and it is not Quran .
In 3531,32, did GOD say that we inherited SUNNAH on top of The Qur?aan too, or He said that He made us the inheritors of The Qur?aan ALONE?
3531 { Then We gave the Book the Qur'?n) for inheritance to such of Our slaves whom We chose (the followers of Muhammad SAW). Then of them are some who wrong their ownselves, and of them are some who follow a middle course, and of them are some who are, by All?h's Leave, foremost in good deeds. That (inheritance of the Qur'?n), that is indeed a great grace. 32{ 'Adn (Eden) Paradise (everlasting Gardens) will they enter, therein will they be adorned with bracelets of gold and pearls, and their garments there will be of silk (i.e. in Paradise).}
This is talking about that inheristance of Quran for the believers who they did follow the prophet peace be upon him and who they did God chose from them a prophet . where is your problem ? Quran we inhert it from God, how to use and perform what came in it and understand it and interpret it we inhert it from the prophet . is there any problem there ?
I do consider you, i.e., the SECTARIANS, as the disbeliveers in following The Qur?aan ALONE. The Prohpet(pbuh) himself was the follower of The Qur?aan ALONE. Don?t you think so?
See above, I think I've explained more than I explained to an atheist . The only sect that splitted up is you (quranists), The prophet was giving two things . Don't you think so ?
In 3923 GOD tells us that The Qur'aan is the BEST HADITH.
Yes, it is indeed the best Hadith, did we say the opposite ? and one more thing this verse is for non-believers .
If you are not a disbeliver in the verse 3923, then why you believe-in and follow the ?HADITH of the prophet? too?
Because the prophet has taken two things (The book and The wisdom) and God order him to teach both of them . The teachings things are in Hadith .
You, the SECTARIANS, are following man made words not AUTHORIZED by GOD.
I think you'll here answer yourself about who is the sectarian .
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No, certainly not always. But you are correct, I often pick texts dealing with women's issues because in those, hypocrisy and biasness are easily detected and sometimes shockingly blatant.
It's not only the scholars' interpretations of Qur'anic verses, but moreso the hair raising statements and theories they often cite in order to support their opinions that makes many scholars lose credibility.
To give you an example -- prominent Saudi cleric Salih al-Munajjid claims that
~ God has made men superior to women.
~ men are superior to women and are better than women.
~ men are better than women, because the masculine is honour and perfection, whereas the feminine naturally has something lacking physically.
~ Men are more intelligent and have a better ability to distinguish right from wrong.
~ Men have the advantage of being more wise and more capable of management
~ Men?s religion is more complete
~ he is more perfect in rational thinking than her in most cases
~ Because of their weakness, women are not able to do many things. Women are imperfect
~ Women are weaker than men in memory and forget more than men do.
(All those are verbatim quotes.)
None of this, obviously, can be found in the Qur'an. But, to make it worse, the scheikh then goes on to claim that all this nonsense is scientifically proven. He says that scientific research has shown that the male brain is superior to the female brain, which not only shows his blatant misogyny but is an outright and ridiculous lie. In addition, there are never any references, sources or links to his supposed studies; if he ever actually refers to a scientific study that is still available, you can be sure it is decades old, outdated and long disproved by newer research.
Or let's take your favourite scholar, Mr. Yusuf al Qaradawi. In one of his texts about polygamy he claims that a man should be allowed to take a second (or third or fourth) wife because supposedly a man is always willing and able to have sex, and a woman only rarely, so the poor men are not getting their fair share of sexual activity. He then goes on to compare women to buffalos and she-goats, saying those animals only have a desire for sex at the time they can get pregnant, and that it is the same in women.
That is ridiculous BS, and if it wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious. Our eminent scholar is basically saying that women only want to have sex a few days each month. And if I follow the above theory further, that would mean any post-menopausal woman, and every woman who is on the pill, or pregnant, never has a desire for sex. I don't think I need to explain that this is utter nonsense!
So you see, I don't need to be an expert in science of hadith, fiqh etc. pp. in order to see that those "eminent scholars" are blatant mysogynists whose personal opinions clearly influence their fatawa. I.e., they are the ones interpreting God's laws according to their own desires and twisted view of the world.
A bit of common sense and the ability to observe the world around me with my own eyes is absolutely sufficient.Leyna , can you (if you want ) make a thread about this post of yours (this one above) and I will answer every thing from Quran if God willing .
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The prophet peace be upon him was receiving two things "The book and the HIKMA" . So he did follow both of them as they were giving from God to teach both of them . The prophet did not mixing up anything with his own inventions as you claimed, there is the book and there is how to use it like a medicament you take the cure and you take how to use it . God gave the prophet Quran and he taught him how to do things from it and how to extract other types of ligeslations from it and how to use some instructions, these things have been registred in the so-called today the book of Sihah . So If you think that Quran is the only thing that the prophet follow you must go read and learn again .
So God gave the Quran and told Muhammed to folllow the sunnah by hadith?I've answered above that there are two things giving to the prophet . And he was Muslim following what came in Quran and what God taught him through the Angel Gabriel peace be upon him, this teaching has been registred in books for next generations.So the muslims today whom you called them sunni are the real Muslims.
So God gave the Quran and the wisdom not to wash with dung?The book in this verse 38 from 6 is not Quran
The book here in this verse is the " " . Your problem is taking the words that God mentioned the book as they are all talking about Quran, sorry to say that wron wrong wrong . The book is " " and it is not Quran .
So God gave Quran, said follow the hadith and sunnah and hid everything in the archived board. Why did He bother giving Quran at all?3531 { Then We gave the Book the Qur'?n) for inheritance to such of Our slaves whom We chose (the followers of Muhammad SAW). Then of them are some who wrong their ownselves, and of them are some who follow a middle course, and of them are some who are, by All?h's Leave, foremost in good deeds. That (inheritance of the Qur'?n), that is indeed a great grace. 32{ 'Adn (Eden) Paradise (everlasting Gardens) will they enter, therein will they be adorned with bracelets of gold and pearls, and their garments there will be of silk (i.e. in Paradise).}
This is talking about that inheristance of Quran for the believers who they did follow the prophet peace be upon him and who they did God chose from them a prophet . where is your problem ? Quran we inhert it from God, how to use and perform what came in it and understand it and interpret it we inhert it from the prophet . is there any problem there ?
So the peope that follow hadith and sunnah and not the Quran are the ones God gave Quran as inheritance? Was it like a heirloom to put on the shelf?See above, I think I've explained more than I explained to an atheist . The only sect that splitted up is you (quranists), The prophet was giving two things . Don't you think so ?
hhhm NO. The prophet was given Quran a book full of wisdom. He was given Wisdom (brain, thought, reason) to understand Quran and teach to the people who were too stupid they were using dung to wash with! You explained it magnificantly Oh great shake! bravoYes, it is indeed the best Hadith, did we say the opposite ?
well suppose not really although what you did say is Quran is the best hadith so we follow other hadith that is not the best. I can see why the dung thing had to be clarified now though.and one more thing this verse is for non-believers .
would that be non-believers in Quran and Allah or non-believers in hadith and sunnah? ???Because the prophet has taken two things (The book and The wisdom) and God order him to teach both of them . The teachings things are in Hadith .
yes I can see why you dont need to bother with Quran then when you have it all in hadith, dung and all.I think you'll here answer yourself about who is the sectarian .
yes we got that loud and clear bravo
Thank you Oh great shake for your wisdom hail
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Leyna , can you (if you want ) make a thread about this post of yours (this one above) and I will answer every thing from Quran if God willing .
None of those statements can be justified by using Qur'an. God doesn't prefer one gender over the other, he made no gender or race superior to the other.
I wasn't intending to start a discussion on those awful statements; I was just giving an example of the nonsense some "Islamic authorities" are selling us us God's supposed rules.
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So God gave the Quran and told Muhammed to folllow the sunnah by hadith?
I didn't say that. God gave the Quran with teaching his prophet how to use instructions in it like prayers for example. This teaching is registered in Hadith .
Hadith contains Sunnah of the prophet which is sunnah of Allah . The God and the prophet , there is "and" in every verse.
So God gave the Quran and the wisdom not to wash with dung?
Is this your way of comparision between wisdom and quran?, by the way bring a hadith sahih about a matter
So God gave Quran, said follow the hadith and sunnah and hid everything in the archived board. Why did He bother giving Quran at all?
This is not what I said God gave us Quran to follow him and sent from us prophet to teach us .
There is difference between the book which is "" "" and the book which is "Quran" . We don't compare them because they are not the same thing .
So the peope that follow hadith and sunnah and not the Quran are the ones God gave Quran as inheritance? Was it like a heirloom to put on the shelf?
This is nonsense, Quran contains orders and instructions, these instructions has been practiced by the prophet and God taught them how to perform them, people saw the deeds of the prophet and heard his sayings and they regisetred them, because it was an order in Quran to obey him and take lessons from him about the matters .
hhhm NO. The prophet was given Quran a book full of wisdom. He was given Wisdom (brain, thought, reason) to understand Quran and teach to the people who were too stupid they were using dung to wash with! You explained it magnificantly Oh great shake! bravo
Are you now denying thise verse "were given the Book and the Wisdom" ? Quran is full of wisdom right and no one is going to deny this but this thing have mentioned in other verses but here God says something else .
well suppose not really although what you did say is Quran is the best hadith so we follow other hadith that is not the best. I can see why the dung thing had to be clarified now though.
I know where you have the problem, you don't want Hadith because some things there are tough for you . No one from us deny that the best hadith is Quran according to the Gospel and The Torah. even the word "AL-HIKMA" God classified it before these two books . And as I said the best Hadith was for non-believers .
would that be non-believers in Quran and Allah or non-believers in hadith and sunnah? ???
You're asking like jewish and christian and atheists as well, the non-believers are the people who deny that the Quran is not from God and the non-believers are the people who deny the prophethood of Muhammed peace be upon and the non-believers are the people who deny the existence of God and the non-believers are the worshippers of Idols.
yes I can see why you dont need to bother with Quran then when you have it all in hadith, dung and all.
Quran I know it better than you. And so the Hadith .
yes we got that loud and clear bravo
Thank you Oh great shake for your wisdom hail
This is the truth, denying it, will not serve you, believing in it, will serve you .
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None of those statements can be justified by using Qur'an. God doesn't prefer one gender over the other, he made no gender or race superior to the other.
I wasn't intending to start a discussion on those awful statements; I was just giving an example of the nonsense some "Islamic authorities" are selling us us God's supposed rules.You saw them nonsense without giving your point or arguments of disagreeing with them from Quran . hmm !
Well that's awful .
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You saw them nonsense without giving your point or arguments of disagreeing with them from Quran . hmm !
I have picked those fatawa apart before, addressing the presented statements and the line of argument with qur'anic and scientific evidence. I don't think it is really necessary to go into all of this again, most of that stuff pretty much exposes itself.
I also gave you an example of silly and un-scientific reasoning (women only desire sex when they can get pregnant) above. My intention was not to start a long discussion about every single argument in those fatawa, I was just trying to make a point about scholars. Wasn't that obvious?
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I didn't say that. God gave the Quran with teaching his prophet how to use instructions in it like prayers for example. This teaching is registered in Hadith .
That is what you are saying though and its what you have said again here. You are saying God gave Quran, which He Himself says is fully detailed and complete, and He gave a separate set of instructions (to go with the fully detailed complete Book) and that separate set of instructions (including not to wash with dung) is in hadith. Why didnt He put it IN Quran or better still why did He bother giving Quran if you have the instructions all in hadith?Hadith contains Sunnah of the prophet which is sunnah of Allah . The God and the prophet , there is "and" in every verse.
Sunnah of the prophet (according to the instuction manual of hadith) is NOT Sunnah of Allah!! So God AND the prophet, obviously means 'this is my son' ' he is God in flesh worship him' because YOU have just put a MAN up on level with GOD. SHIRKIs this your way of comparision between wisdom and quran?, by the way bring a hadith sahih about a matter
no its your comparison. You said God gave Quran and hadith, the instructions to the fully detailed complete easy to understand book.wisdom of hadith regarding washing with dung
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 157
Narrated Abu HurairaI followed the Prophet while he was going out to answer the call of nature. He used not to look this way or that. So, when I approached near him he said to me, "Fetch for me some stones for ' cleaning the privates parts (or said something similar), and do not bring a bone or a piece of dung." So I brought the stones in the corner of my garment and placed them by his side and I then went away from him. When he finished (from answering the call of nature) he used, them .
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 158
Narrated 'AbdullahThe Prophet went out to answer the call of nature and asked me to bring three stones. I found two stones and searched for the third but could not find it. So took a dried piece of dung and brought it to him. He took the two stones and threw away the dung and said, "This is a filthy thing." (immense Wisdom there!)
Here we have dung counted as good deeds, and not your own dung either!
Volume 3, Book 40, Number 559
Narrated Abu HurairaAllah's Apostle said, "Keeping horses may be a source of reward to some (man), a shelter to another (i.e. means of earning one's living), or a burden to a third. He to whom the horse will be a source of reward is the one who keeps it in Allah's Cause (prepare it for holy battles) and ties it by a long rope in a pasture (or a garden). He will get a reward equal to what its long rope allows it to eat in the pasture or the garden, and if that horse breaks its rope and crosses one or two hills, then all its foot-steps and its dung will be counted as good deeds for its owner; and if it passes by a river and drinks from it, then that will also be regarded as a good deed for its owner even if he has had no intention of watering it then. Horses are a shelter from poverty to the second person who keeps horses for earning his living so as not to ask others, and at the same time he gives Allah's right (i.e. Rakat) (from the wealth he earns through using them in trading etc.,) and does not overburden them. He who keeps horses just out of pride and for showing off and as a means of harming the Muslims, his horses will be a source of sins to him." When Allah's Apostle was asked about donkeys, he replied, "Nothing particular was revealed to me regarding
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 105
Narrated Abu HurairaThe Prophet said, "If sVolume 4, Book 52, Number 112
Narrated Abu HurairaAllah's Apostle said, " Horses are kept for one of three purposes; for some people they are a source of reward, for some others they are a means of shelter and for some others they are a source of sins. The one for whom they are a source of reward, is he who keeps a horse for Allah's Cause (i.e. Jihad) tying it with a long tether on a meadow or in a garden with the result that whatever it eats from the area of the meadow or the garden where it is tied will be counted as good deeds for his benefit, and if it should break its rope and jump over one or two hillocks then all its dung and its foot marks will be written as good deeds for him; and if it passes by a river and drinks water from it even though he had no intention of watering it, even then he will get the reward for its drinking. As for the man for whom horses are a source of sins, he is the one who keeps a horse for the sake of pride and pretense and showing enmity for Muslims such a horse will be a source of sins for him. When Allah's Apostle was asked about donkeys, he replied, "Nothing has been revealed to me about them except this unique, comprehensive Verse "Then anyone who does an atom's (or a small ant's) weight of good shall see it; And anyone who does an atom's (or a small ant's) weight of evil, shall see it.' (101.7-
omebody keeps a horse in Allah's Cause motivated by his faith in Allah and his belief in His Promise, then he will be rewarded on the Day of Resurrection for what the horse has eaten or drunk and for its dung and urine."Volume 4, Book 56, Number 839
Narrated Abu Huraira is similar to aboveNow the same dung is food for Jinns
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 200
Narrated Abu HurairaThat once he was in the, company of the Prophet carrying a water pot for his ablution and for cleaning his private parts. While he was following him carrying it(i.e. the pot), the Prophet said, "Who is this?" He said, "I am Abu Huraira." The Prophet said, "Bring me stones in order to clean my private parts, and do not bring any bones or animal dung." Abu Huraira went on narrating So I brought some stones, carrying them in the corner of my robe till I put them by his side and went away. When he finished, I walked with him and asked, "What about the bone and the animal dung?" He said, "They are of the food of Jinns. The delegate of Jinns of (the city of) Nasibin came to me--and how nice those Jinns were--and asked me for the remains of the human food. I invoked Allah for them that they would never pass by a bone or animal dung but find food on them."
More dung related
Volume 7, Book 63, Number 251
Narrated Humaid bin Nafi'Zainab bint Abu Salama told me these three narrations Zainab said I went to Um Habiba, the wife of the Prophet when her father, Abu- Sufyan bin Herb had died. Um ,Habiba asked for a perfume which contained yellow scent (Khaluq) or some other scent, and she first perfumed one of the girls with it and then rubbed her cheeks with it and said, "By Allah, I am not in need of perfume, but I have heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'It is not lawful for a lady who believes in Allah and the Last Day to mourn for a dead person for more than three days unless he is her husband for whom she should mourn for four months and ten days.' " Zainab further said I want to Zainab bint Jahsh when her brother died. She asked for perfume and used some of it and said, "By Allah, I am not in need of perfume, but I have heard Allah's Apostle saying on the pulpit, 'It is not lawful for a lady who believes in Allah and the last day to mourn for more than three days except for her husband for whom she should mourn for four months and ten days.' " Zainab further said, "I heard my mother, Um Salama saying that a woman came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! The husband of my daughter has died and she is suffering from an eye disease, can she apply kohl to her eye?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No," twice or thrice. (Every time she repeated her question) he said, "No." Then Allah's Apostle added, "It is just a matter of four months and ten days. In the Pre-Islamic Period of ignorance a widow among you should throw a globe of dung when one year has elapsed." I said to Zainab, "What does 'throwing a globe of dung when one year had elapsed' mean?" Zainab said, "When a lady was bereaved of her husband, she would live in a wretched small room and put on the worst clothes she had and would not touch any scent till one year had elapsed. Then she would bring an animal, e.g. a donkey, a sheep or a bird and rub her body against it. The animal against which she would rub her body would scarcely survive. Only then she would come out of her room, whereupon she would be given a globe of dung which she would throw away and then she would use the scent she liked or the like."
Volume 7, Book 63, Number 252
Narrated Um Salama Similar to aboveThere are other dung related verses but I will stop at that.
Transformer I suggest you read these SAHIH hadith carefully and then would you please point out which verses in Quran they are 'intructions' for? Thank you.
This is not what I said God gave us Quran to follow him and sent from us prophet to teach us . There is difference between the book which is "" "" and the book which is "Quran" . We don't compare them because they are not the same thing .
But you say Muhammed is teaching us from hadith so why did Allah send Quran? What has this archived board got to do with it all? Why does Allah mention the archived board and call if the Book then tell us nothing about it?
This is nonsense, Quran contains orders and instructions, these instructions has been practiced by the prophet and God taught them how to perform them, people saw the deeds of the prophet and heard his sayings and they regisetred them, because it was an order in Quran to obey him and take lessons from him about the matters .
No you are talking nonsense. Now you say Quran contains orders AND instructions so why the 'instructions' of hadith? if the instruction IN Quran were performed by the prophet then they are IN Quran and we dont need another set of instructions for the instruction Book do we?God heard the sayings of Muhammed and registered them in ????? hadith? So GOD registered them in Sahih bukhari even after saying you need NO HADITH after the Quran? so God contradicts himself again? i am wondering why anyone follows a god that cant quite make up his mind whether His Book is fully detailed and complete or it needs another set of instructions to instruct the learner how to follow the fully detailed and complete book. ???
Are you now denying thise verse "were given the Book and the Wisdom" ? Quran is full of wisdom right and no one is going to deny this but this thing have mentioned in other verses but here God says something else .
of course I am not denying the verses of God, thats your job to deny and twist the meanings. Here God says He gave Quran and the Wisdom. The Wisdom is IN the Quran as Quran says IT is FULL of Wisdom. Now are you saying that the book was so FULL of Wisdom there was no room for more (remember the tea?) so He had to give more Wisdom as an apppendix because His publisher said there are already enough words and Wisdom IN Quran?I know where you have the problem, you don't want Hadith because some things there are tough for you . No one from us deny that the best hadith is Quran according to the Gospel and The Torah. even the word "AL-HIKMA" God classified it before these two books . And as I said the best Hadith was for non-believers .
Well yes you could say some things in Hadith a 'tough' for me because I already have enough Wisdom to know not to wash with dung, even before I read Sahih hadith. But I do not believe these are from the prophet, or from Allah and that is why I reject them. Even if I did believe they were from the prophet I would still reject them as part of Islam because God TELLS ME TO In the Best Hadith. Why when I have the BEST do I want LESS than the BEST?'No one from us deny that the best hadith is Quran according to the Gospel and The Torah' ??? so according to the Gospel and the Torah the Quran is the best Hadith? Where in the Gospel and Torah does it say that? Do you know what 'according to' means?
You're asking like jewish and christian and atheists as well, the non-believers are the people who deny that the Quran is not from God and the non-believers are the people who deny the prophethood of Muhammed peace be upon and the non-believers are the people who deny the existence of God and the non-believers are the worshippers of Idols.
Ok got that straight, I am a believer and you're not. peace
Quran I know it better than you. And so the Hadith .
i dont think so because if you did know Quran you would be following it instead of something else not from God, but you have a chance to show me im wrong and explain which verses from Quran that the above hadith are 'instructions' for.This is the truth, denying it, will not serve you, believing in it, will serve you .
Quran is the truth, you wouldnt know truth if it smacked you in the empty space between your ears.
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3531 { Then We gave the Book the Qur'?n) for inheritance to such of Our slaves whom We chose (the followers of Muhammad SAW). Then of them are some who wrong their ownselves, and of them are some who follow a middle course, and of them are some who are, by All?h's Leave, foremost in good deeds. That (inheritance of the Qur'?n), that is indeed a great grace. 32{ 'Adn (Eden) Paradise (everlasting Gardens) will they enter, therein will they be adorned with bracelets of gold and pearls, and their garments there will be of silk (i.e. in Paradise).}
I think you've got the verse numbers in the above quotation wrong. I gave you verses 3531,32, but you've translated verses 3532,33 instead, putting the translation of verse 3532 for 3531, and 3533 for 3532!
Anyways, you seem to have been pretty confused. I recommend that you take some time off and try to meditate a little, then come back fresh and relaxed. GOD'S business is a very serious one. Just remember we are all responsible before GOD(SWT). Try not sell what belongs to GOD for a cheap price. Remember, the life of this world is nothing but an illusion, 3185, then sooner than latter we will all be standing before Him to answer.
Peace,
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Once again, who are these 'with authority' from amongst us and what is their role in light of the following ayat?
459 O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day That is best, and most suitable for final determination.
Peace