what do you say about this ?
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by the way Thereformer1, you seem to have 'overlooked' the questions I asked regarding the hadith you asked for. It is here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600475.30
I would appreciate your wisdom in explaining which verses of Quran these hadith 'explain' please.
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The way we pray is because people saw the prophet how he prayed and we inherted it through generations, it is not in Quran , so why do you take it ?
So you are alleging that he did not pray in earlier forty years or so when Qur'aan was not communicated to him.
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The way we pray is because people saw the prophet how he prayed and we inherted it through generations, it is not in Quran, so why do you take it ?
Classic sign of disbelief as evidenced by quran.
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Who says Im praying fasting etc like you?
So , how do you pray ? with proof from Quran with numvers of Raka'at and what to say in sallat in prostrating, with all details of sallat , please a proof from Quran .
So for fasting, the time of breaking the fasting ?
who said I did it like you? Quran tells me to pray and establish regular prayer.
How ? proof from Quran , how this regular prayer should be? let me remind you that you didn't even know if the prayers two or three or five as you proved before to you
who said I do it like you?
So how you do it ?
who said I would do it like you?
The instruction is to pay zakat REGULARLY and its in most of the same verses as 'establish regular prayer' so how come you only pay zakat once a year and pray 5 times a day, how do you distinguish 'regular' in those verse to mean that?ok, proof that from Quran with verses and explanation of every verse.
No it doesnt but thats NOT what I said and is your brain (or lack of) that has decided that is what I said. No wonder you twist all the verses, you are not THINKING when you READ.
Yes, you're thinking , so bring to me every verse of what God means by regular prayer and how to perfom it with what to say in every prayer and how much are ? and how much rakk'at are ? and where is the doher in Quran ? and what God mean by the middle prayer ? and why Zakat not mentioned ho pay it ? and the some that you will pay ? and how to perform Hajj with every rules of being accepted ? .
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by the way Thereformer1, you seem to have 'overlooked' the questions I asked regarding the hadith you asked for. It is here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600475.30
I would appreciate your wisdom in explaining which verses of Quran these hadith 'explain' please.
No, you would appreciate something else.
And you'll get your answer after answering the question in the thread which was the subject .Read the P.S in the thread.
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The Prophet can only judge in accordance to the Quran (4/105 and 5/4. He's not around anymore to run the show so all we have are words of people we may not be able to trust.
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I'm not blind, stop trying to avoid the truth. The verses that I gave you are the ones that you pointed out and the subject was the book , in the verse 33 there is no book.
Dear Thereformer1,
I did not say you are blind. I am saying that you put the wrong translation for the verses 3531,32. Rub your eyes and check it again. It is your own QUOTATION. Just open The Qur'aan and check it out instead of copying and pasting from other sources! Here is your QUOTATION.
3531 { Then We gave the Book the Qur'?n) for inheritance to such of Our slaves whom We chose (the followers of Muhammad SAW). Then of them are some who wrong their ownselves, and of them are some who follow a middle course, and of them are some who are, by All?h's Leave, foremost in good deeds. That (inheritance of the Qur'?n), that is indeed a great grace. 32{ 'Adn (Eden) Paradise (everlasting Gardens) will they enter, therein will they be adorned with bracelets of gold and pearls, and their garments there will be of silk (i.e. in Paradise).}
Peace,
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So , how do you pray ? with proof from Quran with numvers of Raka'at and what to say in sallat in prostrating, with all details of sallat , please a proof from Quran .
267-71 is for what you are doing.for prayer 22, 243, 245, 283, 2153, 2177, 2238, 2277, 443, 477, 4101-103, 4142, 4162, 56, 512, 555, 558, 591, 5106, 672, 692, 6162, 717, 83, 835, 95, 918, 954, 971, 9103, 1087, 1187, 11114, 1322, 1431, 1437, 1440, 1778, 17110, 1931, 1955, 1958-59, 2014, 20132, 2173, 2235, 2241, 2278, 232, 2437, 2441, 2456, 2458, 273, 2945, 3031, 314, 3117, 3215, 3333, 3518, 3529, 4238, 5813, 629, 6210, 7023, 7034, 7320, 985, 1071-7.
If there is not enough details there that you have to look elsewhere you are doing what is done in 267-71.
So for fasting, the time of breaking the fasting ?
How ? proof from Quran , how this regular prayer should be? let me remind you that you didn't even know if the prayers two or three or five as you proved before to you
I am sure there will be as many detailed verses as there are for salat, I suggest YOU go look for them and stop wasting MY time. remember 267-71So how you do it ?
ok, proof that from Quran with verses and explanation of every verse.
You go look for it, I dont have to justify myself or my belief to you and have already shown you MANY verses which YOU choose to ignore, so why waste any more of my time when you claim to know it all better than anyone? MY soul is not YOUR problem.Yes, you're thinking , so bring to me every verse of what God means by regular prayer and how to perfom it with what to say in every prayer and how much are ? and how much rakk'at are ? and where is the doher in Quran ? and what God mean by the middle prayer ? and why Zakat not mentioned ho pay it ? and the some that you will pay ? and how to perform Hajj with every rules of being accepted ? .
you are wanting me to prove what YOU THOUGHT I said?
see above, I am not going through collecting all the verses etc when you wont even bother looking because you dont WANT to know. Now go answer MY questions I asked and stop avoiding them because you KNOW I am right.
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Now go answer MY questions I asked and stop avoiding them because you KNOW I am right.
Of course he won't, he did the same thing on the other thread. -
Somoeone should challenge him to a proper formal debate and restrict him running amuck in here as per rule 2.
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Are you volunteering aq? Mano a creatureo? Sounds great )
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Somoeone should challenge him to a proper formal debate and restrict him running amuck in here as per rule 2.
I agree, that would be most interesting, but would be preferable a new debate thread just him and the person, nobody else could post in but could see. Dunno if thats possible without a lot of messing around in the 'mechanics' of the forum though? sorry brain dead, cant think of word I want ;D
I nominated savage_carrot bravo
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Hell no, I have had jaw surgery less painful than "debate" with Th1... Let aq have the second match and it's curtains.
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Sure, i dont mind. Keep the topic very tight and simple.
Ayisha, the mods can delete anyone who posts there.
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Awesome. Let's pick a topic from Th1's rants on the forum. Any suggestions? aq and th1 can agree on a choice of a topic from the list.
Yes, we can delete anyone else posting in the thread and we can run a parallel thread for informal debate/comments.
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Sure, i dont mind. Keep the topic very tight and simple.
Ayisha, the mods can delete anyone who posts there.
ok, so anything I have to say I will write in Word so I have got it out, you know I cant keep my gob shut when he starts  
I think Thereformer should name the topic of debate though yay
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267-71 is for what you are doing.
These are about the strain of Isreal, these are not about Sallat which an obligation not like a cow . You don't even understand this so how you'll understand the rest . are you comparing asking about sallat is like asking about cow ?
- And (remember) when M?s? (Moses) said to his people "Verily, All?h commands you that you slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you make fun of us?" He said, "I take All?h?s Refuge from being among Al-J?hil?n (the ignorant or the foolish)."
- They said, "Call upon your Lord for us that He may make plain to us what it is!" He said, "He says, ?Verily, it is a cow neither too old nor too young, but (it is) between the two conditions?, so do what you are commanded."
- They said, "Call upon your Lord for us to make plain to us its colour." He said, "He says, ?It is a yellow cow, bright in its colour, pleasing to the beholders.? "
- They said, "Call upon your Lord for us to make plain to us what it is. Verily, to us all cows are alike. And surely, if All?h wills, we will be guided."
- He said, "He says, ?It is a cow neither trained to till the soil nor water the fields, sound, having no other colour except bright yellow.? " They said, "Now you have brought the truth." So they slaughtered it though they were near to not doing it.
Are you kidding ? are this my questions ? well, I'm not an ignorance like you who wants to prove his false situation by any way. But let's see your verses one by one .
for prayer 22,
- This is the Book (the Qur??n), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaq?n .
This is not about Sallat . so you didn't answer, you just throw a verse talks about something else.
243,
- And perform As-Sal?t (Iq?mat-as-Sal?t), and give Zak?t and bow down (or submit yourselves with obedience to All?h) along with Ar-Raki??n.
The question was how ? and how many Raka'at . Zakat, how ? all my money ? how much ?
so you didn't answer .
245,
- And seek help in patience and As-Sal?t (the prayer) and truly it is extremely heavy and hard except for Al-Kh?shi??n .
How ? and say what exactely ? ...you didn't answer the questions .
283,
- And (remember) when We took a covenant from the Children of Israel, (saying) Worship none but All?h (Alone) and be dutiful and good to parents, and to kindred, and to orphans and Al-Mas?k?n (the poor), and speak good to people , and perform As-Sal?t (Iq?mat-as-Sal?t), and give Zak?t. Then you slid back, except a few of you, while you are backsliders. (Tafsir Al-Qurtub?).
The same questions above , and the verse is not any answer of any question of mines , so you don't even understand the verses .
How many prayers ? and how many times ? and how ?
2153,
- O you who believe! Seek help in patience and As-Sal?t (the prayer). Truly! All?h is with As-S?bir?n (the patient).
where is the answer of my question ? I said what to say in prayers ? this is absolutely not about that . Seek help in patience >>>>>and >>>>>>>> the prayer . where is the answer ?
2177,
- It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and each and every act of obedience to All?h, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in All?h, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Mas?k?n (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Sal?t (Iq?mat-as-Sal?t ), and gives the Zak?t, and who fulfil their covenant when they make it, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of fighting (during the battles). Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaq?n (the pious - See V.22).
where is the answer ? how many prayers ? how to perform it ? how much of Zakat ? the time of Zakat ?
2238,
- Guard strictly As-Salaw?t (the prayers) especially the middle Sal?t . And stand before All?h with obedience [and do not speak to others during the Sal?t (prayers).
you didn't answer my question , what God mans by middle prayer ? and how to perform sallat ? how many rakka't ? how many sajaddatte? what to say in every rakka'at ?
2277,
- Truly those who believe, and do deeds of righteousness, and perform As-Sal?t (Iq?mat-as-Sal?t), and give Zak?t they will have their reward with their Lord. On them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
how ? no answers here.
443,
- O you who believe! Approach not As-Sal?t (the prayer) when you are in a drunken state until you know of what you utter, nor when you are in a state of Jan?ba , except when travelling on the road , till you wash your whole body. And if you are ill, or on a journey, or one of you comes after answering the call of nature, or you have been in contact with women and you find no water, perform Tayammum with clean earth and rub therewith your faces and hands.Truly, All?h is Ever Oft-Pardoning, Oft-Forgiving.
This is about the things that you shoudn't be when performing sallat .And for the ill and traveler that they can pray .
did any things there shows how ? how many ? what to say ? No , so you didn't answer .
477, 4101-103, 4142, 4162, 56, 512, 555, 558, 591, 5106, 672, 692, 6162, 717, 83, 835, 95, 918, 954, 971, 9103, 1087, 1187, 11114, 1322, 1431, 1437, 1440, 1778, 17110, 1931, 1955, 1958-59, 2014, 20132, 2173, 2235, 2241, 2278, 232, 2437, 2441, 2456, 2458, 273, 2945, 3031, 314, 3117, 3215, 3333, 3518, 3529, 4238, 5813, 629, 6210, 7023, 7034, 7320, 985, 1071-7.
I know every verse in Quran , so no one of them is answering my questions , so you didn't answer my questions, so I will not answer your questions .
You don't even understand a verse , what a joke .