what do you say about this ?
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Each to their own. If you find peace and become a peaceful person by practicing ahlussunnah wal jama'ah, then I guess, do it. I have no problem in anyone who has different religious beliefs than I do, as long as they're peaceful. You can be a Christian, A Jew, a Sunni, a Shi'a, a Hindu, whatever you may be, and I will respect you as long as you perform righteous deeds for the sake of God, and do not harm/hurt others in your way.
Personally, I do not 'abandon' zakat, salat, hajj, etc, but I have different understanding of what they are. Instead of paying 2.5% zakat every year, I do it whenever I earn my income and however much I can afford to spend. Same goes with salat and hajj. Just because I have different interpretation from the majority, it does not mean I abandon them altogether. I hope you can see the difference.
Do whatever your heart tells you to do. My way can be wrong, and so can anyone else's. What matters is that we practice what we truly believe, and not what others believe just because they say so, and that we dedicate our actions to God alone. May God lead all of us to the straight Path .
Well said. peace
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I do not reject prayer, fasting, hajj or anything else you mention and I pay zakat whenever I can, regularly as Quran says, = I follow Quran and what is in it, nor do I think khalifa is a 'messenger', ok you didnt say that but it seems to be what hadithist think, because they cant get out of the 'follow a leader and be in a box' mode.
You're praying like us, you're fasting like us and you'll perform Hajj if God willing like us. Well you're contradicting Quran .
The way we pray is because people saw the prophet how he prayed and we inherted it through generations, it is not in Quran , so why do you take it ?
fasting , Quran says until night , so why you're performing fasting like sunnah muslims ? and what God meant by until night ? and at what time in this night ? .
Hajj you'll perform it Insha'allah like us, there is no mentioning in how to do it in Quran, so why you're going to perfom it like us ?
ah and Zakat you'll not take how to pay it from Hadith, you'll use Quran which there is no mentioning in the way and the some that you are going to give .
Prayers, fasting, Hajj like muslims sunni, but zakat and other things no my own way . is that make sense ?
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You're praying like us, you're fasting like us and you'll perform Hajj if God willing like us. Well you're contradicting Quran .
so you're saying you are contradicting Quran.Who says Im praying fasting etc like you?
The way we pray is because people saw the prophet how he prayed and we inherted it through generations, it is not in Quran , so why do you take it ?
who said I did it like you? Quran tells me to pray and establish regular prayer.fasting , Quran says until night , so why you're performing fasting like sunnah muslims ? and what God meant by until night ? and at what time in this night ? .
who said I do it like you?Hajj you'll perform it Insha'allah like us, there is no mentioning in how to do it in Quran, so why you're going to perfom it like us ?
who said I would do it like you?ah and Zakat you'll not take how to pay it from Hadith, you'll use Quran which there is no mentioning in the way and the some that you are going to give .
The instruction is to pay zakat REGULARLY and its in most of the same verses as 'establish regular prayer' so how come you only pay zakat once a year and pray 5 times a day, how do you distinguish 'regular' in those verse to mean that?Prayers, fasting, Hajj like muslims sunni, but zakat and other things no my own way . is that make sense ?
No it doesnt but thats NOT what I said and is your brain (or lack of) that has decided that is what I said. No wonder you twist all the verses, you are not THINKING when you READ.
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by the way Thereformer1, you seem to have 'overlooked' the questions I asked regarding the hadith you asked for. It is here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600475.30
I would appreciate your wisdom in explaining which verses of Quran these hadith 'explain' please.
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The way we pray is because people saw the prophet how he prayed and we inherted it through generations, it is not in Quran , so why do you take it ?
So you are alleging that he did not pray in earlier forty years or so when Qur'aan was not communicated to him.
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The way we pray is because people saw the prophet how he prayed and we inherted it through generations, it is not in Quran, so why do you take it ?
Classic sign of disbelief as evidenced by quran.
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Who says Im praying fasting etc like you?
So , how do you pray ? with proof from Quran with numvers of Raka'at and what to say in sallat in prostrating, with all details of sallat , please a proof from Quran .
So for fasting, the time of breaking the fasting ?
who said I did it like you? Quran tells me to pray and establish regular prayer.
How ? proof from Quran , how this regular prayer should be? let me remind you that you didn't even know if the prayers two or three or five as you proved before to you
who said I do it like you?
So how you do it ?
who said I would do it like you?
The instruction is to pay zakat REGULARLY and its in most of the same verses as 'establish regular prayer' so how come you only pay zakat once a year and pray 5 times a day, how do you distinguish 'regular' in those verse to mean that?ok, proof that from Quran with verses and explanation of every verse.
No it doesnt but thats NOT what I said and is your brain (or lack of) that has decided that is what I said. No wonder you twist all the verses, you are not THINKING when you READ.
Yes, you're thinking , so bring to me every verse of what God means by regular prayer and how to perfom it with what to say in every prayer and how much are ? and how much rakk'at are ? and where is the doher in Quran ? and what God mean by the middle prayer ? and why Zakat not mentioned ho pay it ? and the some that you will pay ? and how to perform Hajj with every rules of being accepted ? .
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by the way Thereformer1, you seem to have 'overlooked' the questions I asked regarding the hadith you asked for. It is here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600475.30
I would appreciate your wisdom in explaining which verses of Quran these hadith 'explain' please.
No, you would appreciate something else.
And you'll get your answer after answering the question in the thread which was the subject .Read the P.S in the thread.
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The Prophet can only judge in accordance to the Quran (4/105 and 5/4. He's not around anymore to run the show so all we have are words of people we may not be able to trust.
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I'm not blind, stop trying to avoid the truth. The verses that I gave you are the ones that you pointed out and the subject was the book , in the verse 33 there is no book.
Dear Thereformer1,
I did not say you are blind. I am saying that you put the wrong translation for the verses 3531,32. Rub your eyes and check it again. It is your own QUOTATION. Just open The Qur'aan and check it out instead of copying and pasting from other sources! Here is your QUOTATION.
3531 { Then We gave the Book the Qur'?n) for inheritance to such of Our slaves whom We chose (the followers of Muhammad SAW). Then of them are some who wrong their ownselves, and of them are some who follow a middle course, and of them are some who are, by All?h's Leave, foremost in good deeds. That (inheritance of the Qur'?n), that is indeed a great grace. 32{ 'Adn (Eden) Paradise (everlasting Gardens) will they enter, therein will they be adorned with bracelets of gold and pearls, and their garments there will be of silk (i.e. in Paradise).}
Peace,
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So , how do you pray ? with proof from Quran with numvers of Raka'at and what to say in sallat in prostrating, with all details of sallat , please a proof from Quran .
267-71 is for what you are doing.for prayer 22, 243, 245, 283, 2153, 2177, 2238, 2277, 443, 477, 4101-103, 4142, 4162, 56, 512, 555, 558, 591, 5106, 672, 692, 6162, 717, 83, 835, 95, 918, 954, 971, 9103, 1087, 1187, 11114, 1322, 1431, 1437, 1440, 1778, 17110, 1931, 1955, 1958-59, 2014, 20132, 2173, 2235, 2241, 2278, 232, 2437, 2441, 2456, 2458, 273, 2945, 3031, 314, 3117, 3215, 3333, 3518, 3529, 4238, 5813, 629, 6210, 7023, 7034, 7320, 985, 1071-7.
If there is not enough details there that you have to look elsewhere you are doing what is done in 267-71.
So for fasting, the time of breaking the fasting ?
How ? proof from Quran , how this regular prayer should be? let me remind you that you didn't even know if the prayers two or three or five as you proved before to you
I am sure there will be as many detailed verses as there are for salat, I suggest YOU go look for them and stop wasting MY time. remember 267-71So how you do it ?
ok, proof that from Quran with verses and explanation of every verse.
You go look for it, I dont have to justify myself or my belief to you and have already shown you MANY verses which YOU choose to ignore, so why waste any more of my time when you claim to know it all better than anyone? MY soul is not YOUR problem.Yes, you're thinking , so bring to me every verse of what God means by regular prayer and how to perfom it with what to say in every prayer and how much are ? and how much rakk'at are ? and where is the doher in Quran ? and what God mean by the middle prayer ? and why Zakat not mentioned ho pay it ? and the some that you will pay ? and how to perform Hajj with every rules of being accepted ? .
you are wanting me to prove what YOU THOUGHT I said?
see above, I am not going through collecting all the verses etc when you wont even bother looking because you dont WANT to know. Now go answer MY questions I asked and stop avoiding them because you KNOW I am right.
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Now go answer MY questions I asked and stop avoiding them because you KNOW I am right.
Of course he won't, he did the same thing on the other thread. -
Somoeone should challenge him to a proper formal debate and restrict him running amuck in here as per rule 2.
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Are you volunteering aq? Mano a creatureo? Sounds great )
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Somoeone should challenge him to a proper formal debate and restrict him running amuck in here as per rule 2.
I agree, that would be most interesting, but would be preferable a new debate thread just him and the person, nobody else could post in but could see. Dunno if thats possible without a lot of messing around in the 'mechanics' of the forum though? sorry brain dead, cant think of word I want ;D
I nominated savage_carrot bravo
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Hell no, I have had jaw surgery less painful than "debate" with Th1... Let aq have the second match and it's curtains.
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Sure, i dont mind. Keep the topic very tight and simple.
Ayisha, the mods can delete anyone who posts there.