Future question.
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I understand that Allah knows what will happen in the future and what the prophet will say, but I still don't understand how the prophet (pbuh) will say his people have deserted this Qu'ran if he does not know the future and was able to see his people deserting the Qu'ran in the future till the end times?
Or is it supposed to mean as the prophet (pbuh) is watching his people being judged, he will remark in dismay that his people have deserted the Qu'ran?
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"And the messenger said 'My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran.'" 2530
That is what the site's translation says.
Quran means "recitation".
It can't possibly mean the book because it wasn't written yet.This what a scribe is quoting him as saying.
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We don't know the exact schedule of events on that day but we are given many verses from which we can get a better picture and maybe even some chronology. Searching for these verses, we see that some people can and will speak, records will be given, we will be able to tell who made it and who didn't etc. Perhaps then, given many who didn't make it from a particular group, and from what they say etc it will be obvious that they deserted the quran and it's message to land in God's black books? It's like a teacher looking at the final dismal scores posted for the term and saying to the class, you fools, why did you not study your books.
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If you go with...
Then the Messenger will say "O my Lord! Truly my people took this Qur'an for just foolish nonsense."It is also conditional... or can be.
It is a way to speak in English that isn't necessarily a prediction.This is why English is difficult for some people.
Because the same word can have several meanings that seem to not be in sync. -
Ok there is a verse in which the prophet (pbuh) says he cannot predict the future, as if he could he would have made himself a rich man.
And there is a verse which says on judgement day, the prophet (pbuh) will complain that his people deserted the Qu'ran. Why is this second verse not a contradiction of the verse in which he says he cannot see the future?
Salaam Dear AK85,
The verse 2530 informs us of the events of the Last Day, in which the Prophet(pbuh) will complain about his people who had deserted The Qru?aan during their life of this world. Here GOD is speaking, not Muhammad. GOD is the one who knows all about the future events including the events of the LAST DAY. The Prophet himself had no clue at all, untill this verse was revealed. To understand it better just go back a few verses. Insha?Allah you find the correct answer to it.
Peace,
Khalil -
Or is it supposed to mean as the prophet (pbuh) is watching his people being judged, he will remark in dismay that his people have deserted the Qu'ran?
you know, kind of like remarking on the obvious, like when you see a guard dog barking viciously at someone it doesn't recognize and you say "Wow, he ain't too friendly eh" remarking on the obvious which you are observing
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We don't know the exact schedule of events on that day but we are given many verses from which we can get a better picture and maybe even some chronology. Searching for these verses, we see that some people can and will speak, records will be given, we will be able to tell who made it and who didn't etc. Perhaps then, given many who didn't make it from a particular group, and from what they say etc it will be obvious that they deserted the quran and it's message to land in God's black books? It's like a teacher looking at the final dismal scores posted for the term and saying to the class, you fools, why did you not study your books.
Yeah, I think that last sentence of yours is where I'm coming from as well, remarking on the obvious after observing it. I'm glad you guys helped me understand )
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Salaam Dear AK85,
The verse 2530 informs us of the events of the Last Day, in which the Prophet(pbuh) will complain about his people who had deserted The Qru?aan during their life of this world. Here GOD is speaking, not Muhammad. GOD is the one who knows all about the future events including the events of the LAST DAY. The Prophet himself had no clue at all, untill this verse was revealed. To understand it better just go back a few verses. Insha?Allah you find the correct answer to it.
Peace,
KhalilNo I understand the prophet had no clue and that everything in the Qu'ran is God speaking. However I think I have understood now, thank you )
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But that's the case with most languages. peace
It is all about the recitation. When we communicate with each other, words convey only a small part of "the message". Our brains deduce the "message" by doing some complex decomposition of the sound input then analysing it for patterns. With words, one can convey definite unambiguous meaning (dense scientific literature is the best example) but most of us don't haven't developed our skills to that level and it does take the excitement out of speech.
So we rely on removing the ambiguity by tuning into how the words are recited. Suppose you are your brain and you hear a sentence, you decompose the analog signal into definite words and you can imagine that it colours in parts of the signal where there are "words". As long as those coloured in shapes are present in the signal then those words will be heard irrespective of the accent. The next part of deducing the meaning is decomposing the accents, the individual syllables, etc, correlating it with previously stored patterns, blah blah blah, until we get to "the message", a clear waveform in the brain which is identical to the waveform that originated in the brain of the other person.
As such, there is profound wisdom in why the quran is not merely a book, but a recitation.