what is Quran
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peace Ali,
Hope some one can shed light and try to clarify to me that in what way the preservence of Quran is different from the Hadith.
From
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599274.msg226873#msg226873A commonly stated argument by those who wish to raise traditional heresay/ahadith to divine-status level is that its compilation was the same as The Quran.
Is that really true? Lets look at the simple and obvious facts...
The Quran = God's Word
Ahadith = man's wordThe Quran = 100% fact/truth/perfect
Ahadith = mix of truth and falsehood (hence weak and strong hadith)The Quran = recorded under the DIRECT supervision of prophet Muhammad
Ahadith = not recorded under the DIRECT supervision of prophet MuhammadThe Quran = written AND memorised word for word as soon as it was transmitted
Ahadith = no-one ever claimed to record and memorise ahadith word for word as soon as it was transmittedThe Quran = protected explicitly by God Himself as stated in The Quran
Ahadith = no such explicit protection statedThe Quran = no Muslim doubts its credibility
Ahadith = each sect has its own versions, weak & strong ones etcThe Quran = in-built verification mechanism, e.g. challenges others to find inconsistancy, bring a chapter like it etc.
Ahadith = no such in-built mechanism, full of inconsistancies etc. -
I'd like to add to Wakas's list if I may
Quran very aware of itself, meaning it talks about itself and tells the reader how to read it.
hadith not aware of itself, meaning not defined in its boundaries, doesnt know its collector or collections. -
OPF
Regardless, the message sounds very nice although it does not appear divine in my eyes
Yes brother that is my point! people who study Quran for the first time, who have not what so ever information about it, think the same way as you did, some are even harsher.
Mazhar I am sorry, there was a spelling mistake
the link is suralikeit.com and not surahlikeit.com
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Wakas
How did you arrive at this conclusion that Quran=God's word, and The Quran=100%exactly what i want to know! seems that its been already decided and agreed upon by all , that Quran is God's word! and the proof is the reading itself,wah?
what if i pick up a random chapter(surah) and add one line of classical arab poetry , some where in between , would some one be able to identify just by reading it that which words are added i.e not from God , provided he or she hasnt memorized all ? -
exactly what i want to know! seems that its been already decided and agreed upon by all , that Quran is God's word! and the proof is the reading itself,wah?
what if i pick up a random chapter(surah) and add one line of classical arab poetry , some where in between , would some one be able to identify just by reading it that which words are added i.e not from God , provided he or she hasnt memorized all ?It is not merely a specific component about the book, rather it is where it stands in reality. Now it's not difficult to write a book with no contradictions but somehow I sincerely doubt anyone on Earth could write a book about humanity's place in the universe and conveniently answer all the major questions in brief, elegant one liners and also put in mechanisms to prevent the original message from getting distorted. Any such book would end up being identical in message to the quran IMO.
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Wakas
How did you arrive at this conclusion that Quran=God's word, and The Quran=100%all you have to do is to find one contradiction in the quran and... BOOM... you are free! Quran is no longer binding on you!
to help you find contradictions of quran http//www.answering-islam.org/ ...to find more just google!
And once you find the contradictions but still you want to believe just try Lane Lexicon.... and more lexicons.... until you are satisfied... peace
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exactly what i want to know! seems that its been already decided and agreed upon by all , that Quran is God's word! and the proof is the reading itself,wah?
what if i pick up a random chapter(surah) and add one line of classical arab poetry , some where in between , would some one be able to identify just by reading it that which words are added i.e not from God , provided he or she hasnt memorized all ?There are people on Earth who believe that if anything is removed or added in the quran the internal code (code-19) of the book will be broken. So far they have found two verses of quran that were added later 9128-129. To find out about these people just google. thanks
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It is not merely a specific component about the book, rather it is where it stands in reality. Now it's not difficult to write a book with no contradictions but somehow I sincerely doubt anyone on Earth could write a book about humanity's place in the universe and conveniently answer all the major questions in brief, elegant one liners and also put in mechanisms to prevent the original message from getting distorted. Any such book would end up being identical in message to the quran IMO.
doesn't the book claim that "like of it" cannot be produced?
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There are people on Earth who believe that if anything is removed or added in the quran the internal code (code-19) of the book will be broken. So far they have found two verses of quran that were added later 9128-129. To find out about these people just google. thanks
now the discussion is taking some what interesting turn, rather than few empty claims .. i never knew dat .. only thing is been fed to me that rashad khalifa was a kaffir..
ali
