Taking off the Hijab
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Wow..this must be the longest thread on this forum!
Peace all,
Just wanted to say that this is a very interesting topic and that I can totally sympathise with all you ladies. I too am in this predicament and wished that taking the hijab off could be as easy as switching on a light bulb. I've been wearing the hijab for 25 years and it feels like my second skin almost. Taking it off would be like a death sentence. Not only for myself but my whole family.
You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. (
Peace sis
i know exactly how you feel, i so badly want to stop wearing it, intentionally trying to make yourself uglier will make anyone feel unconfident, i could handle feeling like that when it was for a higher reason but now it feels like i'm a walking talking lie, i feel like a sign post for cultural Islam it's something i'm trying to avoid but then i take it everywhere with me. it feels so stupid.
if i didnt take anyone in to consideration my hijab would have been off as soon as i realised it wasnt part of islam, but my family would be so saddened and other extremely important people in my life would never see me the same. i fear may never bother to see me completely.
if i was to hear this coming from anyone i'd just tell them to follow their heart and do what they think is right if they care they'll be there and if not well maybe it was a test to prove how much you meant to them, it's just so hard taking this advice myself, im truly scared.
so my only advice to you and me and all the other sisters confused about this is to take it in their stride, not wearing it is a massive step, life will change it'll be different in both good and bad ways. and to make a decision either way they are content with the horrid bit in limbo isnt good for anyone and always feeling like this will leave you with many ifs and buts and not much happiness.
out of courisity could everyone tell me what the consider 'modest' clothing on a woman outside of the headscarf?
this isnt for me to base my decision on i'm just interested to see what answers are out there
thanks
hope your all really well
Umi
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Anything that does not generally attract the wrong kind of attention is modest dress or attire. I say generally, because diseased minds usually do not need much encouagement to look indecently or otherwise wrong at women other people no matter what. On the other hand there is nothing wrong with admiring personality or beauty or intelligency, so peole will look and listen to somebody interesting enough for whatever reason and without anything wrong in mind.
Salaam
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Peace be upon you,
with all due Respect.We are all aware from The Quran, that veil, hijab, niqab and burqa are not obligatory clothing for a woman and that it is part of a tradition which is not conencted to Islam.
However, if a women feels the need to cover herlsef and if she wants to wear hijab or those other dresses, then she can, i don't have a problerm with that. What must be understood here is that it is not oblitgatory.
I consider modest clothing the one which does not speak for you. Oxford street here in London is just one of the bussiest streets in Westminster and i see women wear hijabs and those who wear only underwear. I'm not kidding. There is a third group as well. The third group is the one that i like they are dressed according to The Quran and wear at least 60% less make up then girls and women wearing hijab and just underwear, yet, the third group somehow attracts me more.
I'm not saying that i am not attracted to women who wear hijabs and those that are two steps from being naked, I am, it's just that in this case, modesty speaks for itself and it speaks volumes.
Regaridng taking the hijab off when you feel it's time to take it off, then take it off. Being pressured into taking it off seems same as being presured into putting it on. Just my view. Would love to hear feedback though.
God bless you and may God give you more Strength, especially sisters.
Keep up the prayers and read Quran after the prayers.
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Anything that does not generally attract the wrong kind of attention is modest dress or attire.
That's how I see it as well. Apart from that, what I wear depends on the circumstances. In Egypt, I always wear long sleeves and long pants / skirts, and I also avoid wearing anything body-hugging in public. In Europe, I wear whatever I feel like.
I believe modesty is more defined by behaviour etc. You can be modest in a tank top, and you can be covered up from head to toe and be provocative at the same time.
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Peace Umi,
I think that modesty in clothing is loose clothing but most importantly, it covers the bosoms. If you're not comfortable enough to run in those trousers then you're doing something wrong P If your breathing is restricted by that t-shirt, you know it's perhaps not the best choice. Alhamdulillah, even though there are a lot of immodest fashions out there today, there are a LOT of ways to dress very modestly and many clothings in the high street stores that cater to more modest shoppers. Although, I do think that consumerism and modesty are interlinked. Can you really be called modest if you cover properly but you buy all the latest fashions and are so preoccupied with new clothes, best brand shoes and too much clothes to fit in your wardrobe. I don't think that modesty is straight forward as a Hijab or looser trousers, it even encompasses how you carry yourself, your attitude, your ideals and your approach to clothing. Thankfully though, frivolous spending does nothing for me. I remember spending quite a bit of money once on some lovely clothes and the next day I felt so disgusted with myself that I returned that which wasn't necessary. I learned early on that so long as you're appearance is clean and presentable and keeping within the bounds of modesty, you're alright.
These are just my opinions though, take them as such  
Peace
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Peace,
Respect.I agree with sisters here.
I see teenage muslimahs wearing hijab and on top of it they wear latest fashion.
It just doesn't sit well, i'm sorry.
I mean, i don't get it. She's wearing a hijab, her head is covered and on top of the hijab she's wearing a miniskirt. How does that work anyway?God knows best and may God guide them.
Maybe deep dopwn those girls don't want hijab ...... hmm
God knows best.
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Peace,
Respect.I agree with sisters here.
I see teenage muslimahs wearing hijab and on top of it they wear latest fashion.
It just doesn't sit well, i'm sorry.
I mean, i don't get it. She's wearing a hijab, her head is covered and on top of the hijab she's wearing a miniskirt. How does that work anyway?God knows best and may God guide them.
Maybe deep dopwn those girls don't want hijab ...... hmm
God knows best.
Peace.What's wrong with wearing the hijab and being fashionable?
I've never seen a woman wearing a hijab and a miniskirt. -
What's wrong with wearing the hijab and being fashionable?
I've never seen a woman wearing a hijab and a miniskirt.Peace,
Respect.Nothing's wrong with being fashionable, i've just seen certain miniskirts which don't excactly go with the hijab.
I've seen hijab-wearing sister who are fashionable; hijab, sunglasses, high heels, walking decent and i think that's acceptable, since she wasn't tempting, she was beautiful.It's the intention of the heart i believe, correct?
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What's wrong with wearing the hijab and being fashionable?
I've never seen a woman wearing a hijab and a miniskirt.Salaam,
Not miniskirt... but believe it or not, I have seen a woman wearing a hijab and a sleeveless top s. But I am not making any judgment. They're just human beings like us.
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Salaam,
Not miniskirt... but believe it or not, I have seen a woman wearing a hijab and a sleeveless top s. But I am not making any judgment. They're just human beings like us.
Peace,
Respect.I believe that those sisters maybe doubt/question sunnah and hadith .......
God knows best.
I'd say their Logic is winning.
God knows best.Peace.
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They're just human beings like us.
laugh
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Peace Umi,
I think that modesty in clothing is loose clothing but most importantly, it covers the bosoms. If you're not comfortable enough to run in those trousers then you're doing something wrong P If your breathing is restricted by that t-shirt, you know it's perhaps not the best choice. Alhamdulillah, even though there are a lot of immodest fashions out there today, there are a LOT of ways to dress very modestly and many clothings in the high street stores that cater to more modest shoppers. Although, I do think that consumerism and modesty are interlinked. Can you really be called modest if you cover properly but you buy all the latest fashions and are so preoccupied with new clothes, best brand shoes and too much clothes to fit in your wardrobe. I don't think that modesty is straight forward as a Hijab or looser trousers, it even encompasses how you carry yourself, your attitude, your ideals and your approach to clothing. Thankfully though, frivolous spending does nothing for me. I remember spending quite a bit of money once on some lovely clothes and the next day I felt so disgusted with myself that I returned that which wasn't necessary. I learned early on that so long as you're appearance is clean and presentable and keeping within the bounds of modesty, you're alright.
These are just my opinions though, take them as such  
Peace
Hey Sirius
Thanks for your input! i've always said modesty is far more than just what cloths you choose to wear too.
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very true
thus women should not be forced to wear hijab because some men could not contain their lustPeace
For an essay/text about lust (and love), i recommend
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600988.0
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peace to all
Abraham's father threatened to stone him to death for his beliefs. Abraham persevered.
I don't doubt people in this thread who have spoken will actually receive negative reactions from their family. I'm sure it was not easy for Abraham at all for his own father to threaten him with death because of his beliefs.
You should defend your beliefs and not be "gutless" about it. Sorry if I come across as cold and unsympathetic, but I don't know what else kind of input I can possibly give on this topic. Elucidate your views clearly, if you believe that it is not in the Qu'ran then argue clearly when you face opposition. Those with knowledge who speak up and display it (not out of vain) are an influence on others. You may not realize it, but you will be strengthening and positively influencing others in the same and similar positions to be as courageous as you are.
At the very worst you may die for it, but you will die for fighting in Allah's cause. I don't know how idealistic people on here are, but that is a great thing to die for don't be scared and worried about losing this life. Fear Allah and going against what you yourself have stated you know is not necessary. And remember once again that your courage will influence others.
I for one would defend you in anyway necessary if I was in your proximity and saw some kind of negative reaction. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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FAR You can judge the females here all you like and you can use any study you wish but what you cannot bring is the most crucial thing. You can NOT find ANYWHERE in the book of Allah (swt) 'COVER YOUR THE HAIR ON YOUR HEAD'.
So PLEASE stop ranting.
If MEN go deaf when they see a woman then HOW ABOUT perhaps THEY follow the Quran when it says LOWER YOUR GAZE!
I couldn't be bothered to read all that judgemental tripe you posted.
This debate will be over and I will stand corrected the minute you show me where Allah commands women to cover the hair on their head. Until then, you can whip yourself into a frenzy.
Peace
neither could I. (the tripe he posted)
I shook my head figuratively at his smug description of himself, his muay thai skills and calling Sarah a donkey.
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oh I do understand sir, I understand because our local veg man felt the need to touch me while I was fully covered and during Ramadan, I understand because the man who collects the rubbish felt the need to put his foot in the door and try to get inside, with his dick in his hand under his galabaya, also during Ramadan, I understand because the local butcher felt the need to grab me from behind while the Quran was playing on the tv in his shop, I fully understand that its MEN that have a problem and not me who needs to cover myself up, all these happened while in a MUSLIM country while I WAS wearing the hijab. >
peace
yeah that's...I don't know what to say that's just horrible
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peace to all
Abraham's father threatened to stone him to death for his beliefs. Abraham persevered.
I don't doubt people in this thread who have spoken will actually receive negative reactions from their family. I'm sure it was not easy for Abraham at all for his own father to threaten him with death because of his beliefs.
You should defend your beliefs and not be "gutless" about it. Sorry if I come across as cold and unsympathetic, but I don't know what else kind of input I can possibly give on this topic. Elucidate your views clearly, if you believe that it is not in the Qu'ran then argue clearly when you face opposition. Those with knowledge who speak up and display it (not out of vain) are an influence on others. You may not realize it, but you will be strengthening and positively influencing others in the same and similar positions to be as courageous as you are.
At the very worst you may die for it, but you will die for fighting in Allah's cause. I don't know how idealistic people on here are, but that is a great thing to die for don't be scared and worried about losing this life. Fear Allah and going against what you yourself have stated you know is not necessary. And remember once again that your courage will influence others.
I for one would defend you in anyway necessary if I was in your proximity and saw some kind of negative reaction. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Peace AK85,
I don't think it's just an issue of being afraid to be confronted about my convictions although I won't lie to you, that is a part of it. I did take it off for a few days a while ago in an unfamiliar place and I remembered one of the main reasons I put it on; men. Literally five minutes after a took it off I had a shop-keeper eyeing me up. Needless to say I stayed indoors for most of the time I was away but when I did leave the house the same sort of thing was happening. Maybe I had something in my hair , you never know or maybe it's just my luck that I run into pervs. In those few days without Hijab I came across more sickos than in over a year with it.
As soon as I was on my way back home I put it straight back on. Being in an obscure area without Hijab is OK, but in the city, not such a good idea. Some men somehow get the idea that they can talk to you and harass you if they feel like it and they feel they have a right to your personal phone number and if you disagree with them on that point, they will harass you even more.
I'm perfectly convinced that it's not a religious obligation and although timid, I'm ready to fight my corner in regards to that belief, but taking it off doesn't just invite those who are adamant that it's compulsory (without proof incidentally) to harass me but also men. I generally just felt quite naked with it off.
I was seriously considering taking it off full time until this...