Taking off the Hijab
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What's wrong with wearing the hijab and being fashionable?
I've never seen a woman wearing a hijab and a miniskirt.Peace,
Respect.Nothing's wrong with being fashionable, i've just seen certain miniskirts which don't excactly go with the hijab.
I've seen hijab-wearing sister who are fashionable; hijab, sunglasses, high heels, walking decent and i think that's acceptable, since she wasn't tempting, she was beautiful.It's the intention of the heart i believe, correct?
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What's wrong with wearing the hijab and being fashionable?
I've never seen a woman wearing a hijab and a miniskirt.Salaam,
Not miniskirt... but believe it or not, I have seen a woman wearing a hijab and a sleeveless top s. But I am not making any judgment. They're just human beings like us.
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Salaam,
Not miniskirt... but believe it or not, I have seen a woman wearing a hijab and a sleeveless top s. But I am not making any judgment. They're just human beings like us.
Peace,
Respect.I believe that those sisters maybe doubt/question sunnah and hadith .......
God knows best.
I'd say their Logic is winning.
God knows best.Peace.
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They're just human beings like us.
laugh
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Peace Umi,
I think that modesty in clothing is loose clothing but most importantly, it covers the bosoms. If you're not comfortable enough to run in those trousers then you're doing something wrong P If your breathing is restricted by that t-shirt, you know it's perhaps not the best choice. Alhamdulillah, even though there are a lot of immodest fashions out there today, there are a LOT of ways to dress very modestly and many clothings in the high street stores that cater to more modest shoppers. Although, I do think that consumerism and modesty are interlinked. Can you really be called modest if you cover properly but you buy all the latest fashions and are so preoccupied with new clothes, best brand shoes and too much clothes to fit in your wardrobe. I don't think that modesty is straight forward as a Hijab or looser trousers, it even encompasses how you carry yourself, your attitude, your ideals and your approach to clothing. Thankfully though, frivolous spending does nothing for me. I remember spending quite a bit of money once on some lovely clothes and the next day I felt so disgusted with myself that I returned that which wasn't necessary. I learned early on that so long as you're appearance is clean and presentable and keeping within the bounds of modesty, you're alright.
These are just my opinions though, take them as such  
Peace
Hey Sirius
Thanks for your input! i've always said modesty is far more than just what cloths you choose to wear too.
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very true
thus women should not be forced to wear hijab because some men could not contain their lustPeace
For an essay/text about lust (and love), i recommend
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600988.0
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peace to all
Abraham's father threatened to stone him to death for his beliefs. Abraham persevered.
I don't doubt people in this thread who have spoken will actually receive negative reactions from their family. I'm sure it was not easy for Abraham at all for his own father to threaten him with death because of his beliefs.
You should defend your beliefs and not be "gutless" about it. Sorry if I come across as cold and unsympathetic, but I don't know what else kind of input I can possibly give on this topic. Elucidate your views clearly, if you believe that it is not in the Qu'ran then argue clearly when you face opposition. Those with knowledge who speak up and display it (not out of vain) are an influence on others. You may not realize it, but you will be strengthening and positively influencing others in the same and similar positions to be as courageous as you are.
At the very worst you may die for it, but you will die for fighting in Allah's cause. I don't know how idealistic people on here are, but that is a great thing to die for don't be scared and worried about losing this life. Fear Allah and going against what you yourself have stated you know is not necessary. And remember once again that your courage will influence others.
I for one would defend you in anyway necessary if I was in your proximity and saw some kind of negative reaction. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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FAR You can judge the females here all you like and you can use any study you wish but what you cannot bring is the most crucial thing. You can NOT find ANYWHERE in the book of Allah (swt) 'COVER YOUR THE HAIR ON YOUR HEAD'.
So PLEASE stop ranting.
If MEN go deaf when they see a woman then HOW ABOUT perhaps THEY follow the Quran when it says LOWER YOUR GAZE!
I couldn't be bothered to read all that judgemental tripe you posted.
This debate will be over and I will stand corrected the minute you show me where Allah commands women to cover the hair on their head. Until then, you can whip yourself into a frenzy.
Peace
neither could I. (the tripe he posted)
I shook my head figuratively at his smug description of himself, his muay thai skills and calling Sarah a donkey.
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oh I do understand sir, I understand because our local veg man felt the need to touch me while I was fully covered and during Ramadan, I understand because the man who collects the rubbish felt the need to put his foot in the door and try to get inside, with his dick in his hand under his galabaya, also during Ramadan, I understand because the local butcher felt the need to grab me from behind while the Quran was playing on the tv in his shop, I fully understand that its MEN that have a problem and not me who needs to cover myself up, all these happened while in a MUSLIM country while I WAS wearing the hijab. >
peace
yeah that's...I don't know what to say that's just horrible
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peace to all
Abraham's father threatened to stone him to death for his beliefs. Abraham persevered.
I don't doubt people in this thread who have spoken will actually receive negative reactions from their family. I'm sure it was not easy for Abraham at all for his own father to threaten him with death because of his beliefs.
You should defend your beliefs and not be "gutless" about it. Sorry if I come across as cold and unsympathetic, but I don't know what else kind of input I can possibly give on this topic. Elucidate your views clearly, if you believe that it is not in the Qu'ran then argue clearly when you face opposition. Those with knowledge who speak up and display it (not out of vain) are an influence on others. You may not realize it, but you will be strengthening and positively influencing others in the same and similar positions to be as courageous as you are.
At the very worst you may die for it, but you will die for fighting in Allah's cause. I don't know how idealistic people on here are, but that is a great thing to die for don't be scared and worried about losing this life. Fear Allah and going against what you yourself have stated you know is not necessary. And remember once again that your courage will influence others.
I for one would defend you in anyway necessary if I was in your proximity and saw some kind of negative reaction. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Peace AK85,
I don't think it's just an issue of being afraid to be confronted about my convictions although I won't lie to you, that is a part of it. I did take it off for a few days a while ago in an unfamiliar place and I remembered one of the main reasons I put it on; men. Literally five minutes after a took it off I had a shop-keeper eyeing me up. Needless to say I stayed indoors for most of the time I was away but when I did leave the house the same sort of thing was happening. Maybe I had something in my hair , you never know or maybe it's just my luck that I run into pervs. In those few days without Hijab I came across more sickos than in over a year with it.
As soon as I was on my way back home I put it straight back on. Being in an obscure area without Hijab is OK, but in the city, not such a good idea. Some men somehow get the idea that they can talk to you and harass you if they feel like it and they feel they have a right to your personal phone number and if you disagree with them on that point, they will harass you even more.
I'm perfectly convinced that it's not a religious obligation and although timid, I'm ready to fight my corner in regards to that belief, but taking it off doesn't just invite those who are adamant that it's compulsory (without proof incidentally) to harass me but also men. I generally just felt quite naked with it off.
I was seriously considering taking it off full time until this...
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Hey Sirius
Thanks for your input! i've always said modesty is far more than just what cloths you choose to wear too.
surely your choices are affected by the level of your modesty. Women who choose to wear revealing clothes are not considered modest! May God give them some wisdom.
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surely your choices are affected by the level of your modesty. Women who choose to wear revealing clothes are not considered modest! May God give them some wisdom.
i'd agree, if someone chooses to wear revealing cloths their choice wasnt a very modest one, my point was that modesty isnt just about the cloths someones wears.
i've met very rude and arrogant or very pleasant a righteous naqabies and women in low-cup tops and short skirts. it just goes to show cloths dont make someone modest,, theres loads of character choices that define a persons modesty levels.
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peace to all
Abraham's father threatened to stone him to death for his beliefs. Abraham persevered.
I disagree. Apples and oranges. Abraham wasn't threatened BECAUSE of his beliefs, but that Abraham insisted on calling his father out on his nonsensical beliefs,rituals, etc. Also, Abraham was going to be burnt alive due to his persistence ...Let's be practical here. Read the context of 1946 carefully.
The purpose of the dress code is to prevent harassment/being harmed/annoyance (3359). If Sirius feels she is being harassed with it off, I think there's nothing wrong with her wearing it.It depends on your intent. A Quranic dress code deters harassment. That's the golden rule. You just can't say x is COMPULSORY.
Peace
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As soon as I was on my way back home I put it straight back on. Being in an obscure area without Hijab is OK, but in the city, not such a good idea. Some men somehow get the idea that they can talk to you and harass you if they feel like it and they feel they have a right to your personal phone number and if you disagree with them on that point, they will harass you even more.
I'm perfectly convinced that it's not a religious obligation and although timid, I'm ready to fight my corner in regards to that belief, but taking it off doesn't just invite those who are adamant that it's compulsory (without proof incidentally) to harass me but also men. I generally just felt quite naked with it off.
I was seriously considering taking it off full time until this...
Don't people harass you in the scarf? Muslims in particular, they can also feel the right to have your personal number...
You've been wearing it for some time so I can imagine that you would feel naked without it..
You know though I have noticed everyone I know who's worn it has had issues with their hair, especially over a longer period. don't neglect your health.
BTW ever been in an area with hardly any muslims or scarfies? watch how they eye you out
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The purpose of the dress code is to prevent harassment/being harmed/annoyance (3359). If Sirius feels she is being harassed with it off, I think there's nothing wrong with her wearing it.
It depends on your intent. A Quranic dress code deters harassment. That's the golden rule. You just can't say x is COMPULSORY.
Situational
http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/dress-code-women-veil.htm -
Peace AK85,
I don't think it's just an issue of being afraid to be confronted about my convictions although I won't lie to you, that is a part of it. I did take it off for a few days a while ago in an unfamiliar place and I remembered one of the main reasons I put it on; men. Literally five minutes after a took it off I had a shop-keeper eyeing me up. Needless to say I stayed indoors for most of the time I was away but when I did leave the house the same sort of thing was happening. Maybe I had something in my hair P, you never know or maybe it's just my luck that I run into pervs. In those few days without Hijab I came across more sickos than in over a year with it.
As soon as I was on my way back home I put it straight back on. Being in an obscure area without Hijab is OK, but in the city, not such a good idea. Some men somehow get the idea that they can talk to you and harass you if they feel like it and they feel they have a right to your personal phone number and if you disagree with them on that point, they will harass you even more.
I'm perfectly convinced that it's not a religious obligation and although timid, I'm ready to fight my corner in regards to that belief, but taking it off doesn't just invite those who are adamant that it's compulsory (without proof incidentally) to harass me but also men. I generally just felt quite naked with it off.
I was seriously considering taking it off full time until this...
I'm not sure if thats enough of a reason to justify hijab, i wont disagree with your choice, but i just think in day to day life i dont feel very protected by wearing it.
when out i generally feel like i stick out like a sore thumb, and men on many occasions will approach me, call me over or eye me up. its degrading, embarrassing and makes me feel like i want to disappear. this would happen mostly by muslim men which i understand, they see the hijab and presume loads about me, but at the same time i'll still get crap from non muslim men so its clearly not enough of a deterrent. on several occasions i've felt really unsafe this ranges from being followed home at night to being sexually harassed in a mosque.
i have non muslim friends who've had no such problems or even close.
i just think ultimately the problem dosent lie with us, God didnt create us to be a massive problem to society that needs to be hidden as sunnism would suggest, some men are just WEIRD! hijab or not.
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Peace AK85,
I don't think it's just an issue of being afraid to be confronted about my convictions although I won't lie to you, that is a part of it. I did take it off for a few days a while ago in an unfamiliar place and I remembered one of the main reasons I put it on; men. Literally five minutes after a took it off I had a shop-keeper eyeing me up. Needless to say I stayed indoors for most of the time I was away but when I did leave the house the same sort of thing was happening. Maybe I had something in my hair P, you never know or maybe it's just my luck that I run into pervs. In those few days without Hijab I came across more sickos than in over a year with it.
As soon as I was on my way back home I put it straight back on. Being in an obscure area without Hijab is OK, but in the city, not such a good idea. Some men somehow get the idea that they can talk to you and harass you if they feel like it and they feel they have a right to your personal phone number and if you disagree with them on that point, they will harass you even more.
I'm perfectly convinced that it's not a religious obligation and although timid, I'm ready to fight my corner in regards to that belief, but taking it off doesn't just invite those who are adamant that it's compulsory (without proof incidentally) to harass me but also men. I generally just felt quite naked with it off.
I was seriously considering taking it off full time until this...
peace
Allah tests the believers. I'm assuming you weren't half naked and the only thing you were displaying is your hair (oh no!), if so Allah was testing you. Allah tests you with everything, including any and all kinds of security (life, finances etc.) (This is why we should not be scared of death when propagating what we feel are true beliefs of Allah. This can be hard and I'm certainly not saying I am 100% percent never scared of discussing any and all of my beliefs.)
As people have said in this thread if someone gets a hard on from seeing a woman displaying her hair, that man has problems and is a pervert not you. To suggest a woman is "asking for it" or being unfair by displaying her hair is ludicrous. I notice women that reveal much more than their hair and I can control myself. The men who can't have problems, not me.
I am not and will not dare imply that I am 100% courageous about everything that I should be courageous about. Maybe you don't have to argue with these people or even say anything when they pester you and question (why you don't wear the hijab) you. If you in your heart know that you are doing the right thing, do not worry about their slander and insults and backbiting. Your perseverance is your mark of faith and will shine brightly on Judgement Day. Your courage in standing up for your beliefs will inspire others who take notice of it, you may or may not witness this inspiration. They may be inspired by your courage and honesty on this particular subject, or to be courageous and honest against unsavoury odds in general.
My heart goes to women like you and I agree that some men are revolting creatures with no self control.
The following excerpt from this article brought tears to my eyes in regards to this man's courage (http//www.ahl-alquran.com/English/show_article.php?main_id=2614), and hopefully it can inspire you
In the early 1990?s, I was invited by the Egyptian association for religious brotherhood to lecture in a church in Cairo to Muslims and Christians about tolerance. I was warned that there was a suspicious bearded man waiting for me in front of the church.
We talked. He told me that he had spent two months trying to meet me. He told me that he had been a member of secret fanatic organization and was assigned to rebut my discourse, but that my words had changed his and his family?s life. He asked me to join my weekly Friday prayer meeting at my home, and if possible bring his family.
After a month they became Quranists.
