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Is gender-mixed salat in the Mosque forbidden in The Quran?

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    Rasul Hamsa rotfl

    and where exactly is it allowed rotfl

    so you agree that it is not at least forbidden in quran!?

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      Ayisha

      Are the nude calendars of Jesus, Mary or the WRVS ladies? Do you have a link to that or would than only link to your imagination

      Offcourse your imagination has a limit when we talk about west, but when it comes to Muslims...no boundaries

      ? Erotic Bible Calendar by Church Youth Group Dvorak Uncensored ...
      3 Dec 2005 ... A German Protestant youth group has put together a 2006 calendar illustrated with erotic scenes from the Bible. ... Other church traditions see no conflict between nudity and worship. .... Special Deals 4U ...
      www.dvorak.org/.../erotic-bible-calendar-by-church-youth-group/

      Now we have people who claim that everyone is part of the church, that pornography for the cause of Christ, and that it?s all good and not over the line.
      www.minthegap.com/.../church-women-raise-money-with-nude-calendar/

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        IT'S TIME TO END GENDER SEGREGATION IN MOSQUES

        ?Verily, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in their hearts? ? Qur?an 1311

        Peace,
        Respect.

        I agree, 100,000%.
        Best sentence written ever!
        Glory be to God.
        God bless you, sister.

        Peace.

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          To be honest, I find some of the very explicit description of paradise, its women and the sexual pleasures supposedly awaiting men there, way more offensive and pornographic. http//www.imagebanana.com/img/q6owvuis/033102bad_1_prv.gif

          And what about Sheikh Nefzawi's "The Perfumed Garden"?

          Do you know why they are spending their whole life in Madares???

          If the don?t get this reward they will never waste their time.

          AT DISTANCE Virgins, Sex and Paradise
          By Naomi Ragen

          An excepts from the Jerusalem Post, Columns Article, July 7, 2001
          Italian translation by I.C.C.I.I.

          (September 6) Recently, Bob Simon interviewed Muhammad Abu Wardeh on Sixty Minutes. His remarks in Arabic were translated on the program as "God would compensate the martyr for sacrificing his life for his land. If you become a martyr, God will give you 70 virgins, 70 wives and everlasting happiness."

          Now, Arab Americans are claiming in outrage that this is not only a mistranslation, but absolutely false. Maher Hathout, a Muslim "scholar" with the Islamic Center of Southern California, wrote in the Atlanta Constitution "There is nothing in the Koran or in Islamic teachings about 70 virgins or sex in paradise. This is ridiculous, and any true Muslim knows that."

          Oh, really?

          Sheikh Abdul Hadi Palazzi, head of the Cultural Institute of the Italian Islamic Community, and a true Islamic scholar, had this to say "The only ridiculous thing is that someone who claims to be an 'Islamic scholar' makes public declarations which prove beyond any possible doubt that he has never read the Commentary of Ibn Kathir and 'Sunan' of Imam at-Tirmidhi, which are basic books for the knowledge of Islam. Unfortunately, this attribution of chairs to ignoramuses seems to be the rule in American Islamic Centers controlled by the fundamentalist network of the 'Muslim Brotherhood.' "

          According to Islam, Palazzi goes on to say, there are 72 wives for every believer who is admitted to Heaven, and not only for a martyr. The proof is a hadith which is collected by at-Tirmidhi in "Sunan" (volume IV, chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah," Chapter 21 "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven," hadith 2687).

          It is also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (Koranic Commentary) of Surah ar-Rahman (55), ayah (verse) 72 "It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham Abdullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad (Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) saying 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a.' Ibn Kathir explained in 'al-Bidayah wa an-Nihayah' that al-Jabiyyah is the name of a suburb of Damascus.

          "That those 72 wives are virgin is proved by the ayah 74 of the same Surah "No man or jinn has ever touched them before."

          http//www.amislam.com/virgins.htm

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            Leyna

            Of course this is a very debatable issue, but quite an interesting idea.

            That was what I was talking about.

            afridi

            Do you know why they are spending their whole life in Madares???

            If the don?t get this reward they will never waste their time.

            Totally nonsense, do not tell us about the culture of "Pakhtunkhawa", Pakistan is burning because of some rigid Pashtuns, former Russians and Arabs, not only Pakistan but whole the world.

            And when it is said to them, Do not make mischief in
            the land, they say We are but peace-makers.
            Now surely they themselves are the mischief makers,
            but they do not perceive.
            (Al-Quran, Surah Al-Baqarah, Verses 11-12)


            The Madrassaas most of them are doing fine job, they donot produce terrorists, only few of them are involved, most of them are located in Pakhtunkhawa that too which are being sponsored by different countries for their own purposes, Like Iran and, Saudi Arabia to have supremacy in Islamic world, that has nothing to do with Quran and ISlam,
            I can debate with you on this specific subject of 72 virgins nonsense...,

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              One of the biggest Israeli propaganda myths is the invention of 72 virgins as a Muslim reward for suicide. This has been repeated to the western world so often that most people accept it as fact. The media wants us to believe that there cannot be anything wrong about Israelis ? who must be seen as eternal victims ? to cause anyone to commit suicide as a means of striking back at them. Heavens no! The motivation for suicide bombings in Israel has nothing to do with Jewish treatment of Palestinians. Instead it has to do with the evilness of the Palestinians and their religious beliefs. This is the ?bill of goods? they sell the western mind while at the same time faking most, if not all the ?Islamic suicide bombings? to blame on Muslims.

              Dr. Tahir-Ul qadri with huge following a Sunni
              http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=26D5e0pqBf0&feature=related
              Dr. zakir Naik with huge following all over the world a sunni
              http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvzVzx1Imgg&feature=related
              Javed Ahmed Ghamidi point of view on 72 virgins a Sunni

              You are just a propogator of Isreali Propoganda.

              Most of the Madrassas are doing fine job, only very few in Pakhtunkhawa are teaching this 72 virgins lesson that too on backing of saudi arabia and Iran

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                When Asra Q. Nomani and other women attempted to pray at Virginia?s notorious ?9/11 mosque,? an explosive scene ensued. Inside the protest movement dividing Muslim Americans.

                FALLS CHURCH, Va.?Over the years, the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center, a mosque in suburban Virginia, down the road from a Sears, has welcomed some noteworthy congregants alleged Fort Hood shooter Maj. Nidal Hasan, some of the 9/11 hijackers, and Yemeni al-Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki?said to be an inspiring figure to both Hasan and alleged Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad.

                This past weekend, though, six Muslim women and I received a very different kind of greeting. As part of a grassroots civil rights movement we call ?Pray In,? we walked through the front door of the mosque instead of a dingy back door designated for women. In the cavernous main hall we attempted to exercise our Islamic right to pray behind the men, instead of in the secluded ?sisters? section.? Some of us wore pink head scarves, the color we've chosen to symoblize our "pink pray-in" movement of Islamic feminism.

                ?Get out of here!? a man from the congregation yelled, lunging toward us, before being restrained by other men.
                Attempting to desegregate Dar Ul Hijra, known in law enforcement circles as ?the 9/11 mosque,? is significant. The strict ideology of gender segregation we are challenging is part of a broader, problematic interpretation of Islam that I believe often incites violence against civilians, suicide bombings, and terrorism.

                We began our fight in February by challenging the segregation at the Islamic Center of Washington, a mosque with close ties to the Saudis and the strict Wahhabi ideology of Islam. But ever since I moved to the Washington, D.C., area in 2007, I have wanted to attend ?the 9/11 mosque,? in order to better understand what it preaches. I was afraid, but I overcame my hesitation after organizer Fatima Thompson, a convert living in the area, pulled together a group of women activists using Facebook.

                The angry, violent response we received at the Virginia mosque is indicative of how threatened some men are by the presence of women in ?their? space. Standing in the front of about 100 men, many of them agitated, the imam, Shakir Elsayed, told the men, ?We have women who want to make a point.? Naively, we had expected a friendly welcome. Just weeks earlier, Elsayed had told a town hall meeting on women?s space in mosques that he invited women to pray in the main hall, but they preferred the privacy of the balcony. A few days after these remarks, Thompson called Elsayed to inform him that a group of women were planning to accept his offer and pray at his mosque. ?Go ahead,? he said.

                But the day of our protest, he demanded we pray with our backs against the wall. ?The best rows for the women are the last rows,? he said, repeating a hadith, or saying of the prophet Muhammad, that some scholars, such as UCLA law professor Khaled Abou El Fadl, have refuted as inauthentic. Thompson bravely spoke up, referencing a hadith that recommends continuous lines without much space separating prayer rows. It was a modern day moment in the ?hadith wars? that have plagued Muslim communities since the death of the prophet Muhammad Muslims trying to establish authority and legitimacy through the supposed words and actions of Muhammad.

                We inched forward?rather than backwards?but still stood about 10 feet behind the men, joining the prayer as it started. Before the last prostration, shouting broke out behind us and a group of men, including the mosque?s head of security, yelled at one of the women from our group, Ify Okoye, a Nigerian-American convert. They pushed her and she fled the main hall, worried about her safety. (Not long ago, Okoye courageously wrote a blog post protesting the "penalty box" behind which women are expected to pray at the Islamic Center of Washington.)

                The prayers complete, men surrounded the women in our group, some of us still sitting on the carpet. ?Get up! Get up!? they shouted. Elsayed walked by, charging us with ?fitna,? a loaded word in Muslim communities that refers to people who cause conflict. It can be grounds for killing another Muslim. A member of the congregation responded, ?Go! Go! Go! You are not allowed here!?

                Elsayed then told the men, ?This is what we talked about in the khutbah (sermon) yesterday ? They are among those people aligned with Satan and want to influence 1 billion Muslims.? We knew how significant that statement could be. We considered it a verbal threat, giving men grounds by which to assault us. In March 2010, a Saudi cleric said it was acceptable to kill Muslims?like us?who accept gender mixing.

                Mosque officials called local Fairfax County police officers who arrived at the scene, telling us we had to leave or face arrest. Outside the gates, the scent of nearby honeysuckle bushes wafting toward us, Officer S.P. Regan handed Thompson and me trespassing notices that said we weren?t allowed back at the mosque. Our case became police report No. 20101350237.

                Two nights later, after the shock of the event surpassed, Okoye filed assault and battery charges with Fairfax County Magistrate Claude Bradshaw, against the man who pushed her. She has a June 30 court date. Thompson and I filed complaints against the imam, Elsayed, for intimidation and assault. Our complaints are on file with the court.

                Today, we are filing an additional complaint with the Council on American Islamic Relations, a Washington, D.C.-based organization that has built a reputation protecting the rights of women to wear head scarves, or hijab. In 2005, CAIR and other Muslim organizations released a report on making mosques ?women friendly,? asserting the right of women to pray in the main hall, behind men, but without a partition segregating them. The report urged mosque leaders to welcome women without "fear and anger." It recommended to leaders "Make available designated space for women in the main prayer hall."

                Separation of church and state statutes can perhaps protect mosques from the reach of American non-discrimination laws, but I?m certain that the strides we made at ?the 9/11 mosque? will be part of a revolution, reclaiming Islam from the likes of Maj. Nidal Hasan and Anwar al-Awlaki.

                Offering us some hope, before our contentious prayer in Virginia, two male worshippers turned around to discreetly express their feelings; they gave us ?thumbs up? signs. But then they disappeared anonymously into the lines, leaving us to fend for ourselves.

                http//www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-17/showdown-at-the-mosque/

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                  Totally nonsense, do not tell us about the culture of "Pakhtunkhawa", Pakistan is burning because of some rigid Pashtuns,

                  The Madrassaas most of them are doing fine job, they donot produce terrorists, only few of them are involved, most of them are located in Pakhtunkhawa that too which are being sponsored by different countries for their own purposes, Like Iran and, Saudi Arabia to have supremacy in Islamic world, that has nothing to do with Quran and ISlam,
                  I can debate with you on this specific subject of 72 virgins nonsense...,

                  MashaAllah, these Madrasas are doing very fine job; by producing practically uneducated, highly unemployable, ignorant sectarian Mullahs whose only vehicle of mobility is their narrow minded religious education which is the basic cause of sectarian violence in our society! well done!!

                  btw, are you unaware of Punjabi Taliban? and all other terrorist organisations in Punjab?

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                    You are just a propogator of Isreali Propoganda.

                    Most of the Madrassas are doing fine job, only very few in Pakhtunkhawa are teaching this 72 virgins lesson that too on backing of saudi arabia and Iran

                    who are you blinding to? we hear this 72 virgin nonsense in every other mosque, even here in UK!

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                      When Asra Q. Nomani and other women attempted to pray at Virginia?s notorious ?9/11 mosque,? an explosive scene ensued. Inside the protest movement dividing Muslim Americans.

                      FALLS CHURCH, Va.?Over the years, the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center, a mosque in suburban Virginia, down the road from a Sears, has welcomed some noteworthy congregants alleged Fort Hood shooter Maj. Nidal Hasan, some of the 9/11 hijackers, and Yemeni al-Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki?said to be an inspiring figure to both Hasan and alleged Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad.
                      This past weekend, though, six Muslim women and I received a very different kind of greeting. As part of a grassroots civil rights movement we call ?Pray In,? we walked through the front door of the mosque instead of a dingy back door designated for women. In the cavernous main hall we attempted to exercise our Islamic right to pray behind the men, instead of in the secluded ?sisters? section.? Some of us wore pink head scarves, the color we've chosen to symoblize our "pink pray-in" movement of Islamic feminism.
                      ?Get out of here!? a man from the congregation yelled, lunging toward us, before being restrained by other men.
                      Attempting to desegregate Dar Ul Hijra, known in law enforcement circles as ?the 9/11 mosque,? is significant. The strict ideology of gender segregation we are challenging is part of a broader, problematic interpretation of Islam that I believe often incites violence against civilians, suicide bombings, and terrorism.
                      We began our fight in February by challenging the segregation at the Islamic Center of Washington, a mosque with close ties to the Saudis and the strict Wahhabi ideology of Islam. But ever since I moved to the Washington, D.C., area in 2007, I have wanted to attend ?the 9/11 mosque,? in order to better understand what it preaches. I was afraid, but I overcame my hesitation after organizer Fatima Thompson, a convert living in the area, pulled together a group of women activists using Facebook.
                      The angry, violent response we received at the Virginia mosque is indicative of how threatened some men are by the presence of women in ?their? space. Standing in the front of about 100 men, many of them agitated, the imam, Shakir Elsayed, told the men, ?We have women who want to make a point.? Naively, we had expected a friendly welcome. Just weeks earlier, Elsayed had told a town hall meeting on women?s space in mosques that he invited women to pray in the main hall, but they preferred the privacy of the balcony. A few days after these remarks, Thompson called Elsayed to inform him that a group of women were planning to accept his offer and pray at his mosque. ?Go ahead,? he said.
                      But the day of our protest, he demanded we pray with our backs against the wall. ?The best rows for the women are the last rows,? he said, repeating a hadith, or saying of the prophet Muhammad, that some scholars, such as UCLA law professor Khaled Abou El Fadl, have refuted as inauthentic. Thompson bravely spoke up, referencing a hadith that recommends continuous lines without much space separating prayer rows. It was a modern day moment in the ?hadith wars? that have plagued Muslim communities since the death of the prophet Muhammad Muslims trying to establish authority and legitimacy through the supposed words and actions of Muhammad.
                      We inched forward?rather than backwards?but still stood about 10 feet behind the men, joining the prayer as it started. Before the last prostration, shouting broke out behind us and a group of men, including the mosque?s head of security, yelled at one of the women from our group, Ify Okoye, a Nigerian-American convert. They pushed her and she fled the main hall, worried about her safety. (Not long ago, Okoye courageously wrote a blog post protesting the "penalty box" behind which women are expected to pray at the Islamic Center of Washington.)
                      The prayers complete, men surrounded the women in our group, some of us still sitting on the carpet. ?Get up! Get up!? they shouted. Elsayed walked by, charging us with ?fitna,? a loaded word in Muslim communities that refers to people who cause conflict. It can be grounds for killing another Muslim. A member of the congregation responded, ?Go! Go! Go! You are not allowed here!?
                      Elsayed then told the men, ?This is what we talked about in the khutbah (sermon) yesterday ? They are among those people aligned with Satan and want to influence 1 billion Muslims.? We knew how significant that statement could be. We considered it a verbal threat, giving men grounds by which to assault us. In March 2010, a Saudi cleric said it was acceptable to kill Muslims?like us?who accept gender mixing.
                      Mosque officials called local Fairfax County police officers who arrived at the scene, telling us we had to leave or face arrest. Outside the gates, the scent of nearby honeysuckle bushes wafting toward us, Officer S.P. Regan handed Thompson and me trespassing notices that said we weren?t allowed back at the mosque. Our case became police report No. 20101350237.
                      Two nights later, after the shock of the event surpassed, Okoye filed assault and battery charges with Fairfax County Magistrate Claude Bradshaw, against the man who pushed her. She has a June 30 court date. Thompson and I filed complaints against the imam, Elsayed, for intimidation and assault. Our complaints are on file with the court.
                      Today, we are filing an additional complaint with the Council on American Islamic Relations, a Washington, D.C.-based organization that has built a reputation protecting the rights of women to wear head scarves, or hijab. In 2005, CAIR and other Muslim organizations released a report on making mosques ?women friendly,? asserting the right of women to pray in the main hall, behind men, but without a partition segregating them. The report urged mosque leaders to welcome women without "fear and anger." It recommended to leaders "Make available designated space for women in the main prayer hall."
                      Separation of church and state statutes can perhaps protect mosques from the reach of American non-discrimination laws, but I?m certain that the strides we made at ?the 9/11 mosque? will be part of a revolution, reclaiming Islam from the likes of Maj. Nidal Hasan and Anwar al-Awlaki.
                      Offering us some hope, before our contentious prayer in Virginia, two male worshippers turned around to discreetly express their feelings; they gave us ?thumbs up? signs. But then they disappeared anonymously into the lines, leaving us to fend for ourselves.
                      http//www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-17/showdown-at-the-mosque/

                      Peace,
                      Respect.

                      This is it! This is what I'm talking about! This sort a thing makes me truly not only angry but honestly outraged! I am truly, really mad at these man who not only act like idiots, pardon my language, but I believe they are transformed from way before the middle ages. These men should be deported from the States and banned for life! Right now! Not today, toda's 24 hours long, they need, they must be deported and banend forever!

                      This is why I keep fighting for emigrating to The West, this is why I wanna get involved in the film industry, this is why I'm staying here for the past three years and waiting, I've been waiting and waiting and I truly don't understand how long do I have to wait!? I wanna expose them, I wanna build mosques where men AND women can not only pray together but where a woman can lead the prayer.

                      Yes, I would have no problem with a woman leading a prayer. Because when I pray, I pray, I'm focused on the prayer, I'm not interested in ANYTHING else nor ANYONE else. Why should I be when God can give me so much more? In fact, I want to pray behind a woman and prove to these men and men like them, that men and women are equal and that not everything regarding men and women is about sex, flirting or erotica. My God, has the world finally arrived here? Is this our best? This is the best what society can do????? No way.

                      I support those brave women who stepped up forward literally and metaphorically, I support them and may God bless them, give them more better health, may God extend their Knowledge and give them even more courage and patience. We need more women like that and I will not rest until I may some changes regarding this, God willing. May God help us all.

                      Peace.

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                        My Dream Mosque Equality at Last

                        I was exchanging messages with my friend R the other day over our concerns about men running our Mosque boards, councils, finances and Sunday school programs, and the lack of female representation in the 'big picture' decisions. We decided that change was almost impossible so we came up with this brilliant idea why not create our own mosque from scratch?

                        Our Mosque however will be nontraditional. Men won't be the sole decision makers. Women will have equal access and say on all matters concerning everyone.

                        Mosque Layout

                        Main Prayer Space Our first order of business will be to reconstruct the layout of the mosque. The main prayer hall will encompass both men and women. They will be able to visibly see the Imam and participate during the congregation in the same space as the Imam. There will be an overflow space available (first come, first serve) which will serve both genders (which will be equipped with screens that transmit the sermon and prayer services). In addition, the prayer hall will be high tech, equipped with screens for audio and video presentations.

                        http//1.bp.blogspot.com/_XiYt58576QI/S6zLnSLVouI/AAAAAAAAH3g/xHB8ip5YN-4/s320/Mosque+Layout.jpg

                        Women would pray on one side, and men another side with a fair distance in between. I spoke to Hijabman (hijabman.com) about distance issues and he mentioned a knee barrier in between. I don't see a reason why women must be behind men (I am sick of staring at men's boxers!). Side by side works better to keep modesty and equal distance from the Imam. I would like to pray in the first few lines for a change.

                        Also, the same prayer space will eliminate disturbances found in traditional mosques where women and children are secluded in a basement or back room.

                        Accommodations Special accommodations will be available. For example, Braille Qurans, Large-print Qurans, chairs for seating, and permanent ramps for easy access to all mosque facilities will be available. Also, the parking lot will be equipped with handicap parking spaces to be utilized by members of the community. Additional accommodations will be available upon request!

                        Nursery The nursery will be free of charge for all children and will be run by parent volunteers. The nursery will give parents with small children the freedom to use Mosque facilities without disturbing others and boring their own children.

                        Kitchen Food is an important aspect of the Muslim community so naturally a safe, highly equipped kitchen is needed. The most important aspect of this kitchen is the ventilation system because we don't want to end up with a Mosque smelling like curry.

                        Dining/Cafe area The dining area will be equipped to hold 200 people for big celebrations such as Eid parties or Ramadan dinners. Recycling bins will be distributed throughout to maintain the greenness of the Mosque. There will also be coffee/refreshment center for families to socialize between classes or while children are in class.

                        School Facilities The Mosque will have an area for either a weekend or full-time Islamic program.

                        Gym/Play area A mosque is more than a place to worship God in the West, it's also a place for the community to come together. A gym and play area for young children and adults interested would make the Mosque a fun experience for the entire family. The space also provides opportunities to hold different classes such as karate, wrestling, dance lessons, etc.

                        Community Garden The garden will be run by Mosque volunteers and a place where people of the local community (Muslim and Non-Muslim) will get to enjoy. This can extend to a weekly Farmer's market when large enough!

                        Other services such as interfaith services, funeral services, employment opportunities, food shelters, etc could be implemented with sufficient volunteers and funds.

                        Internal Organization

                        Elected Board Non-profit status which requires democratically elected board members and officers. It also assures that the members of the Mosque will have the final say on how the Mosque will run unlike many of the traditional mosques that are privately owned and are run like a dictatorship! In addition, the bylaws will note a 50/50 gender divide to ensure equality and representation of all genders!

                        Full-Time staff Volunteer run organizations means sloppy work and non-professionalism. With staff on the payroll with precise job descriptions, the organization will run much smoother. (read accountability!)

                        Imam The spiritual leader of the Mosque must be well acquainted with current Muslim issues in the U.S. and a fluent English speaker. In addition, the Imam should have credentials in Islamic studies.

                        Counseling Services The mosque can contract with a family counselor for Muslim couples in need of counseling or other individuals with need for counseling. The service will be provided at a minimal fee.
                        **

                        I realize that these are big dreams and my design is elementary, but there is no shame in starting small. I would like to hear your ideas.

                        Let the revolution begin

                        http//organicmuslimah.blogspot.com/2010/03/my-dream-mosque-equality-at-last.html

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                          Leyna
                          That was what I was talking about.

                          afridi
                          Totally nonsense, do not tell us about the culture of "Pakhtunkhawa", Pakistan is burning because of some rigid Pashtuns, former Russians and Arabs, not only Pakistan but whole the world.

                          And when it is said to them, Do not make mischief in
                          the land, they say We are but peace-makers.
                          Now surely they themselves are the mischief makers,
                          but they do not perceive.
                          (Al-Quran, Surah Al-Baqarah, Verses 11-12)


                          The Madrassaas most of them are doing fine job, they donot produce terrorists, only few of them are involved, most of them are located in Pakhtunkhawa that too which are being sponsored by different countries for their own purposes, Like Iran and, Saudi Arabia to have supremacy in Islamic world, that has nothing to do with Quran and ISlam,
                          I can debate with you on this specific subject of 72 virgins nonsense...,

                          Wow raja so really don?t know those fanatics called Taliban witch you called pukhtoon came from madares in Punjabhmm and sepahe sahaba , sepahe Mohammed humm they are all pukhtoon too nice one keep blaming.

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                            Peace,
                            Respect.

                            Sister Leyna, I support you 100,000% and I would just like to ad that even though the walls will be white, for better lighting, I'd like to see all the carpets green, it will give the illusion of being in the garden, just a thought.

                            I'd also like so suggest that no words or letters of any kind, language be present on the wall so that a person who is praying is truly focused on the prayer/reading. Big and clean windows is soemthign that must be taken care of.

                            I support this, you got my vote.
                            Is this about a mosque which is already built and you're gonna change it or are you talking about a land which needs to be bought and mosque which needs to be built?
                            Just geting informed.

                            God bless you.
                            Peace.

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                              Peace, Alen

                              This was not written by me. But you can follow the link I posted and write to the lady who posted this on her blog.

                              I also love her mosque garden project, that's really nice! And a good way to get people to work together on something beneficial and productive.

                              http//organicmuslimah.blogspot.com/2010/05/mosque-garden-my-2-year-project.html

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                                That "dude" is also a member of FM )

                                I might be wrong, but I assume it's FAR. He doesn't seem to be around anymore ...

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                                  Leyna

                                  Mosque Layout

                                  Main Prayer Space Our first order of business will be to reconstruct the layout of the mosque. The main prayer hall will encompass both men and women. They will be able to visibly see the Imam and participate during the congregation in the same space as the Imam. There will be an overflow space available (first come, first serve) which will serve both genders (which will be equipped with screens that transmit the sermon and prayer services). In addition, the prayer hall will be high tech, equipped with screens for audio and video presentations.

                                  !mam in the front, Ladies on the right and Men on the left or vice versa, with a barrie betweem them, offcourse this is a nice lay out by that lady you mention, but it is far away from what you want, or is it you want to start with this to gain your goal.

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                                    offcourse this is a nice lay out by that lady you mention, but it is far away from what you want

                                    ??? ??? ???

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                                      Peace

                                      The topic is " Is gender -mixed salat in the Mosque forbidden in The Qur'an" ?

                                      To get the answer , first define what salat is .

                                      What makes you people think that the congregational prayers commonly performed in mosques by muhammadan = Salat ?

                                      I for one do not think that "The Bending Over and kneeling rituals is Salat . As for gender mixed prayers , why would the Qur'an forbid it ?

                                      The Qur'an clearly advises us to hold fast to the rope of god altogether , not just men or women but Together !

                                      Peace

                                      almarh0m

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                                        almarhoom

                                        What makes you people think that the congregational prayers commonly performed in mosques by muhammadan = Salat ?

                                        there is no such thing as Muhammadans..don't try to force Christain missionaries name on MUslims.
                                        Salat is Physical as well spirtiual and that is proven from Quran, I think we have alraedy discussed this in previous thread long ago.

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                                          afridi

                                          Wow raja so really don?t know those fanatics called Taliban witch you called pukhtoon came from madares in Punjabhmm and sepahe sahaba , sepahe Mohammed humm they are all pukhtoon too nice one keep blaming.

                                          No it is not I who am blaming, but you who doesnot like to hear the truth

                                          Who is Mullah Umar? Where did he studied, He is an ethnic Pashtun from the Hotak tribe, which is part of the larger Ghilzai branch,After he was disabled, Omar studied and taught in a madrasah, or Islamic seminary, in the Pakistani border city of Quetta. He was reportedly a mullah at a village madrasah near the Afghan city of Kandahar.

                                          BAit-Ullah Meshud a Pusthoon
                                          HAkeem Ullah a Pusthon
                                          Jalal Din Haqani a Pushton
                                          Hikmatyaar a Pushtoon

                                          all the top leadership of Taliban is Pushtoon and most of them studied in NWFP.
                                          and Al-Qaida leadership is from Arab and former russian states as i mentioned above.

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