Jilbab [Quran 33:59]
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Ayisha
so you agree that two parts of women actually, "disturb" Men?
I think it is never enough, Ok, Please let me know why did Allah told to cover the Bosoms? why? Why? and
I will be desperately waiting for reply, but be careful in answering, it may contradict your whole argument.I agree that the 2 parts are what are called 'private parts' and should be covered. you ask me WHY Allah said cover the bosom? because it is a private part of a woman which is used to feed a child when the child needs feeding and that part would be exposed at that time and possibly not considered as a private part. That is my logic although I cannot answer for Allah WHY he particularly said that at that time just as you cant answer WHY he DID NOT say face and according to you means face.
Answered quickly as possible so you dont get over excited and wet yourself, all this talk of bosoms has got to get you onto bikinis and nakedness at some point as it always does.
Also to point out that although men like you can get excited over hands, feet, eyes, chins, and earlobes, not all men are like that and Allah did not say face or any of the other parts you get excited over because he wasnt concerned with men like you as you are the minority.
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Ayisha
Answered quickly as possible so you dont get over excited and wet yourself, all this talk of bosoms has got to get you onto bikinis and nakedness at some point as it always does.
and the result of quickness is a disaster
I agree that the 2 parts are what are called 'private parts' and should be covered. you ask me WHY Allah said cover the bosom? because it is a private part of a woman which is used to feed a child when the child needs feeding and that part would be exposed at that time and possibly not considered as a private part. That is my logic although I cannot answer for Allah WHY he particularly said that at that time just as you cant answer WHY he DID NOT say face and according to you means face.
Mazhar said because these two parts "disturb" MEN.
You think these two parts are private and others are public property laugh
dear, did you even understand what I asked? Why Allah commanded to lenghthen the garments, the women are already wearing garments prior to this verse or were they nude? if they were nude then it is understandable that Allah ordered them to cover up private parts, but if they were wearing some garments why double cover them? or even double covering them can hide these parts?
Since I don't want you to be let down, here are some bikinis. Let me ask that these ladies and gentle man is covering the parts that disturb men according to Mazhar, and private parts according to you, so is it fine with you? -
Mazhar said because these two parts "disturb" MEN.
Then speak with Mazhar about it.You think these two parts are private and others are public property laugh
It was Allah said private parts and you are laughing at Allah's words.dear, did you even understand what I asked? Why Allah commanded to lenghthen the garments, the women are already wearing garments prior to this verse or were they nude?
Lengthen means to make longer from the bottom edge, not from the top.
if they were nude then it is understandable that Allah ordered them to cover up private parts, but if they were wearing some garments why double cover them? or even double covering them can hide these parts?
Your problem is with Allahs instructions, take it up with Him.
Since I don't want you to be let down, here are some bikinis. Let me ask that these ladies and gentle man is covering the parts that disturb men according to Mazhar, and private parts according to you, so is it fine with you?
let me down? its you that sees nudity and bikinis everywhere, not me.
if you have a problem with what Mazhar has said then take it up with him.
In all of this you conveniently forget the instruction to YOU to lower your gaze anyway, instead you want women covered from head to toe so YOU dont get excited.
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herbman
The whole idea of the verse is to protect the women which are the weakest to be protected from offenses from offenders.
nope this idea again gives Men the upper hand, as protectors, and you call the women "Weakest", you have commited a great SIN brother, in eyes of FEMINISTS, Please say
"Estghfurallah"
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Mazhar said because these two parts "disturb" MEN.
You think these two parts are private and others are public property
dear, did you even understand what I asked? Why Allah commanded to lenghthen the garments, the women are already wearing garments prior to this verse or were they nude? if they were nude then it is understandable that Allah ordered them to cover up private parts, but if they were wearing some garments why double cover them? or even double covering them can hide these parts?
Since I don't want you to be let down, here are some bikinis. Let me ask that these ladies and gentle man is covering the parts that disturb men according to Mazhar, and private parts according to you, so is it fine with you?Raaajah.
To have a dirty mind and to understand what really sex means are two different things. Human sex system is inbuilt and it can become "operative" even without one's preconceived intention. And neither your brain is making any distinction about the clothes already on the body of women as dress and additional unsewn sheet placed over and above the body. The dress, sewn may or may not hide the contours of the body. But an unsewn sheet hides/obscures the contours and that is the function of additional sheet. And instead you put dirty pictures.
And let me tell you the type of man, though tall, you have brought in, his features and few other signs indicate that he belongs to that category who is never disturbed by any scene of women. He just befools himself of his inner shortcomings by such postures with professional women.
Request to Moderators Please delete these odd pictures, and when so decided, pl also delete last para of this post.
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Mazhar
Raaajah.
To have a dirty mind and to understand what really sex means are two different things
Oh boy, It was you who said that, "two parts" of women disturb Men and then you named those "two" parts, backed up by may be example of Pushto Movies, and all of sudden Some one else is Dirty mind bravo
It is up there in your Mind, that these "two" specific parts can disturb you and may be are disturbing you,
The picture I posted was for more free-minded people like Ayisha and Leyna, who think they can wera what ever seems fit to them, as long as Bosoms are covered, the two ladies in picture are covering the Bosoms and front. After the picture there was a qusetion to Ayisha, your getting annoyed does not seems proper.
However your comment on that tall GUY really needs a lot of experience. -
Just study old books of India about men and women, which might give you some indepth knowledge about various contours of human body. I studied those 35 years back, but now I can't get reference or link of those for you. I have people around me who can tell what is in ones stomach at that point in time undigested and what is the shape and condition of his hidden parts by just putting his four fingers on one's pulse. These are the things covered under the word "hikmat", without the use of scanners.
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Oh boy, It was you who said that, "two parts" of women disturb Men and then you named those "two" parts, backed up by may be example of Pushto Movies, and all of sudden Some one else is Dirty mind
It is up there in your Mind, that these "two" specific parts can disturb you and may be are disturbing you,
The picture I posted was for more free-minded people like Ayisha and Leyna,Free minded and dirty minded are also two different things. Qur'aan openly mentions by name the private parts but abhors that you put those into picture publiclly.
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Ayisha
Oh! really which arabic word you have translated as two private parts?Ayisha wow ???
where did I say TWO? Quran says private parts plural as far as im aware, if not then stop pratting about and correct me on the wording and grammar of the translators.
Seems you have a problem with Mazhar's posts and have a go at me for it.
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The picture I posted was for more free-minded people like Ayisha and Leyna, who think they can wera what ever seems fit to them, as long as Bosoms are covered,
Please keep your collection of bikini clad girls to yourself.
free minded as in this site is called free minds, did you not notice when you signed up?
You still keep having a go at me and have yet to explain how that verse says otherwise, because you cant, because it doesnt.
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Ayisha
Seems you have a problem with Mazhar's posts and have a go at me for it.
Ok, may be it was mixed up.
I was refering to your this post
I agree that the 2 parts are what are called 'private parts' and should be covered
hmmm, so it is Mazhar again hmm
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Qurban jaon aapke urdu se
flattered!
a kiss from me too.
i don't f*ing think so! yuck
laugh
nahiN khhel ai daaGh yaaroN se kehdo
ke aati hai Urdu zabaaN aate aatesry rasulhamsa, my urdu is not enough to make proper sense of this.. daagh? hmm
other than that i see we are back to repetitive arguments and chicks in bikinis.. how very predictable. )
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sry rasulhamsa, my urdu is not enough to make proper sense of this.. daagh? hmm
daagh is the name of poet. ask your hubby to translate it forya well all it means is, learning urdu is not a joke, it takes time. )
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Mazhar
So you mean to say that before this Ayat the ladies were wearing Skirts? or roaming with open bossoms? that is why they were told to lengthen their garments from shoulders down ward? that is not logical, that makes no sense,
ACTUALLY, if you do look at many commentators (and at Muhammad Asad's footnotes on the issue), women WERE roaming around with their breasts exposed ... that is why covering the bosoms is explicitly stated in the verse.
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Initiater of the thread
OK, people, I'm kinda confused here. We know that there's no mandatory clothing article required to be worn by women.. but then what is the "Jilbab" .....
herbman
is this debate about what is a JILBAB?
Please use your brain.Yes! we should use the BRAINS.
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aynur
ACTUALLY, if you do look at many commentators (and at Muhammad Asad's footnotes on the issue), women WERE roaming around with their breasts exposed ... that is why covering the bosoms is explicitly stated in the verse
That makes things further difficult for those who think that, quran has ordered to cover only two parts, or only two parts are private parts.