Jilbab [Quran 33:59]
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Mazhar said because these two parts "disturb" MEN.
You think these two parts are private and others are public property
dear, did you even understand what I asked? Why Allah commanded to lenghthen the garments, the women are already wearing garments prior to this verse or were they nude? if they were nude then it is understandable that Allah ordered them to cover up private parts, but if they were wearing some garments why double cover them? or even double covering them can hide these parts?
Since I don't want you to be let down, here are some bikinis. Let me ask that these ladies and gentle man is covering the parts that disturb men according to Mazhar, and private parts according to you, so is it fine with you?Raaajah.
To have a dirty mind and to understand what really sex means are two different things. Human sex system is inbuilt and it can become "operative" even without one's preconceived intention. And neither your brain is making any distinction about the clothes already on the body of women as dress and additional unsewn sheet placed over and above the body. The dress, sewn may or may not hide the contours of the body. But an unsewn sheet hides/obscures the contours and that is the function of additional sheet. And instead you put dirty pictures.
And let me tell you the type of man, though tall, you have brought in, his features and few other signs indicate that he belongs to that category who is never disturbed by any scene of women. He just befools himself of his inner shortcomings by such postures with professional women.
Request to Moderators Please delete these odd pictures, and when so decided, pl also delete last para of this post.
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Mazhar
Raaajah.
To have a dirty mind and to understand what really sex means are two different things
Oh boy, It was you who said that, "two parts" of women disturb Men and then you named those "two" parts, backed up by may be example of Pushto Movies, and all of sudden Some one else is Dirty mind bravo
It is up there in your Mind, that these "two" specific parts can disturb you and may be are disturbing you,
The picture I posted was for more free-minded people like Ayisha and Leyna, who think they can wera what ever seems fit to them, as long as Bosoms are covered, the two ladies in picture are covering the Bosoms and front. After the picture there was a qusetion to Ayisha, your getting annoyed does not seems proper.
However your comment on that tall GUY really needs a lot of experience. -
Just study old books of India about men and women, which might give you some indepth knowledge about various contours of human body. I studied those 35 years back, but now I can't get reference or link of those for you. I have people around me who can tell what is in ones stomach at that point in time undigested and what is the shape and condition of his hidden parts by just putting his four fingers on one's pulse. These are the things covered under the word "hikmat", without the use of scanners.
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Oh boy, It was you who said that, "two parts" of women disturb Men and then you named those "two" parts, backed up by may be example of Pushto Movies, and all of sudden Some one else is Dirty mind
It is up there in your Mind, that these "two" specific parts can disturb you and may be are disturbing you,
The picture I posted was for more free-minded people like Ayisha and Leyna,Free minded and dirty minded are also two different things. Qur'aan openly mentions by name the private parts but abhors that you put those into picture publiclly.
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Ayisha
Oh! really which arabic word you have translated as two private parts?Ayisha wow ???
where did I say TWO? Quran says private parts plural as far as im aware, if not then stop pratting about and correct me on the wording and grammar of the translators.
Seems you have a problem with Mazhar's posts and have a go at me for it.
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The picture I posted was for more free-minded people like Ayisha and Leyna, who think they can wera what ever seems fit to them, as long as Bosoms are covered,
Please keep your collection of bikini clad girls to yourself.
free minded as in this site is called free minds, did you not notice when you signed up?
You still keep having a go at me and have yet to explain how that verse says otherwise, because you cant, because it doesnt.
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Ayisha
Seems you have a problem with Mazhar's posts and have a go at me for it.
Ok, may be it was mixed up.
I was refering to your this post
I agree that the 2 parts are what are called 'private parts' and should be covered
hmmm, so it is Mazhar again hmm
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Qurban jaon aapke urdu se
flattered!
a kiss from me too.
i don't f*ing think so! yuck
laugh
nahiN khhel ai daaGh yaaroN se kehdo
ke aati hai Urdu zabaaN aate aatesry rasulhamsa, my urdu is not enough to make proper sense of this.. daagh? hmm
other than that i see we are back to repetitive arguments and chicks in bikinis.. how very predictable. )
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sry rasulhamsa, my urdu is not enough to make proper sense of this.. daagh? hmm
daagh is the name of poet. ask your hubby to translate it forya well all it means is, learning urdu is not a joke, it takes time. )
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Mazhar
So you mean to say that before this Ayat the ladies were wearing Skirts? or roaming with open bossoms? that is why they were told to lengthen their garments from shoulders down ward? that is not logical, that makes no sense,
ACTUALLY, if you do look at many commentators (and at Muhammad Asad's footnotes on the issue), women WERE roaming around with their breasts exposed ... that is why covering the bosoms is explicitly stated in the verse.
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Initiater of the thread
OK, people, I'm kinda confused here. We know that there's no mandatory clothing article required to be worn by women.. but then what is the "Jilbab" .....
herbman
is this debate about what is a JILBAB?
Please use your brain.Yes! we should use the BRAINS.
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aynur
ACTUALLY, if you do look at many commentators (and at Muhammad Asad's footnotes on the issue), women WERE roaming around with their breasts exposed ... that is why covering the bosoms is explicitly stated in the verse
That makes things further difficult for those who think that, quran has ordered to cover only two parts, or only two parts are private parts.
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aynur
That makes things further difficult for those who think that, quran has ordered to cover only two parts, or only two parts are private parts.do you totally misunderstand or twist things out of some perverse pleasure or do you do this normally with everything? ??? Is it a language problem?
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As salaamu aleykum
After a long time studying about the subject..
To understand my opinion ,please first have a look to this video ;even you may not like the content
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z_HbdrJvCc&feature=share&list=FLFe-rRWPCNZgpAj851L_QUA
I think that the recommended jilbab in the Quraan must be a cloack,a hooded one..that would explain a lot of mistakes.
Love and blessings for all the seekers of truth !
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Peace,
I don't understand why some people say women must cover everything with dracula cloak except face, hands. Of course most of them are Sunnis, Shias and other "Muslim" sectarians.
Their stupid excuses and apologies are "Hijab is the sign of modesty", "Veiling is to prevent women from rape", "Veil and niqab / burqa / purdah are to honor women". Oh my God! Really? Men want to rape women because of their hair, head, neck, ears and even faces? What the hell. This is so stupid. Head-covering and the prison-like clothes are to honor women? So hair, neck, ears, head and even face of women are signs of dishonor and immodesty? They are awrat ? Awrat means nakednesses / private parts / shames. It is really sexist to equate women's hair, heads, necks, ears and even faces to nakedness.Jilbab means outer garment. Outer garment can be blouses, coats, cloaks.
As a girl and a young lady, I admit and agree that a woman must cover her private parts, breasts; not to show other attractive body parts and shapes such as belly, hips, tighs, navel, back body and; must not wear tight clothes that makes a women look sl*tty and cheap. I must say that a female human, especially a pubescent lady has more 'vulgar' attractions than a man that must be covered to look modest and descend.
However, covering all parts of the body and obliging people to cover their hair / head, necks, ears for the sake of 'modesty' are outrageous and too much.
Regards,
Yuliana -
Peace,
Here is an hypothesis I will try to develop if God wills, and I hope you can help to support or reject this idea
I seek refuge in God against Satan the banished.
In 3359 we read the following
O prophet! tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad) that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Dal-Nun-Waw (Dal-Nun-Alif) = To be near, come near or low, let down, be akin to.
JALABIB root is JIM-LAM-BA
Also JALIB means the he helped, he assistedAlso PR-Online take the root Jiim-Lam-Ba-Ba = Woman's outer wrapping garment, that which envelopes the whole body, wide garment for a woman, dominion or sovereignty or rule
The whole idea of the verse is to protect the women which are the weakest to be protected from offenses from offenders.
How to protect them? They have to be known, by the offenders.
Once they are known they will be no more offended.
The question is does a piece of tissue protect you against the offenders? Knowing that everyone in these time, men and women were covering their heads and body against sun.The problem is to find the correct meaning of a word which has no other reference in Qur?an, the only occurance we can find is with the root JLB.
Jiim-Lam-Ba = To drive/bring/convey/transport, to draw/attract/procure a thing, gain or earn, seek after or seek to gain, to raise cries/shouts/noises, chide or urge on, to threaten, bring together/assemble/gather/collect, commit a crime or offence, to heal, to help/aid or assist, take or borrow, to seek or demand, to cover or clad oneself.
This occurrence can be found in 1764 and means to assemble/collect/put together
In Lane?s we find JLBB under JLB and means garnement.
SO let?s take the origine of the word to try to understand the context and meaning.
The first meaning is to drive, bring one thing from one country to another or from one town to another. That supports the idea of migrating from one town to another.
-Also in Kazimirski (arabic-french) dictionnar Jilbab is translated as SLAVE
So back in the context
By 9100 to 9103 we know some believers moved to Medina, they were the first and therefore a minority in a new town.
Some people from Medina were hypocrites and were therefore offending the minority.
At that time and still now in some countries/town when you are a stranger you are an easy victim for thieves/ aggressors/ offenders etc and that is why GOD promised to the offenders to be killed if they continue in their behaviors.In conclusion
My idea here is that JALABIB does not mean a piece of tissue/ garnment to protect you from the offenders but a PERSON who can help you, defend you from offenders in a foreign town and who is well known by the citizen of that town so the immigrant are safe with him.
So the verse should look like
O prophet! tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should come near/ be near/get closer/ in group from the jilbab (assistant/helper/guide of the town) So these who offend know you and therefore will not offend you and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful
This is an hypothesis and I am looking forward for yours comment to support or reject this idea.
Peace