Is gender-mixed salat in the Mosque forbidden in The Quran?
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Leyna
Mosque Layout
Main Prayer Space Our first order of business will be to reconstruct the layout of the mosque. The main prayer hall will encompass both men and women. They will be able to visibly see the Imam and participate during the congregation in the same space as the Imam. There will be an overflow space available (first come, first serve) which will serve both genders (which will be equipped with screens that transmit the sermon and prayer services). In addition, the prayer hall will be high tech, equipped with screens for audio and video presentations.
!mam in the front, Ladies on the right and Men on the left or vice versa, with a barrie betweem them, offcourse this is a nice lay out by that lady you mention, but it is far away from what you want, or is it you want to start with this to gain your goal.
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Peace
The topic is " Is gender -mixed salat in the Mosque forbidden in The Qur'an" ?
To get the answer , first define what salat is .
What makes you people think that the congregational prayers commonly performed in mosques by muhammadan = Salat ?
I for one do not think that "The Bending Over and kneeling rituals is Salat . As for gender mixed prayers , why would the Qur'an forbid it ?
The Qur'an clearly advises us to hold fast to the rope of god altogether , not just men or women but Together !
Peace
almarh0m
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almarhoom
What makes you people think that the congregational prayers commonly performed in mosques by muhammadan = Salat ?
there is no such thing as Muhammadans..don't try to force Christain missionaries name on MUslims.
Salat is Physical as well spirtiual and that is proven from Quran, I think we have alraedy discussed this in previous thread long ago. -
afridi
Wow raja so really don?t know those fanatics called Taliban witch you called pukhtoon came from madares in Punjabhmm and sepahe sahaba , sepahe Mohammed humm they are all pukhtoon too nice one keep blaming.
No it is not I who am blaming, but you who doesnot like to hear the truth
Who is Mullah Umar? Where did he studied, He is an ethnic Pashtun from the Hotak tribe, which is part of the larger Ghilzai branch,After he was disabled, Omar studied and taught in a madrasah, or Islamic seminary, in the Pakistani border city of Quetta. He was reportedly a mullah at a village madrasah near the Afghan city of Kandahar.
BAit-Ullah Meshud a Pusthoon
HAkeem Ullah a Pusthon
Jalal Din Haqani a Pushton
Hikmatyaar a Pushtoonall the top leadership of Taliban is Pushtoon and most of them studied in NWFP.
and Al-Qaida leadership is from Arab and former russian states as i mentioned above. -
almarhoom
there is no such thing as Muhammadans..don't try to force Christain missionaries name on MUslims.
Salat is Physical as well spirtiual and that is proven from Quran, I think we have alraedy discussed this in previous thread long ago.Peace Raaajah
You can deny all you like that there is no such thing as " Muhammadans " , Muhammad worshippers , and Muslim-Stone-Lovers , but the reality is just that ....real fact for people who sees .
I am so glad to have a genious such as yourself on the forum who had concluded that "Salat" is physical as well well spritual . What I asked was "Define Salat" and is Salat = "The Bending over and Kneeling Rituals " ? . Please provide comprensive evidence for your conclusion .
Thank You
almarh0m
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almarhoom
I am so glad to have a genious such as yourself on the forum who had concluded that "Salat" is physical as well well spritual . What I asked was "Define Salat" and is Salat = "The Bending over and Kneeling Rituals " ? . Please provide comprensive evidence for your conclusion .
Thank You
almarh0m
Dear, last time when we were discussing the subject, I said if you are Ismaeili why don't say so? and you got a bit angry at me, I am searching for that thread, if found it will be easier to continue, otherwise I will start a new thread because I too want to clear confusion regarding Salaat being spirtual, Physical, both or some thing else according to Quran.
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Rasul Hamsa
Oh is that so...
What dress will they wear in Masajid the women, because according to you and Leyana as it fits them, it is freedom.. this will lead us to where i pointed out in my early post.that is a lame logic, used by Quran aloners often, show me where it is in Quran? You have started a new custom, you have to provide evidence for it from Quran? Show me verse Exclusively allowing mix gender prayers in Masaajids? simple I will have no objection, infact no one would have after that.
I have studied in co-education schools and my teachers was mostly a female, teaching mix gender, therefore lady Imam is not a taboo for me as you are trying to paint, but I cannot forget the remarks of my different class mates when we are senior high school about the female teachers, we talked about their dressings their body parts and even enjoyed their thoughts in bed at night.
I still remeber that Mauzana in Amina Waduds prayer, wearing high heel shoes, with a tight fitted upper, and without a "Dopata", I confess it would have been very hard for me to concenterate on any thing else.
Now come on don't just start attacking me with all those booos and baaas, it is just natrual and if some one disagrees either she is woman or too old.I am neither a woman nor too old, you need to learn how to control yourself.
Rasul Hamsa rotfl
and where exactly is it allowed rotfl
What do you mean and where is it allowed? You are not supposed to forbid things which God has not forbidden...
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My Dream Mosque Equality at Last
I was exchanging messages with my friend R the other day over our concerns about men running our Mosque boards, councils, finances and Sunday school programs, and the lack of female representation in the 'big picture' decisions. We decided that change was almost impossible so we came up with this brilliant idea why not create our own mosque from scratch?
Our Mosque however will be nontraditional. Men won't be the sole decision makers. Women will have equal access and say on all matters concerning everyone.
Mosque Layout
Main Prayer Space Our first order of business will be to reconstruct the layout of the mosque. The main prayer hall will encompass both men and women. They will be able to visibly see the Imam and participate during the congregation in the same space as the Imam. There will be an overflow space available (first come, first serve) which will serve both genders (which will be equipped with screens that transmit the sermon and prayer services). In addition, the prayer hall will be high tech, equipped with screens for audio and video presentations.
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Women would pray on one side, and men another side with a fair distance in between. I spoke to Hijabman (hijabman.com) about distance issues and he mentioned a knee barrier in between. I don't see a reason why women must be behind men (I am sick of staring at men's boxers!). Side by side works better to keep modesty and equal distance from the Imam. I would like to pray in the first few lines for a change.
This is too 'traditional' for me... nothing new...
Why not let the women be in front? I don't mind seeing women but... erghh.. 'boxers'...
Why not put the Imam in Center Stage, and the ummah encircling him or her..(or neither him or her) and the ummah can interrupt the imam anytime for questions or 'corrections'.
Or why not give an X shaped stage in the center, as thus the Imam can 'run' from side to side while yelli.. erghhh preaching...Salam / Peace
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This is too 'traditional' for me... nothing new...
Why not let the women be in front? I don't mind seeing women but... erghh.. 'boxers'...
Why not put the Imam in Center Stage, and the ummah encircling him or her..(or neither him or her) and the ummah can interrupt the imam anytime for questions or 'corrections'.
Or why not give an X shaped stage in the center, as thus the Imam can 'run' from side to side while yelli.. erghhh preaching......scorching your ears sometimes, yeah, i know yes which points to... what's matter more? the mixed gender issue or the whole method of Salat & masjid itself?
Do you guys think the current "preaching" and centralized "prayer" mode is already working effectively? Participation is quite lacking. I read a joke here on fm yesterday Going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than standing in a garage makes you a car. The same can easily be observed in the nearest traditional mosques today.
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i'm lost.
Yes, I know. This is what happens when you make a flippant remark, it leads to confusion.
Mushu So what are we suggesting here? That when I go to the mosque I should be able to stand in-between two sisters when praying (and vice versa)?
The question here is to what extent of free-mixing in the masjids are we proposing? The scenario presented above is my take on what would happen if we suggest that there should be no limitations, as no such limits are mentioned in the Qur'an. This should have opened the door for someone to pick up where I left of and elucidate whether they agree that the level of free-mixing I'm suggesting might happen is acceptable or not. However, what we got was a flippant remark from you
san why are you trying to stand in between two sisters? sounds fishy...
This might have been funny, except you went and got confused with my response. The insinuation here is that I would go and deliberately stand in-between two sisters if I was given the chance. That something is amiss if a guy ends up surrounded by sisters. So I suggested that it could in fact be the sisters who deliberately wanted to stand next to me (given that I am a desirable young man).
Mushu How do you know it isn't the two sisters surrounding me, eh?
This should have made you reflect on the fact that attraction between men and women is a two-way street. That there is not just a possibility that men would want to have the company of women in the masjid, but women may want the same.
san Nonsensical response (maybe start up a conversation? or you could judge by the look on their face)
So we ended up with this pointless response from you.
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Sorry, bro ;D i meant no offense
that was an interesting case-study nonetheless, and you summed it up perfectly.
What i was trying to point out (too obscure a point maybe, sorry for that), however, is that maybe the gender issue is not the main problem, but rather what we are going to do in the masjid is what is more important. See for example, in college, mixed groups of students exchanging ideas, does the gender issue matter so much, or is it their "exchanging ideas" that makes the essence of their action (i.e. studying)?
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why is it that when mixed gender in the mosque is discussed, which is NOT forbidden in Quran, that MEN invariably think of sex? Surely the place of prayer is for prayer and thinking only of God and one's connection with God, not what the woman in front, behind or next to you is wearing or what you would like to do with her!
Men please get your mind out of the gutter and back on the connection you are supposed to be making with your creator. Remember also you were told to lower your gaze, as in do NOT be looking, keep your mind on God and it shouldnt matter if 10 women are dancing naked in front of you! The LAST thing I think about in a mosque is chatting up a man or anything to do with a man, my mind is on God and only God.
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why is it that when mixed gender in the mosque is discussed, which is NOT forbidden in Quran, that MEN invariably think of sex? Surely the place of prayer is for prayer and thinking only of God and one's connection with God, not what the woman in front, behind or next to you is wearing or what you would like to do with her!
Men please get your mind out of the gutter and back on the connection you are supposed to be making with your creator.
Exactly--you put it better than i tried to. Why the push on gender issue then? Can we get back on discussing how best to perform Salat in congregation, or is this the wrong thread for that?