why do imams scream in the mosques?!

Ayisha

I think he got caught laugh

Prince

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You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers.

Yes, I understood it now, it says ENEMIES of BELIEVERS.

Typical case of

Find a verse
DON'T cross reference it.
Finally use the verse to justify pre-conceived notion.

Yeh ladies I think his internet connection has been taken away from him. rotfl

PEACE

Raaajah

Prince

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You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers.

Quran is the book from Almighty Allah, who knows offcourse better then you three stoogies (take the word in lighter mood).

Why do Quran is a different book from others, because of its truthness that has been tested from time to time, it is the Word of Allah.

Jews the present one's have proven that the word of Allah cannot be a lie.
No matter how you three and PLUS other three if come for your help, try to change it, will never be able to.

Not only the word of Allah, but there own scriptures that is considered to be true word of God this said about them
"And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites(Jews), which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my death ye will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands. (Deuteronomy 3125-29)"

and from Jesus

From Jesus

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 2337)"

Surely they are people with secret agenda and goals, and it has been truly informed by Allah, and surely The IMAMS must SCREAM or NOT but they should inform the Muslims, against the worst ENEMY in eyes of Allah and also inform about the Wolves in Sheeps cover, who under the name of Muslims are working for them.

Ayisha

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You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers.

Quran is the book from Almighty Allah, who knows offcourse better then you three stoogies (take the word in lighter mood).

Why do Quran is a different book from others, because of its truthness that has been tested from time to time, it is the Word of Allah.

Jews the present one's have proven that the word of Allah cannot be a lie.
No matter how you three and PLUS other three if come for your help, try to change it, will never be able to.

and no matter how much YOU try to change it you will never be able to

Not only the word of Allah, but there own scriptures that is considered to be true word of God this said about them
"And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites(Jews), which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my death ye will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands. (Deuteronomy 3125-29)"

and from Jesus

From Jesus

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 2337)"

Surely they are people with secret agenda and goals, and it has been truly informed by Allah, and surely The IMAMS must SCREAM or NOT but they should inform the Muslims, against the worst ENEMY in eyes of Allah and also inform about the Wolves in Sheeps cover, who under the name of Muslims are working for them.

Now you are scratching about in books that you have claimed are corrupted to make them agree with your rediculous claims?

002.062 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

005.069Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

There are 2 verse there which you still ignore and you claim to follow Quran?

You originally posted the whole verse
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You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers. And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, "We are Christian." This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant.

now you are missing off the last part of it that I made bold so you can see it better.

Now lets look at some others relating to our enemies and our friends, according to you

002.113 The Jews say "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.

002.120 Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.

002.135 They say "Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation)." Say thou "Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah."

thats just a few. So what is Allah getting at with what appear to be comflicting verses? Could it be that some of both groups are good and some are bad, just like the claimed muslims?

now an interesting one I found today

003.075 Among the People of the Scripture there is he who, if thou trust him with a weight of treasure, will return it to thee. And among them there is he who, if thou trust him with a piece of gold, will not return it to thee unless thou keep standing over him. That is because they say We have no duty to the Gentiles. They speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly.

I found this intersting and I have used Pickthall translation here as he uses the word 'gentiles' and 'people of the scripture' whereas Ali uses 'people of the Book' and 'pagans'

The only people that use the word 'gentiles' are Jews, so this is talking about the Jews and not the christians. I will look further into this particular verse and the use of the word gentiles, but it seems that what i have been saying for ages about Jews and Christians AND Muslims all being 'People of the Book' could be proven here.
I hope Mazhar is reading this and possibly have something to say on the translation??

Anyway, moving on, why do you ignore other verses raj and only use ONE verse from Quran and loads from Torah and now Bible and also hadith to back you up? (by hadith I mean those things used from the Jewish hadith) Im sure if you are using all these instead of Quran, because there is not enough to back you up in Quran, then you could also start using bukhari hadith too, there will be loads in there to use as backup im sure.

to add, dont think you have made me forget that this discussion is about ZIONISM and Jews TODAY, which of course nothing has proved they are the same as zionism wasnt around then anyway.

Raaajah

Ayisha

Anyway, moving on, why do you ignore other verses raj and only use ONE verse from Quran and loads from Torah and now Bible and also hadith to back you up? (by hadith I mean those things used from the Jewish hadith) Im sure if you are using all these instead of Quran, because there is not enough to back you up in Quran, then you could also start using bukhari hadith too, there will be loads in there to use as backup im sure

Quran does not contradict. The present situation is the practical result of what Allah has warned us about.
What do you mean by using one verse? if you will be satisfied by many let me try then, so the truth could be known

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The Jews even said, "Allah's hand is tied down!" It is their hands that are tied down. They are condemned for uttering such a blasphemy. Instead, His hands are wide open, spending as He wills. For certain, your Lord's revelations to you will cause many of them to plunge deeper into transgression and disbelief. Consequently, we have committed them to animosity and hatred among themselves until the Day of Resurrection. Whenever they ignite the flames of war, GOD puts them out. They roam the earth wickedly, and GOD dislikes the evildoers.

and 512,13 for example.
and also the verse you pointed out

002.120 Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.

and to wind up, with the word of Allah again
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You are the best community ever raised among the people you advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and you believe in GOD. If the followers of the scripture believed, it would be better for them. Some of them do believe, but the majority of them are wicked.

offcourse even a kid knows that there are good and bad people in every nation, community, family but the MAJORITY matters. Christaians according to Allah are the nearest.

Reagrding 375 that you quoted, is also said in their own scriptures, that they have no obligation towards Gentiles, just scroll a little back.

Remeber Zionism is nothing new for JEWS it starts from their very child hood, from their scriptures, as I have quoted numerous quotes.

Ayisha

Ayisha
Quran does not contradict. The present situation is the practical result of what Allah has warned us about.
What do you mean by using one verse? if you will be satisfied by many let me try then, so the truth could be known

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The Jews even said, "Allah's hand is tied down!" It is their hands that are tied down. They are condemned for uttering such a blasphemy. Instead, His hands are wide open, spending as He wills. For certain, your Lord's revelations to you will cause many of them to plunge deeper into transgression and disbelief. Consequently, we have committed them to animosity and hatred among themselves until the Day of Resurrection. Whenever they ignite the flames of war, GOD puts them out. They roam the earth wickedly, and GOD dislikes the evildoers.

and 512,13 for example.
and also the verse you pointed out

002.120 Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.

and to wind up, with the word of Allah again
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You are the best community ever raised among the people you advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and you believe in GOD. If the followers of the scripture believed, it would be better for them. Some of them do believe, but the majority of them are wicked.

offcourse even a kid knows that there are good and bad people in every nation, community, family but the MAJORITY matters. Christaians according to Allah are the nearest.

Reagrding 375 that you quoted, is also said in their own scriptures, that they have no obligation towards Gentiles, just scroll a little back.

Remeber Zionism is nothing new for JEWS it starts from their very child hood, from their scriptures, as I have quoted numerous quotes.

I am now convinced you dont actually READ anything but your own garbage! !

edit corrected spelling as my learning to type properly makes me spell badly '(

Anyway, good opportunity to add something here.

Raj, can you marry a JEW?? According to Quran you CAN and according to Quran you should have love between you and your wife (no they are not just for cooking cleaning and sex) so if jews are as bad as you claim and are the enemies and God warned you so much, why does he allow you to MARRY them, to have families with them and to be garments to them as man and wife?

Raaajah

Ayisha

so if jews are as bad as you claim...

Are you sleepy? my claim, is it my claim? after all those verses from Quran, Bible and torah, and the practical going on at present, Is this my claim? hail to you

Ayisha

Ayisha

Are you sleepy? my claim, is it my claim? after all those verses from Quran, Bible and torah, and the practical going on at present, Is this my claim? hail to you

oh so God is confused is He? Because those verse you posted AND the verses I posted AND that you can marry jews, ALL come from God. is there an appendix to Quran that says in 2010 you cannot marry Jews as they are then Zionists? Oh wait, you are claiming they were zionists THEN back when God said you can marry them!!
So YES it is YOUR claim Raj and all Jews are STILL not Zionists which is what started this.

You have NO arguement, you have not backed up anything you have claimed and you have been proven wrong on every count.

Raaajah

Ayisha

oh so God is confused is He?

No he is not! Infact very clear, it is you who are confused. Every one who tries to deviate from Allah's word becomes confused.

Ayisha...

You have NO arguement, you have not backed up anything you have claimed and you have been proven wrong on every count

Now this statement makes sense.

Raaajah

ayisha

Raj, can you marry a JEW??

Why would I marry a pesron who, hates the Prophets of Allah? who thinks herself the chosen one and of others as GENTILES?

Ayisha

Ayisha
No he is not! Infact very clear, it is you who are confused. Every one who tries to deviate from Allah's word becomes confused.
yes and you are deviating, you are the confused!
Do you DENY those verses? do you deny you can marry a Jew? answer some questions and stop avoiding them. If you are so sure you are right then prove it and explain WHY and why you ignore the verses apart from the one you claim means Jews are Zionists!

Ayisha...Now this statement makes sense.

yes of course it makes sense because you know you cannot back up what you claim and I HAVE on every count.

Now cut the crap and start answering some things based on Quran and not your twisted mind trying to make verses of God say what you want them to by ignoring other verses.

Ayisha

ayisha

Why would I marry a pesron who, hates the Prophets of Allah? who thinks herself the chosen one and of others as GENTILES?

I didnt ask if you want to, I asked if you CAN according to Quran. Your answer shows your mind, you ignore verses that dont match with your mind.

Raaajah

I have not ignored any verse of Quran, the Quran allows you to marry with the people of book
but which kind of people? not those the Majority those who are been cursed by Allah and pointed out earlier in my posts but with these

Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth.
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But this section is to be found in very rare quantity, and also there are plenty of Beautiful Muslimah's around.

Ayisha

I have not ignored any verse of Quran, the Quran allows you to marry with the people of book
but which kind of people? not those the Majority those who are been cursed by Allah and pointed out earlier in my posts but with these

Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth.
7159

But this section is to be found in very rare quantity, and also there are plenty of Beautiful Muslimah's around.

If you had read what I have been posting instead of turning a blind eye while thinking how you can fight it, you would see that is what I and others have been saying all along, that not all Jews are bad or the same or even follow the same thing, just like not al Christians are the same and believe the same things, yet you are too arrogant to see it. Even in those beautiful muslimah you dream of there are a section that are hypocrites and non-believers does that make them all like that? And where does Quran say this section of Jews is to be found in vary rare quantity? That is what YOU have added from your desires, not what God has said.

Raj, for your own good, cut the hatred, open your eyes, read Quran from back to front and inside out and THINK about it ALL as a whole. Look at what God SAYS, not what you THINK he meant to say.

Raaajah

Ayisha

And where does Quran say this section of Jews is to be found in vary rare quantity? That is what YOU have added from your desires, not what God has said.

Actually you have a short memory. Scroll back and check the Ayat in which I posted, Ok wait, as you are so lazy in this, let me repeat it again

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You are the best community ever raised among the people you advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and you believe in GOD. If the followers of the scripture believed, it would be better for them. Some of them do believe, but the majority of them are wicked.

and the Muslimah's you think I dream of, are amongst the best community, according to Allah.
How many times do I have to expose your lies?

Jafar

A "Former" member of this forum told me, "just tell the truth about Jews on this forum and then note the responses, it will be easier for you to know the real face of many here". and how correct he was.

A Jewish man was sitting in Starbucks reading an Arab newspaper.
A friend of his, who happened to be in the same store, noticed this strange phenomenon.
Very upset, he approached him and said

'Moshe, have you lost your mind? Why are you reading an Arab newspaper?'

Moshe replied

'I used to read the Jewish newspapers, but what did I find? Jews
being persecuted, Israel being attacked, Jews disappearing through
assimilation and intermarriage, Jews living in poverty. So I
switched to the Arab newspaper. Now what do I find?

Jews own all the banks, Jews control the media, Jews are all rich
and powerful, Jews rule the world. The news is so much better!'

Salam / Peace

Ayisha

Ayisha

Actually you have a short memory. Scroll back and check the Ayat in which it posted, Ok wait, as you are so lazy in this, let me repeat it again
now the one who has been posting verses all along is termed lazy by the one that has avoided every question, so typical of you.

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You are the best community ever raised among the people you advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and you believe in GOD. If the followers of the scripture believed, it would be better for them. Some of them do believe, but the majority of them are wicked.

There are numerous verses that say the same of those who claim to be muslim, wicked transgressors, hypocrites they are called, and the Arabs the worst in hypocrisy, but as im lazy you will have to search for them yourself.

and the Muslimah's you think I dream of, are amonst the best community, according to Allah.

only if they aren't in the hypocrite and transgrssor section, but again I see you have posted nothing to back it up.

Raaajah

Ayisha

There are numerous verses that say the same of those who claim to be muslim, wicked transgressors, hypocrites they are called, and the Arabs the worst in hypocrisy, but as im lazy you will have to search for them yourself.

What does this has to do with the subject at hand? Your defending Jews by attacking arabs or Muslims or even me? so childish of you and Jaffar.

ayisha

only if they aren't in the hypocrite and transgrssor section, but again I see you have posted nothing to back it up.

backup what?

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You are the best community ever raised among the people you advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and you believe in GOD. If the followers of the scripture believed, it would be better for them. Some of them do believe, but the majority of them are wicked.

Ayisha

raj you have proven yourself to be deaf dumb and blind.

Jafar

Ayisha

What does this has to do with the subject at hand? Your defending Jews by attacking arabs or Muslims or even me? so childish of you and Jaffar.

Dude you should grow up..
I'm not defending Jews.. and you also should not stereotype all Jews are the same..

I'm critizing my own community which now tends to fall to bigotry and racism and 'hating jews' for strange reason..
If you see my post on other threads you can see that I do critize extreme nationalism and racist idealism such as ZIONISM (not Jew but specifically ZIONISM), NAZISM and also PAN-ARAB NATIONALISM..

This 'hate jews' attitude also came up just recently..within this century.. due to Arab-Israel conflict..

There are many centuries where Arab-Jew are so mixed up and collaborate together in peace and harmony..
And yes they do inter-marriage with each other..
That's why you can find many Rabbanical Judaism teaching and law (yes including the law from Talmud) within Arab Sunniism.
Such as but not limited to

The Shema -> The Shahada
The Stoning Punishment
The Death Punishment For Apostate
The Mishna (From Hebrew Verb Shanah) and The Sunnah.. a.k.a Oral Law

And many many many others..

Salam / Peace