why do imams scream in the mosques?!

Raaajah

Ayisha

Anyway, moving on, why do you ignore other verses raj and only use ONE verse from Quran and loads from Torah and now Bible and also hadith to back you up? (by hadith I mean those things used from the Jewish hadith) Im sure if you are using all these instead of Quran, because there is not enough to back you up in Quran, then you could also start using bukhari hadith too, there will be loads in there to use as backup im sure

Quran does not contradict. The present situation is the practical result of what Allah has warned us about.
What do you mean by using one verse? if you will be satisfied by many let me try then, so the truth could be known

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The Jews even said, "Allah's hand is tied down!" It is their hands that are tied down. They are condemned for uttering such a blasphemy. Instead, His hands are wide open, spending as He wills. For certain, your Lord's revelations to you will cause many of them to plunge deeper into transgression and disbelief. Consequently, we have committed them to animosity and hatred among themselves until the Day of Resurrection. Whenever they ignite the flames of war, GOD puts them out. They roam the earth wickedly, and GOD dislikes the evildoers.

and 512,13 for example.
and also the verse you pointed out

002.120 Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.

and to wind up, with the word of Allah again
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You are the best community ever raised among the people you advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and you believe in GOD. If the followers of the scripture believed, it would be better for them. Some of them do believe, but the majority of them are wicked.

offcourse even a kid knows that there are good and bad people in every nation, community, family but the MAJORITY matters. Christaians according to Allah are the nearest.

Reagrding 375 that you quoted, is also said in their own scriptures, that they have no obligation towards Gentiles, just scroll a little back.

Remeber Zionism is nothing new for JEWS it starts from their very child hood, from their scriptures, as I have quoted numerous quotes.

Ayisha

Ayisha
Quran does not contradict. The present situation is the practical result of what Allah has warned us about.
What do you mean by using one verse? if you will be satisfied by many let me try then, so the truth could be known

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The Jews even said, "Allah's hand is tied down!" It is their hands that are tied down. They are condemned for uttering such a blasphemy. Instead, His hands are wide open, spending as He wills. For certain, your Lord's revelations to you will cause many of them to plunge deeper into transgression and disbelief. Consequently, we have committed them to animosity and hatred among themselves until the Day of Resurrection. Whenever they ignite the flames of war, GOD puts them out. They roam the earth wickedly, and GOD dislikes the evildoers.

and 512,13 for example.
and also the verse you pointed out

002.120 Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.

and to wind up, with the word of Allah again
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You are the best community ever raised among the people you advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and you believe in GOD. If the followers of the scripture believed, it would be better for them. Some of them do believe, but the majority of them are wicked.

offcourse even a kid knows that there are good and bad people in every nation, community, family but the MAJORITY matters. Christaians according to Allah are the nearest.

Reagrding 375 that you quoted, is also said in their own scriptures, that they have no obligation towards Gentiles, just scroll a little back.

Remeber Zionism is nothing new for JEWS it starts from their very child hood, from their scriptures, as I have quoted numerous quotes.

I am now convinced you dont actually READ anything but your own garbage! !

edit corrected spelling as my learning to type properly makes me spell badly '(

Anyway, good opportunity to add something here.

Raj, can you marry a JEW?? According to Quran you CAN and according to Quran you should have love between you and your wife (no they are not just for cooking cleaning and sex) so if jews are as bad as you claim and are the enemies and God warned you so much, why does he allow you to MARRY them, to have families with them and to be garments to them as man and wife?

Raaajah

Ayisha

so if jews are as bad as you claim...

Are you sleepy? my claim, is it my claim? after all those verses from Quran, Bible and torah, and the practical going on at present, Is this my claim? hail to you

Ayisha

Ayisha

Are you sleepy? my claim, is it my claim? after all those verses from Quran, Bible and torah, and the practical going on at present, Is this my claim? hail to you

oh so God is confused is He? Because those verse you posted AND the verses I posted AND that you can marry jews, ALL come from God. is there an appendix to Quran that says in 2010 you cannot marry Jews as they are then Zionists? Oh wait, you are claiming they were zionists THEN back when God said you can marry them!!
So YES it is YOUR claim Raj and all Jews are STILL not Zionists which is what started this.

You have NO arguement, you have not backed up anything you have claimed and you have been proven wrong on every count.

Raaajah

Ayisha

oh so God is confused is He?

No he is not! Infact very clear, it is you who are confused. Every one who tries to deviate from Allah's word becomes confused.

Ayisha...

You have NO arguement, you have not backed up anything you have claimed and you have been proven wrong on every count

Now this statement makes sense.

Raaajah

ayisha

Raj, can you marry a JEW??

Why would I marry a pesron who, hates the Prophets of Allah? who thinks herself the chosen one and of others as GENTILES?

Ayisha

Ayisha
No he is not! Infact very clear, it is you who are confused. Every one who tries to deviate from Allah's word becomes confused.
yes and you are deviating, you are the confused!
Do you DENY those verses? do you deny you can marry a Jew? answer some questions and stop avoiding them. If you are so sure you are right then prove it and explain WHY and why you ignore the verses apart from the one you claim means Jews are Zionists!

Ayisha...Now this statement makes sense.

yes of course it makes sense because you know you cannot back up what you claim and I HAVE on every count.

Now cut the crap and start answering some things based on Quran and not your twisted mind trying to make verses of God say what you want them to by ignoring other verses.

Ayisha

ayisha

Why would I marry a pesron who, hates the Prophets of Allah? who thinks herself the chosen one and of others as GENTILES?

I didnt ask if you want to, I asked if you CAN according to Quran. Your answer shows your mind, you ignore verses that dont match with your mind.

Raaajah

I have not ignored any verse of Quran, the Quran allows you to marry with the people of book
but which kind of people? not those the Majority those who are been cursed by Allah and pointed out earlier in my posts but with these

Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth.
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But this section is to be found in very rare quantity, and also there are plenty of Beautiful Muslimah's around.

Ayisha

I have not ignored any verse of Quran, the Quran allows you to marry with the people of book
but which kind of people? not those the Majority those who are been cursed by Allah and pointed out earlier in my posts but with these

Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth.
7159

But this section is to be found in very rare quantity, and also there are plenty of Beautiful Muslimah's around.

If you had read what I have been posting instead of turning a blind eye while thinking how you can fight it, you would see that is what I and others have been saying all along, that not all Jews are bad or the same or even follow the same thing, just like not al Christians are the same and believe the same things, yet you are too arrogant to see it. Even in those beautiful muslimah you dream of there are a section that are hypocrites and non-believers does that make them all like that? And where does Quran say this section of Jews is to be found in vary rare quantity? That is what YOU have added from your desires, not what God has said.

Raj, for your own good, cut the hatred, open your eyes, read Quran from back to front and inside out and THINK about it ALL as a whole. Look at what God SAYS, not what you THINK he meant to say.

Raaajah

Ayisha

And where does Quran say this section of Jews is to be found in vary rare quantity? That is what YOU have added from your desires, not what God has said.

Actually you have a short memory. Scroll back and check the Ayat in which I posted, Ok wait, as you are so lazy in this, let me repeat it again

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You are the best community ever raised among the people you advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and you believe in GOD. If the followers of the scripture believed, it would be better for them. Some of them do believe, but the majority of them are wicked.

and the Muslimah's you think I dream of, are amongst the best community, according to Allah.
How many times do I have to expose your lies?

Jafar

A "Former" member of this forum told me, "just tell the truth about Jews on this forum and then note the responses, it will be easier for you to know the real face of many here". and how correct he was.

A Jewish man was sitting in Starbucks reading an Arab newspaper.
A friend of his, who happened to be in the same store, noticed this strange phenomenon.
Very upset, he approached him and said

'Moshe, have you lost your mind? Why are you reading an Arab newspaper?'

Moshe replied

'I used to read the Jewish newspapers, but what did I find? Jews
being persecuted, Israel being attacked, Jews disappearing through
assimilation and intermarriage, Jews living in poverty. So I
switched to the Arab newspaper. Now what do I find?

Jews own all the banks, Jews control the media, Jews are all rich
and powerful, Jews rule the world. The news is so much better!'

Salam / Peace

Ayisha

Ayisha

Actually you have a short memory. Scroll back and check the Ayat in which it posted, Ok wait, as you are so lazy in this, let me repeat it again
now the one who has been posting verses all along is termed lazy by the one that has avoided every question, so typical of you.

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You are the best community ever raised among the people you advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and you believe in GOD. If the followers of the scripture believed, it would be better for them. Some of them do believe, but the majority of them are wicked.

There are numerous verses that say the same of those who claim to be muslim, wicked transgressors, hypocrites they are called, and the Arabs the worst in hypocrisy, but as im lazy you will have to search for them yourself.

and the Muslimah's you think I dream of, are amonst the best community, according to Allah.

only if they aren't in the hypocrite and transgrssor section, but again I see you have posted nothing to back it up.

Raaajah

Ayisha

There are numerous verses that say the same of those who claim to be muslim, wicked transgressors, hypocrites they are called, and the Arabs the worst in hypocrisy, but as im lazy you will have to search for them yourself.

What does this has to do with the subject at hand? Your defending Jews by attacking arabs or Muslims or even me? so childish of you and Jaffar.

ayisha

only if they aren't in the hypocrite and transgrssor section, but again I see you have posted nothing to back it up.

backup what?

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You are the best community ever raised among the people you advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and you believe in GOD. If the followers of the scripture believed, it would be better for them. Some of them do believe, but the majority of them are wicked.

Ayisha

raj you have proven yourself to be deaf dumb and blind.

Jafar

Ayisha

What does this has to do with the subject at hand? Your defending Jews by attacking arabs or Muslims or even me? so childish of you and Jaffar.

Dude you should grow up..
I'm not defending Jews.. and you also should not stereotype all Jews are the same..

I'm critizing my own community which now tends to fall to bigotry and racism and 'hating jews' for strange reason..
If you see my post on other threads you can see that I do critize extreme nationalism and racist idealism such as ZIONISM (not Jew but specifically ZIONISM), NAZISM and also PAN-ARAB NATIONALISM..

This 'hate jews' attitude also came up just recently..within this century.. due to Arab-Israel conflict..

There are many centuries where Arab-Jew are so mixed up and collaborate together in peace and harmony..
And yes they do inter-marriage with each other..
That's why you can find many Rabbanical Judaism teaching and law (yes including the law from Talmud) within Arab Sunniism.
Such as but not limited to

The Shema -> The Shahada
The Stoning Punishment
The Death Punishment For Apostate
The Mishna (From Hebrew Verb Shanah) and The Sunnah.. a.k.a Oral Law

And many many many others..

Salam / Peace

Raaajah

jaffar

Dude you should grow up..
I'm not defending Jews.. and you also should not stereotype all Jews are the same..

same feelings for you here,,should grow up.
And I never said any thing about Jews, I quoted from Quran, the Word of Allah, that says MAJORITY of the JEWS are cursed by Allah and are Wicked. PERIOD.

This 'hate jews' attitude also came up just recently..within this century.. due to Arab-Israel conflict..

You are absoluetly wrong. You have not read the posts of this thread, scriptures of JEWS, Bible, Quran, and History proves contrary to what you are trying to prove. Sorry.

Ayisha

jaffarsame feelings for you here,,should grow up.
And I never said any thing about Jews, I quoted from Quran, the Word of Allah, that says MAJORITY of the JEWS are cursed by Allah and are Wicked. PERIOD.

You are absoluetly wrong. You have not read the posts of this thread, scriptures of JEWS, Bible, Quran, and History proves contrary to what you are trying to prove. Sorry.

You have quoted 1 or 2 verses whereas i have quoted the same or more saying that of the Jews and Christians that follow thier scripture they will have no fear on the last day, those verses you ignore. You also ignore verses that allow a Muslim to marry a Jews as they are believers too. Allah also curses those who claim to be believers but are not, these are among the Muslims too. Yes you HAVE said much about Jews so dont claim you didnt, this thread is full of it. No one has attacked Muslims and no one is defending jews, thats in your childish mind. Jaffar is right you really should grow up. There are good and bad in all people in all religions and thats what Quran confirms but people like you are the ones when reading how some people say they believe (muslims) but according to Allah they dont and they think 'oh thats not me, im muslim, im a believer' when clearly you are not. A believer also fights against injustice and its injustice towards all Jews that you are displaying, so if thats defending then yes I am, as I would defend anyone against injustice of a bloody minded hypocrite such as you are.

People have spent time trying to open your eyes to what God said, you still prefer to ignore it in order for you to think you 'won' some fictitious war and would rather bury your head than open your eyes. The difference between me and you is that I am mature enough that if you proved me wrong I am mature enough to say yes I am wrong and thank you for showing me, whereas you will continue to stay blind just so you can think you are right. My only concern is that I find the truth from God, which I ask Him for in every prayer I do, your only concern is that you are right.

Raaajah

Ayisha

You have quoted 1 or 2 verses whereas i have quoted the same or more saying that of the Jews and Christians that follow thier scripture they will have no fear on the last day, those verses you ignore. You also ignore verses that allow a Muslim to marry a Jews as they are believers too.

No ash, I have not, ignored any.
If you like I can start a new thread, JUST YOU AND ME, hmmm sounds interesting, can discuss all those verses in details, in an educated way.

People have spent time trying to open your eyes to what God said, you still prefer to ignore it in order for you to think you 'won' some fictitious war and would rather bury your head than open your eyes.

I will win over what? or lose over what? i have never thought of this, that is your assumption. It is only our different way of understanding. That is all. But remember trying to be good is good thing but not at the cost of Allah's ayat.
Offcourse you want to portray Islam and Quran, as a religon which has love for all and hatred for none, because that according to you is the best policy, and you may be sincere in it, but QUran is not like that, it says wrong is wrong, weather you like it or not.
Ayisha

The difference between me and you is that I am mature enough that if you proved me wrong I am mature enough to say yes I am wrong and thank you for showing me, whereas you will continue to stay blind just so you can think you are right.

That is big difference, but I have not seen any practical example of it yet.

Ayisha

Ayisha
No ash, I have not, ignored any.
If you like I can start a new thread, JUST YOU AND ME, hmmm sounds interesting, can discuss all those verses in details, in an educated way.
are you saying you can discuss in an educated way? not seen any example of that yet and why didnt you do it in this thread?

I will win over what? or lose over what? i have never thought of this, that is your assumption.
based on your talk of surrendering, if one surrenders the other wins. your assumptions that we were in some sort of war.

It is only our different way of understanding. That is all. But remember trying to be good is good thing but not at the cost of Allah's ayat.
then why dont you look at them all instead of just sticking to one that says what you claim? I am taking ALL ayat in the whole context of Quran, you are taking part.

Offcourse you want to portray Islam and Quran, as a religon which has love for all and hatred for none, because that according to you is the best policy, and you may be sincere in it, but QUran is not like that, it says wrong is wrong, weather you like it or not.
it seems we do see Quran very differently, how many Jews and Christians have you killed recently?

AyishaThat is big difference, but I have not seen any practical example of it yet.

then you have not read all my posts in all the threads, there are those where i have learnt from others and been able to admit I was wrong. In this case I dont think I am and you have only said things that make me more sure I am not wrong rather than change my mind. You have also now confirmed that there are those that will see the worst rather than the best in Quran and in others and judge according to their own twisted minds.

41.34 The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he, between whom and thee there was enmity (will become) as though he was a bosom friend.