Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah

[Ayisha]

san
Ayisha

Your post becomes irrelevant after the post of Ayisha, where she admits that she is doing it on purpose, and on the other hand by reading her posts its evident that she was asking the answer from Mazhar and not me.

Doing what on purpose raj? answering your questions? because thats all I have done and still not one answered by you, as always )

[san]

san
Ayisha

Your post becomes irrelevant after the post of Ayisha, where she admits that she is doing it on purpose, and on the other hand by reading her posts its evident that she was asking the answer from Mazhar and not me.

If you don't think it's relevant to you, then why even bother to reply?

[Raaajah]

Where have I ever said there was no plan for another messenger after Jesus? Nowhere raj, again thats in your mind and again you are arguing over something I have not said
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You just assume too much, I did not argued, I just thanked Allah that you believe in a Messenger to come is mentioned in Torah and Gospels. You were not able to tell how? is another story.

And you cannot deny that his name was Muhammed from BIRTH, before prophethood and that is why Allah calls him by his name! He would hardly call hi RAAJAH would he if his name was Muhammed! Use your brain.

His calling him Muhammad and not Raaajah confirms that this is the name Allah has Chosen for his beloved Messenger.

You are not using your brain dear.

1. It was decided that a Prophet has to come.
2. Therefore he was a prophet since his birth, (it is only that he was informed about his messengership at 40 Years of age)
3. Allah choses the names of his messengers

The angels said, "O Mary, GOD gives you good news a Word from Him whose name is `The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be prominent in this life and in the Hereafter, and one of those closest to Me.'

Raj stop idolizing Muhammed, it is not what Allah or Muhammed asks of you.

No one is Idolizing, I am praising him as Allah has praised him in various verses of Quran, put forward by me and Mazhar. to Which you have turned your eyes blind.

[Mazhar]

What Mazhar was saying is that A Judge is a Judge 24 Hours, he gets same protocol from the Government and civilians, weather on duty or not.

And for general public, even in ordinary life, let people see the protocol prescribed by Allah for His Messenger Muhammad . Believing in Allah, "worshipping", as some people keep saying, Him alone, performance of excellent righteous deeds can become meaningless and can go waste remaining as a mark of a wound, just merely by non observance of the laid down protocol of the Messenger . Listen carefully what Allah is prescribing

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and you people should never for him be loud in speech/address like that manner some of you people talk loudly with others

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lest your deeds become worthless

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while you people are not even aware to perceive it.

[Ayisha]

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You just assume too much, I did not argued, I just thanked Allah that you believe in a Messenger to come is mentioned in Torah and Gospels. You were not able to tell how? is another story.
You assumed I didnt believe in the messenger that Quran tells of. Nowhere have I said or implied that I didnt.

I also asked you if you know how, you ignored that. Read Deut 1818 onwards, as I believe that is talking about Muhammed. In the new testament I believe where Jesus says he will send 'another comforter' to be also talking about Muhammed, which is where you started on about Greek Bibles and Parklytos.

His calling him Muhammad and not Raaajah confirms that this is the name Allah has Chosen for his beloved Messenger.
No it confirms his name was Muhammed from birth, he didnt know he was a prophet or messenger until he was 40, do you think he had another name before that? You are purposefully skipping round this.

You are not using your brain dear.

1. It was decided that a Prophet has to come.
2. Therefore he was a prophet since his birth, (it is only that he was informed about his messengership at 40 Years of age)
3. Allah choses the names of his messengers

The angels said, "O Mary, GOD gives you good news a Word from Him whose name is `The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be prominent in this life and in the Hereafter, and one of those closest to Me.'
Allah told Mary the name of her child, Allah did not tell Muhammeds parents the name of theirs nor did He tell other prophets parents the name of thiers, if you think otherwise then prove it.

No one is Idolizing, I am praising him as Allah has praised him in various verses of Quran, put forward by me and Mazhar. to Which you have turned your eyes blind.

I have not turned a blind eye to anything Allah has said in Quran, nor that He sent blessings on Muhammed and on us too. Allah also created an entire universe, are you going to try doing that too because Allah did it? Allah does not tell us to raise one prophet higher than others, Muhammed wanted nor asked for any reward for delivering the message, you are idolizing him whether you think you are or not and you are separating him from the other messengers in doing this just as christians do with Jesus.

[Ayisha]

siki
Firstly That Messenger happens to be "Muhammad".
Secondly it might help in the discussion if you tell us What are the duties of the Messenger?
His only duty is to convey the message

For example
Quran calls Muhammad as "Mercy for all the worlds" (sorry if it hurts any body)
verse please, Quran is a mercy.

If he is part time Messenger than while delivering the Messege he is "Mercy" and when in his real life he is "what?".

A judge to be comapred with Messenger of Allah, who is for all the worlds, and the Last one, does not make any sense.
Allah is Lord of all the worlds, not Muhammed, Muhammed and Allah are different

What Mazhar was saying is that A Judge is a Judge 24 Hours, he gets same protocol from the Government and civilians, weather on duty or not.
but he cannot make legal rulings during dinner, he makes legal rulings in his JOB in court.

Now read this the word of Allah
And know that the messenger of Allah is among you. If he were to obey you in much of the government, ye would surely be in trouble..

Therefore it is very clear that when not delivering the Message, and dealing with daily to daily affairs he is still guided by Allah, and .....

and show respect for who he is. No one is saying anything else but his JOB was to deliver a message and outsid of that he was still a man living a life with family and with business interactions just like anyone else, not everything he said and did is part of his JOB and so not part of the message he delivered. No one is disputing he was the messenger of Allah.

[Ayisha]

And for general public, even in ordinary life, let people see the protocol prescribed by Allah for His Messenger Muhammad . Believing in Allah, "worshipping", as some people keep saying, Him alone, performance of excellent righteous deeds can become meaningless and can go waste remaining as a mark of a wound, just merely by non observance of the laid down protocol of the Messenger . Listen carefully what Allah is prescribing
The laid down protocol of Allah that the messenger followed you mean?

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and you people should never for him be loud in speech/address like that manner some of you people talk loudly with others

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lest your deeds become worthless

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while you people are not even aware to perceive it.

Like not shouting and cursing someone who asked a question?

[Mazhar]

Like not shouting and cursing someone who asked a question?

Seeing by one eye closed will only show this and not that what was written earlier to which was this the response.

[Mazhar]

And for general public, even in ordinary life, let people see the protocol prescribed by Allah for His Messenger Muhammad . Believing in Allah, "worshipping", as some people keep saying, Him alone, performance of excellent righteous deeds can become meaningless and can go waste remaining as a mark of a wound, just merely by non observance of the laid down protocol of the Messenger . Listen carefully what Allah is prescribing

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and you people should never for him be loud in speech/address like that manner some of you people talk loudly with others

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lest your deeds become worthless

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while you people are not even aware to perceive it.

And Ayisha, what you have to say about the quote?

[Ayisha]

Seeing by one eye closed will only show this and not that what was written earlier to which was this the response.

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[Ayisha]

And Ayisha, what you have to say about the quote?

That you shouldn't shout at, or talk above, the messenger.

[Raaajah]

You assumed I didnt believe in the messenger that Quran tells of. Nowhere have I said or implied that I didnt.

You donot respect him as he should be, is the point. You compare Prophets with animals, there are some who call him a mere post man, there are others who think that he was a part time messenger, that is not funny at all, I feel my duty to inform that we should give due respect to him. to whom Allah has praised in his Book.

I also asked you if you know how, you ignored that. Read Deut 1818 onwards, as I believe that is talking about Muhammed. In the new testament I believe where Jesus says he will send 'another comforter' to be also talking about Muhammed, which is where you started on about Greek Bibles and Parklytos.

Because there you could find the word that is equivalent to Muhammad.

No it confirms his name was Muhammed from birth, he didnt know he was a prophet or messenger until he was 40, do you think he had another name before that? You are purposefully skipping round this.

I think you are a Quran aloner, where did you get the story that his name was Muhammad, Shall we discuss that? Lets remain to Quran what Allah calls him is the name chosen by Allah.

The angels said, "O Mary, GOD gives you good news a Word from Him whose name is `The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be prominent in this life and in the Hereafter, and one of those closest to Me.'
Allah told Mary the name of her child, Allah did not tell Muhammeds parents the name of theirs nor did He tell other prophets parents the name of thiers, if you think otherwise then prove it.

The angels said, "O Mary, GOD gives you good news a Word from Him whose name is `The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be prominent in this life and in the Hereafter, and one of those closest to Me
O Zakariya! We give thee good news of a son His name shall be Yahya on none by that name have We conferred distinction before."

Its only that they will not believe.

[Ayisha]

You donot respect him as he should be, is the point. You compare Prophets with animals, there are some who call him a mere post man, there are others who think that he was a part time messenger, that is not funny at all, I feel my duty to inform that we should give due respect to him. to whom Allah has praised in his Book.
dont resepct his as he should be meaning I dont raise his status higher than other messengers or as high as Allah? I respect Muhammed, what you do is idolize him. I have not compared him to animals, I was pointing out that the MESSAGE is the important part and not the messenger that brings it. He was a messenger sent to deliver a message, just like a postman, and whether you like that or not that was his only duty, to deliver the message which is THE important part. I feel it my duty to inform you that what you are doing is making an idol of a messenger of God.

Because there you could find the word that is equivalent to Muhammad.

It has been discussed that the 'description' given in the books is of 'the praised one', or 'the one worthy of praise. In Quran it was said that Jesus called him Ahmed, not Muhammed but Ahmed, praised one or highly praised, this name Ahmed is not in Hebrew but an equivalent will be. You should also know that there are many other names also meaning 'praised one' including the names Judah, Eneus, Hillel and Ahmed, or 'God's grace' John, 'God's servant' Abdul, Abdullah among others, so any one of those names would have suited the description given of the coming messenger.

I think you are a Quran aloner, where did you get the story that his name was Muhammad, Shall we discuss that? Lets remain to Quran what Allah calls him is the name chosen by Allah.
the 'story' that his name was Muhammed?? are you serious? What lengths are you now going to try to go to Raj? Ok, what was his name for 40 years of his life if it wasn't Muhammed? Please I would really like to know. You claime God 'named him' Muhammed and show verse where God named Jesus and john, which in no way proves anything. Where is the verse showing that God sent a message to Muhammeds parents with this name? Why would that be left out if it happened?

The angels said, "O Mary, GOD gives you good news a Word from Him whose name is `The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be prominent in this life and in the Hereafter, and one of those closest to Me
O Zakariya! We give thee good news of a son His name shall be Yahya on none by that name have We conferred distinction before."
And the verse where God tells Muhammeds parents is..........?? not there.

Its only that they will not believe.

I believe you are trying to add things to Quran that are not there, I believe you are trying to manipulate verses to prove a moot point and I believe that you are so lost in your idolizing Muhammed you will invent anything to 'prove' what you believe.

[Mazhar]

That you shouldn't shout at, or talk above, the messenger.

Pl put your verbace on "shout at", you will get a different word from the word which you will get on "talk". And again concentrate on the words of the Ayat. Try to notice particle "", may be you get the true meanings of the command, and understand what "to be loud in talk about/against someone" means and conveys in our ordinary conversations.

[Raaajah]

Allah told Mary the name of her child, Allah did not tell Muhammeds parents the name of theirs nor did He tell other prophets parents the name of thiers, if you think otherwise then prove it.

and when I showed you two Ayats as proof, you are asking for more

And the verse where God tells Muhammeds parents is..........?? not there

Very similar to the Jews in time of Musa A.S

Notice Quran
They said "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what (heifer) it is!" He said; "He says The heifer should be neither too old nor too young, but of middling age. Now do what ye are commanded!" They said "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us Her colour." He said "He says A fawn-coloured heifer, pure and rich in tone, the admiration of beholders!"
They said "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what she is To us are all heifers alike We wish indeed for guidance, if Allah wills."

Quran
Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.

You asked me where did Allah called Muhammad peace is upon him "Mercy for all the worlds" I have taken the translation from "progressive Muslims" tell them to change it,
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And We have not sent you except as a mercy to the worlds.

Still only a DUMB, DEAF AND BLIND can deny the exalted position of Muhammad Peace is upon him, after reading this.

Praise be to Allah, lord of Ram, Budha, Musa, Issa, Muhammad mine and yours

[Ayisha]

Allah told Mary the name of her child, Allah did not tell Muhammeds parents the name of theirs nor did He tell other prophets parents the name of thiers, if you think otherwise then prove it.

and when I showed you two Ayats as proof, you are asking for more
Very similar to the Jews in time of Musa A.S

Notice Quran
They said "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what (heifer) it is!" He said; "He says The heifer should be neither too old nor too young, but of middling age. Now do what ye are commanded!" They said "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us Her colour." He said "He says A fawn-coloured heifer, pure and rich in tone, the admiration of beholders!"
They said "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what she is To us are all heifers alike We wish indeed for guidance, if Allah wills."

So you cant prove it raj. of course you cant because it didnt happen.

It is nothing like the Musa people, you are claiming God named Muhammed and show me verses where he named Jesus and John as proof, that would be like Moses saying kill a camel and the people asking what colour heifer. You have made red part of my post and any idiot, accept you, would be able to see I am referring to any other apart from those mentioned, but you are deaf dumb and blind in your quest to idolize Muhammed.

You made a false claim you cannot back up and instead of accepting that you trying twisting verses to prove something which is false, may God have mercy on you.

"And when God Alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned beside Him, they rejoice! "

Quran
Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.

You asked me where did Allah called Muhammad peace is upon him "Mercy for all the worlds" I have taken the translation from "progressive Muslims" tell them to change it,
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And We have not sent you except as a mercy to the worlds.
I asked for the verse, why do you assume I want it changing? It is so obvious you are defending your idolization of Muhammed that even when you posted it you said "sorry if it hurts any body", why would it? You think because not everyone has a need to worship a human that they dont believe in him at all, which is not so.

Still only a DUMB, DEAF AND BLIND can deny the exalted position of Muhammad Peace is upon him, after reading this.

Praise be to Allah, lord of Ram, Budha, Musa, Issa, Muhammad mine and yours

12106 And most of them believe not in Allah without associating (other as partners) with Him!

[Raaajah]

You have made red part of my post and any idiot, accept you, would be able to see I am referring to any other apart from those mentioned,..

You are a Liar, just scroll back and you will see, initially I only mentioned, Jesus, you asked for more and I presented the verse about "Yahya".

What name does Allah calls the Messenger to whom Quran was delivered?
Come on utter it, because you utter it day and night, but you will just not accept it.

When you just recited the above Ayat
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And We have not sent you except as a mercy to the worlds.
Allah Praised his Messenger, (Allah Ho Akbar)
and so did you,
Believe it or not, You just praised him while reciting this Ayat.

And to let you know, It is only Allah who is to be worshipped and to make partners with him of any kind is the Biggest Shirk, Muhammad is Just a Messenger of Allah, who is a Human being, but he is the one who has been exalted to higher ranks by Allah and sorry you and i cannot do any thing in this regard, try to down grade him by making him equal to animals, or calling him mere post man or part time messenger.

[Ayisha]

You have made red part of my post and any idiot, accept you, would be able to see I am referring to any other apart from those mentioned,..

You are a Liar, just scroll back and you will see, initially I only mentioned, Jesus, you asked for more and I presented the verse about "Yahya".

Raj

It is said "Paraklytos" is actually "Muhammad" in Aramaic - the mother tongue' of Prophet Jesus

Ayisha

I am not, repeat NOT disputing that Jesus did tell of him and I am NOT disputing that he was also told about in Torah see Deut 1818, what i AM disputing is that the name Mohammed was given to him on the dy he was BORN by any other that his parents. The Praised One or The Praiser in Arabic is Muhammed/Ahmed and I am not disputing that either.

Ayisha
Paraklytos is actually Greek

Raj
I think we all know that?

What you fail to understand is that, what was the Language of Issa A.S?
Greek or Aramaic?

Muhammad in Arabic means "praised one" or "the honored", and "Periklytos" in Greek also means "the honored" one.

the real word has to be "Periklytos", in John 1416

Muhammad is the name of the Messanger as MAzhar has shown you, given by Allah to the pesron who carried his Message.

Ayisha
make your mind up, Greek or Aramaic Raj? it cant be both now can it? {Note when I quoted this you said I was making things up}

Quran says 'Ahmed' and in English its 'praiser', thats what I have said and now you are trying to convince me? And Muhammed IS Arabic, 'not Muhammed in Arabic means praised one' its Muhammed in English means praised one, in Arabic it means Muhammed!

the real word would not be Greek as Jesus (and John) both spoke ARAMAIC and not GREEK, Paraklytos is Greek and you have said yourself that the Greek translated Bible "is nothing but a mere translation to what Jesus originally spoke" so why do you assume now he suddenly slipped in a Greek word? No one is trying to disprove Allah's word, where on Gods green earth do you get that from? Huh? What you need to find is the Aramaic for 'praiser' or 'praised one' if you are sticking with that.

Jesus 'told of him' by the name of Ahmed, I am not disputing! Allah told of him i am not disputing! his name is Ahmed. Muhammed was NAMED by his parents MUHAMMED. Now unless you think God sent an angel to his mother like He did to Mary, then it was NOT known at his birth that this Muhammed was that Ahmed!

Rofl, are you trying to prove his name was Muhammed? yes we already know that raj. None of these verses prove that it wasnt his parents who gave him the name at birth though, they 'prove' that is his name, well done the first also proves he was but a messenger

Raj
Why Allah calls him by the name of Muhammad in Quran?

Ayisha
because that was his name, no point in saying 'oh fred' to a man named Muhammed is there?

his name was Muhammed BEFORE his prophethood and BEFORE he got the message of Quran, or do you deny that too?

Raj
I think it is nearly impossible to have a productive discussion with you.

Please read this Verse not just with open eyes but open heart and mind,

follow the messenger, the gentile prophet , whom they find written in their Torah and Gospel.......

Is the verse about Past, present or future,? (at the time of revelation). It was already been decided in the greater plan of Allah, that a Person will come in Future, who will be Prophet of Allah, and to your and many's bad luck his name was "Muhammad" as called by Allah in Quran.

Ayisha
it is past as Torah and Gospel were before Quran, it says whom they find mentioned in, it does not say that his name was mentioned but that HE was mentioned, he was foretold about.

Raj
So you agree that Allah had a plan for a Prophet to come, Thanks Allah.
That was my question to you, how is he mentioned/foretold?, and you passed it on to me, as usual.

Ayisha
Where have I ever said there was no plan for another messenger after Jesus? Nowhere raj, again thats in your mind and again you are arguing over something I have not said.

Raj
And the name of that prophet was Muhammad, as Allah calls him in Quran.
YOU CANNOT DENY THIS FACT.

Ayisha
And you cannot deny that his name was Muhammed from BIRTH, before prophethood and that is why Allah calls him by his name! He would hardly call hi RAAJAH would he if his name was Muhammed! Use your brain.

raj
His calling him Muhammad and not Raaajah confirms that this is the name Allah has Chosen for his beloved Messenger.

Ayisha
No it confirms his name was Muhammed from birth, he didnt know he was a prophet or messenger until he was 40, do you think he had another name before that? You are purposefully skipping round this.

raj
You are not using your brain dear.

1. It was decided that a Prophet has to come.
2. Therefore he was a prophet since his birth, (it is only that he was informed about his messengership at 40 Years of age)
3. Allah choses the names of his messengers

The angels said, "O Mary, GOD gives you good news a Word from Him whose name is `The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be prominent in this life and in the Hereafter, and one of those closest to Me.'

Ayisha
Allah told Mary the name of her child, Allah did not tell Muhammeds parents the name of theirs nor did He tell other prophets parents the name of thiers, if you think otherwise then prove it.

Ok there is the entire sorry argument. Raj, listen and hear

I FOLLOW QURAN, I FOLLOW GOD. I HAVE READ QURAN MORE THAN ONCE SO I KNOW IN QURAN ALLAH SHOWED HE NAMED JESUS AND JOHN. I also know from Torah that Allah changed Abrahams name from Abram to Abraham and yes there were others.

Do you understand that Raj?

The POINT I have been trying to make that YOU keep IGNORING is that there is NO VERSE where Allah NAMED Muhammed. Allah did NOT tell Muhammeds parents they will have a son who will be a messenger of Allah and they are to name him Muhammed, it did NOT happen so who is the LIAR Raj? YOU for INVENTING things that Allah did NOT say. Now you have Muhammed as a prophet from birth who was only told after he was 40, his name was Muhammed for 40 years and to justify your LIES you claim it was some story that his name was Muhammed from birth!!

I BELIEVE MUHAMMED WAS A MESSENGER OF ALLAH, does that make you happy now raj? I have said this many times and any idiot except you will know I cannot follow Quran without believing this. he was named Muhammed by his parents, NOT by Allah telling his parents what to name him!

What name does Allah calls the Messenger to whom Quran was delivered?
He calls him BY HIS NAME, are you really so stupid Raj or so blinded by idolatry? IT WAS HIS NAME.

Come on utter it, because you utter it day and night, but you will just not accept it.
huh? ??? Now you saying his name is ALLAH or what?

When you just recited the above Ayat
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And We have not sent you except as a mercy to the worlds.
Allah Praised his Messenger, (Allah Ho Akbar)
and so did you,
Believe it or not, You just praised him while reciting this Ayat.
do you understand the word 'fanatic' raj?

I PRAISE ALLAH ALL PRAISE IS FOR ALLAH.

12106 And most of them believe not in Allah without associating (other as partners) with Him!

And to let you know, It is only Allah who is to be worshipped and to make partners with him of any kind is the Biggest Shirk, Muhammad is Just a Messenger of Allah, who is a Human being, but he is the one who has been exalted to higher ranks by Allah and sorry you and i cannot do any thing in this regard, try to down grade him by making him equal to animals, or calling him mere post man or part time messenger.

I have NEVER tried to make him equal to animals and you are a LIAR Raj. I have never tried to downgrade him either so again you LIE. he was JUST a messenger of Allah and that is YOUR quote, there are numerous verses telling his duty was to convey the message and NOTHING MORE. You ARE committing SHIRK whether you think so or not. Even your claim about 'higher ranks' you gave verses about Jesus and Moses as PROOF! You IDOLIZE Muhammed, he is your IDOL and you utter his name BESIDES Allahs every single day, you praise Muhammed MORE than you do Allah and you are too blind to see it.

12106 And most of them believe not in Allah without associating (other as partners) with Him!

3945 When Allah, the One and Only, is mentioned, the hearts of those who believe not in the Hereafter are filled with disgust and horror; but when (gods) other than He are mentioned, behold, they are filled with joy!

2262 That is because Allah - He is the Reality; and those besides Him whom they invoke,- they are but vain Falsehood verily Allah is He, Most High, Most Great.

3130 That is because Allah is the (only) Reality, and because whatever else they invoke besides Him is Falsehood; and because Allah,- He is the Most High, Most Great.

4084 But when they saw Our Punishment, they said "We believe in Allah,- the one Allah - and we reject the partners we used to join with Him."

[Mazhar]

I have NEVER tried to make him equal to animals and you are a LIAR Raj. I have never tried to downgrade him either so again you LIE. he was JUST a messenger of Allah and that is YOUR quote, there are numerous verses telling his duty was to convey the message and NOTHING MORE. You ARE committing SHIRK whether you think so or not. Even your claim about 'higher ranks' you gave verses about Jesus and Moses as PROOF! You IDOLIZE Muhammed, he is your IDOL and you utter his name BESIDES Allahs every single day, you praise Muhammed MORE than you do Allah and you are too blind to see it.

12106 And most of them believe not in Allah without associating (other as partners) with Him!

3945 When Allah, the One and Only, is mentioned, the hearts of those who believe not in the Hereafter are filled with disgust and horror; but when (gods) other than He are mentioned, behold, they are filled with joy!

2262 That is because Allah - He is the Reality; and those besides Him whom they invoke,- they are but vain Falsehood verily Allah is He, Most High, Most Great.

3130 That is because Allah is the (only) Reality, and because whatever else they invoke besides Him is Falsehood; and because Allah,- He is the Most High, Most Great.

4084 But when they saw Our Punishment, they said "We believe in Allah,- the one Allah - and we reject the partners we used to join with Him."

Ayisha, the point that you are trying to emphasise does not get support from the Aayat you have quoted. Those mention idols/statues whom people call and treat also as Ileha other than Allah. Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam is not a hand sculpted statue or idol, and none has ever called him as an ileha besides Allah.

There are many Aayat you will find to support the argument you are forwarding, that he is the Messenger of Allah and his primary responsibility is to deliver the message of Allah.

A lot majority of people most willingly and pleasantly elevate and equate hand sculpted statues as various Ileha considering and treating them as partners of Allah but majority never agreed to accept exalted stature or position or status of His Messengers. Is it not intriguing?

[Ayisha]

Ayisha, the point that you are trying to emphasise does not get support from the Aayat you have quoted. Those mention idols/statues whom people call and treat also as Ileha other than Allah. Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam is not a hand sculpted statue or idol, and none has ever called him as an ileha besides Allah.
which words mean hand scultured statues in the Arabic?

There are many Aayat you will find to support the argument you are forwarding, that he is the Messenger of Allah and his primary responsibility is to deliver the message of Allah.
The point I am trying to make is that his name was Muhammed from birth given to him by his parents who were not forwarned of his messengership and told what to name him as the parents of Jesus and John were and as raj is doing cartwheels to 'prove'

A lot majority of people most willingly and pleasantly elevate and equate hand sculpted statues as various Ileha considering and treating them as partners of Allah but majority never agreed to accept exalted stature or position or status of His Messengers. Is it not intriguing?

What is intreguing is that you also cannot see there is no difference in elevating a stone statue or a human being to be partners with Allah when the example of doing the same to Jesus, who was also a messenger, is there in Quran. It doesnt matter whether its a stone statue or a human being or money or a wife/husband or a film star, idolatry is idolatry whatever the 'idol' may be and it is not necessarliy done consciously either, so saying 'i dont worship Muhammed' while insisting he is elevated to a higher rank than any other purely based on being the last messenger or that Allah praised him, when Allah praised HUMANS and His other messengers also, is IDOL WORSHIP no matter what you call it.

If you base your belief on Quran, as you do (and im not knocking that) then your faith is based on Muhammed delivering that message of Quran. This entire arguement has been based around yours and Raj's insistance that without Muhammed there would be no message, i disagree. Because of this you elevate this messenger above all others for the delivery of this message, and that is why i said if it came through a donkey I would still believe in IT, the MESSAGE. if IT fell off a tree I would still believe in IT. If IT was written on the side of a mountain I would still believe in IT. THIS is what you and raj fail to grasp, that it is IT that is important, not how we got IT. 39.45 DOES support what you do. I and many many other people in this world have KNOWN there is a God, KNOWN there is a creator and praised that creator based on what we SEE in His SIGNS which are all around us, yours are based in a BOOK brought by a messenger. The Quran CONFIRMS what i believe, for you and Raj it IS what you believe. Where would you be if there had been NO Quran?

IMO this is what Quran is telling you, its all there if you just LOOK.