Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah

Mazhar

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Through the study of the Quran, i have come to the understanding that THE BOOK was given to all prophets (2213, 683-89) and Quran/Recital is simply the confirmation and detail of THE BOOK (1037) that was given to all. Torah, Psalms and Gospel are not books but rather attributes and characteristics of THE BOOK. (Al-Kitab).

One GOD
One Judgement
One standard
One BOOK
AMEN Ayisha

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and whoever refuses to accept Allah, and the Angels, and His BOOKS and His Messengers and the Last Day
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then for this reason indeed he perished/lost himself to the far destructive end of neglectfulness.

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Mazhar

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"??There is no changing the words of God" 1064

If we read the Quran with this understanding, a whole lot of questions are answered very clearly. It will also become clear that why the Quran constantly refers the Messenger and not by name.

Most people do not and will not believe in this however.

agreed - Ayisha

How hasty are people in agreeing to an incorrect statement whenever it is with reference to the Elevated Messener of Allah!! sadistic pleaure!!!

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and they acknowledged/accepted which has gradually been sent/communicated to Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam,

Surat 47

Ayisha

How hasty are people in agreeing to an incorrect statement whenever it is with reference to the Elevated Messener of Allah!! sadistic pleaure!!!
sadistic pleasure? ??? And of course you mean the ONE and ONLY elevated messenger and THAT is what I and others have a problem with, not WHO it is. If you were doing this with Jesus or Moses or any other messenger my feelings would be the same so stop with your sadistic pleasure of thinking anything other than that.

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Ayisha

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2285

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and whoever refuses to accept Allah, and the Angels, and His BOOKS and His Messengers and the Last Day
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then for this reason indeed he perished/lost himself to the far destructive end of neglectfulness.

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and His MessengerS

Mazhar

sadistic pleasure? ??? And of course you mean the ONE and ONLY elevated messenger and THAT is what I and others have a problem with, not WHO it is. If you were doing this with Jesus or Moses or any other messenger my feelings would be the same so stop with your sadistic pleasure of thinking anything other than that.

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The Ayat quoted is with reference to this

If we read the Quran with this understanding, a whole lot of questions are answered very clearly. It will also become clear that why the Quran constantly refers the Messenger and not by name......Agreed Ayisha

So you withdraw from agreeing to it.

Mazhar

and His MessengerS

This too is irrelevant. The Ayat quoted with underlined plural words "His BOOKS" and point rebutted was this
"Through the study of the Quran, i have come to the understanding that THE BOOK was given to all prophets (2213, 683-89) and Quran/Recital is simply the confirmation and detail of THE BOOK (1037) that was given to all. Torah, Psalms and Gospel are not books but rather attributes and characteristics of THE BOOK. (Al-Kitab)." Amen-Ayisha

Do you accept the word of Allah or misconceived understanding of this gentleman?

Ayisha

This too is irrelevant. The Ayat quoted with underlined plural words "His BOOKS" and point rebutted was this Do you accept the word of Allah or misconceived understanding of this gentleman?

so who are the people of The Book? and what does the The Mother of The Book consist of?

afridi220

so who are the people of The Book? and what does the The Mother of The Book consist of?

Mother of the book is like a super computer

szuberi

the word "kutubihi" indeed is a plural of Book but this does not mean that there are several books given to several prophets.

Keep 2213 and 683-89 in mind where the singular and proper THE BOOK is used.

Kutubihi is a reference to the "surahs" that are contained within THE BOOK.

To understand this further, you will have to take out all references of "Alkitab", "Kutubihi", "Kutub", "Torah, Gospel, Psalms" and then do a comprehensive analysis.

szuberi

Please read this verse

you who believe; believe in God and His messenger, and the Book which was sent down to His messenger, and the Book which was sent before. And whoever rejects God, and His angels, and His Books, and His messengers, and the Last Day; then he has strayed a far straying (4136)

In the same verse, the word THE BOOK (Al-Kitab - singular) and Books (Kutub - plural). What does this mean? The answer is given in 982-3

?Rasool (messenger) from Allah rehearses purified pages. In them (pages) are BOOKS (kutub) established.?
(982-3)

Each page of the quran is pure. All the pages are purified. A messenger recites from these purified pages. And what are written in the pages??????????..ayats?.verses!!! Each ayat/verse is a BOOK in itself!

Raaajah

hafeez Kazi

2255 Translation by Mazhar
Allah is He except Whom there is no iela'aha, He is The Living, The Ever Living; Perpetually living; not subject to death.doziness/drowsiness and sleep can never overtake Him for Him is everyone/thing who/what is in the Skies and on/in the Earth/All what is in the Skies and the Earth are for Him subservient/dependant .Who is the one competent/legally qualified who could recommend/plead before Him except by His prior permission ?He knows what is before/in their present and past and what is after/future of them and they cannot encompass anything from His knowledge except what He desires to share.His sovereignty/dominance extends beyond the Skies and the Earth. And taking care of these both two does not weary Him.And He is The Exalted Supreme, The Greatest.

Muhammad was not witness to each and every thing, but he surely was witness and will be witness to many things, You cannot compare yourself with Muhammad peace is upon him. You are just an ordinary human being, other Prophets were Chosen one's by Allah for their specific nations but Muhammad is

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He was for all mankind, for all worlds. and Allah tells us in following Ayat

And We have raised your remembrance

Why RAISE the remembrance of a DEAD person? of what use is IT?

Mazhar

ayats?.verses!!! Each ayat/verse is a BOOK in itself

In English one might presume a feminine equivalent to masculine, but in Arabic it is NOT possible, since it is the languae of fact and reality. Ayat is feminine and Book is masculine. And a feminine is never like the masculine.

Raaajah

To hafeez Kazi and other Munkareen-e- Shaane Muhammad

Remember when Allah took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you."

Allah;s Messengers are bearing witness on something they have not yet seen. This also confirms the Elevated status of Muhammad Peace is upon him in eyes of Allah.

Allah Ho Akbar, that is how Allah exposes the Falsehood.

Mazhar

except by His prior permission
Then/for reason indeed We will ask those people towards whom the Messenger was sent;
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and indeed We will ask about those people from the Messengers.

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Then/in response to their answer We will narrate/show to them complete detail with knowledge,
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since We were not absent .

Surat Al Airaaf-7

Ayisha

This too is irrelevant. The Ayat quoted with underlined plural words "His BOOKS" and point rebutted was this Do you accept the word of Allah or misconceived understanding of this gentleman?

I accept the Word of Allah and not what I believe to be your misconceived idea of the Word of Allah. In Quran Allah tells me to think and reflect on its verses, that is done using some common sense, which is called common sense as we are all given some, its common. I have seen you here telling someone to NOT use common sense when thinking about an ayat, which is against what Allah said.

I have believed for a while now, and same as szuberi have come to the conclusion that The Quran, or at the very least the Mother of the Book, is comprised of ALL Allah's words that have been given to man and just like as afridi said, its like a super computer and Allah has the hard drive, so when Allah says 'no one can change the words of Allah' He aint kidding, Hes got the hard drive, the whole copy.

People of the book are all of us that listen to Allahs words, not just Christians or Jews, and those verses apply to us all. To imply that The Book is Quran and only Quran IMO is wrong as that is not what Allah says when you look at the whole wood instead of inspecting the bark of the trees individually. That is why this FINAL message is for ALL mankind and confirms what came before it are from Allah are part of this message and that is why they are in this message.

You may be well versed in the Arabic language but your manner and the way you pass that information on is not in any way how you have been told to 'teach' and is not following any prophet that i have heard of. You call people ignorant, stupid, munafiq , claim an Arabic teacher would slap the face of one not getting it and have even claimed that learning Arabic is easy for those who dont have veils on their hearts. this is not for YOU to decide who has a veil on his/her heart or not and you too may very well have one over yours which your apparent arrogance shines through. With a little humility and a bucket of patience you could teach many many people how to understand the Arabic language but instead you have tantrums and call names and fail to have a productive discussion or debate. In your mind you are right and everyone else is wrong and you are not in the least bit 'pliable' nor will you even think for one minute that someone else may have a good point, which many have here.

Arabic script and language is very similar to your own mother tongue, so learning this is much easier for you than someone like me, but I do think that as I said above, you cannot see the wood for the trees.

Ayisha

Taking advantage of your quote, Raaajah, let me further clarify what is in the paretheses, which may help some to understand how would he act as "the Witness-Shaidan"

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Then/for reason indeed We will ask those people towards whom the Messenger was sent;

those people to whom the messenger was sent, those who were there during his lifetime

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and indeed We will ask about those people from the Messengers.
those people, the ones who were there when the messenger was alive

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Then/in response to their answer We will narrate/show to them complete detail with knowledge,
because only Allah knows the complete detail even though the messengers were there with those people in their lifetimes

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since We were not absent .
As Allah was there, here and everywhere and not absent like the messengers were after their death

Surat Al Airaaf-7

amazing you cant even see it in your own translation

Mazhar

To hafeez Kazi and other Munkareen-e- Shaane Muhammad

Remember when Allah took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you."

Allah;s Messengers are bearing witness on something they have not yet seen. This also confirms the Elevated status of Muhammad Peace is upon him in eyes of Allah.

Allah Ho Akbar, that is how Allah exposes the Falsehood.

One who understands and accepts the Most Elevated stature and position of Muhammad he starts living in the entire temporal realm from the first moment of its beginning.

Look with open eyes and mind the "the covenant/oath" taken by all the Chosen and Elevated Allegiants of Allah and administered by none else but Allah. People might have seen the oath taking ceremonies of their respective presidents and Ministers. One administers the oath and others take the oath. After oath, the oath takers put their witness by signing the oath document and the one who administers oath also puts his witness on it.

The oath taken is about their future conduct not past. They are undertaking that they will believe in the Messenger who will come much after in time. They accepted it meaning thereby they have since believed in him, now it is only to demonstrate their belief/acceptance in future when that Messenger comes, and it is possible only if they are living. If they are dead before his arrival, they died with the belief in that Messenger.

In time and space, the entire humanity-since the Chosen and Elevated Allegiants of Allah-represent various segments-nationalities of human race- was under an obligation to believe, at a point in time in future, in the Messenger who will first certify and affirm all that was given to all the Chosen and Elevated Allegiants of Allah representing the whole human race.

Whosoever accepted this oath he in fact believed in all the Messengers of Allah ending Muhammad knowing or without knowing names of many who were to come in the future of him.

And from the point in time Muhammad appeared for the people, the order of believing stands reversed, from present to past- Muhammad backwards to all the Messengers whether we know the names or not, exactly in the manner of past people who knew or did not know the names of Messengers who were to come in their future time.

In this way we get connected in belief to the first man who believed in Messenger of his time and all the Messengers who were to come afterwards, and thus believers live in the entire temporal realm.

Except blindness of heart there is nothing which may not let people see the Greatness and the Most Elevated stature and possition granted by Allah to His Messenger Muhammad .

Ayisha

He was for all mankind, for all worlds. and Allah tells us in following Ayat

And We have raised your remembrance

Why RAISE the remembrance of a DEAD person? of what use is IT?

huh? what verse is this?

Ayisha