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    Ayisha
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    SzuberiIf some one calls this an excellent post, then I really doubt his academic Qualification.944
    i doubt you read it and I know for certain you wouldn't understand it.

    But what impact will it put on those who get irritated when ever the name "Muhammad" is mentioned, it is same for them.

    And how many times has this come up and I have answered it? No one gets irritated when Muhammed's name is mentioned but I certainly do when you worship him as a semi-god and elevate him higher than other Messengers just the same as I do when Christians try convincing me Jesus was God in the flesh and had to get nailed to a cross, die and come back to life to fulfil a prophecy He made Himself!

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      hafeez Kazi

      2255 Translation by Mazhar
      Allah is He except Whom there is no iela'aha, He is The Living, The Ever Living; Perpetually living; not subject to death.doziness/drowsiness and sleep can never overtake Him for Him is everyone/thing who/what is in the Skies and on/in the Earth/All what is in the Skies and the Earth are for Him subservient/dependant .Who is the one competent/legally qualified who could recommend/plead before Him except by His prior permission ?He knows what is before/in their present and past and what is after/future of them and they cannot encompass anything from His knowledge except what He desires to share.His sovereignty/dominance extends beyond the Skies and the Earth. And taking care of these both two does not weary Him.And He is The Exalted Supreme, The Greatest.

      Muhammad was not witness to each and every thing, but he surely was witness and will be witness to many things, You cannot compare yourself with Muhammad peace is upon him. You are just an ordinary human being, other Prophets were Chosen one's by Allah for their specific nations but Muhammad is

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      He was for all mankind, for all worlds. and Allah tells us in following Ayat

      And We have raised your remembrance

      Why RAISE the remembrance of a DEAD person? of what use is IT?

      ok so you are using this verse, 944 to claim that Muhammed is going to be witness to all mankind even those born after his death and you are claiming this verse means what exactly?

      it could be
      a) Muhammed will 'remember' everything about all his followers even those born after his death
      b) God gave him a good memory, to remember Quran and (a) above
      c) God raised his 'reputation' to the status of messenger of Allah

      choose one raj

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        ayisha

        ok so you are using this verse, 944 to claim that Muhammed is going to be witness to all mankind even those born after his death and you are claiming this verse means what exactly?

        Rajah

        To hafeez Kazi and other Munkareen-e- Shaane Muhammad

        Remember when Allah took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you."

        Allah;s Messengers are bearing witness on something they have not yet seen. This also confirms the Elevated status of Muhammad Peace is upon him in eyes of Allah.

        Allah Ho Akbar, that is how Allah exposes the Falsehood.

        Mazhar

        One who understands and accepts the Most Elevated stature and position of Muhammad he starts living in the entire temporal realm from the first moment of its beginning.

        Look with open eyes and mind the "the covenant/oath" taken by all the Chosen and Elevated Allegiants of Allah and administered by none else but Allah. People might have seen the oath taking ceremonies of their respective presidents and Ministers. One administers the oath and others take the oath. After oath, the oath takers put their witness by signing the oath document and the one who administers oath also puts his witness on it.

        The oath taken is about their future conduct not past. They are undertaking that they will believe in the Messenger who will come much after in time. They accepted it meaning thereby they have since believed in him, now it is only to demonstrate their belief/acceptance in future when that Messenger comes, and it is possible only if they are living. If they are dead before his arrival, they died with the belief in that Messenger.

        In time and space, the entire humanity-since the Chosen and Elevated Allegiants of Allah-represent various segments-nationalities of human race- was under an obligation to believe, at a point in time in future, in the Messenger who will first certify and affirm all that was given to all the Chosen and Elevated Allegiants of Allah representing the whole human race.

        Whosoever accepted this oath he in fact believed in all the Messengers of Allah ending Muhammad knowing or without knowing names of many who were to come in the future of him.

        And from the point in time Muhammad appeared for the people, the order of believing stands reversed, from present to past- Muhammad backwards to all the Messengers whether we know the names or not, exactly in the manner of past people who knew or did not know the names of Messengers who were to come in their future time.

        In this way we get connected in belief to the first man who believed in Messenger of his time and all the Messengers who were to come afterwards, and thus believers live in the entire temporal realm.

        Except blindness of heart there is nothing which may not let people see the Greatness and the Most Elevated stature and possition granted by Allah to His Messenger Muhammad .

        Prophet is sent as a witness for all mankind, to all the worlds
        O prophet, we have sent you as a witness, a bearer of good news, as well as a warner.

        Ayisha regarding 944, it is you who can never understand the elevated status of beloved of Allah.

        When reading whole Surah, it could be concluded that Muhammad Peace is upon him is disheartened by the attitude of people who do not give him due respect and do not believe in his teachings, in response. Allah mentions his favors upon his prophet, and one of them is 944, at the time this Ayat was revealed very few believed in its truthfulness, but as the Skies and Earth saw, soon His name was the most EXALTED one, still is and will remain in the future, no matter whatever tactics the Jealous people try using to down grade him.

        And We have raised your remembrance

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          Ayisha

          And how many times has this come up and I have answered it? No one gets irritated when Muhammed's name is mentioned but I certainly do when you worship him as a semi-god and elevate him higher than other Messengers just the same as I do when Christians try convincing me Jesus was God in the flesh and had to get nailed to a cross, die and come back to life to fulfil a prophecy He made Himself!

          And how many times, we have to tell you that, Muhammad was messenger of Allah, Allah is one and only, no one is equal to him or even near to him in the powers he has, to make partners with Allah is the BIGGEST shirk.
          Issa and Muhammad are two different Messengers, and what you are debating with Christians, do not apply here, as no one is elevating Muhammad Peace is upon him to status of semi-God or worship him. This is just your inner which is guilty conscious. Try to understand.

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            well that was never an issue, it goes without saying, of course they were the ones out of all human beings 'raised to higher ranks', ALL OF THEM

            Geeeeez gimme patience )

            It looks as if you are feeling guilty to have admitted that. This has all along been the major barrier for people to cross since Satan is always close to majority of humanity whispering to them about their self praise. He wants them not to praise and raise the Messengers of Allah in their daily talks above their own selves, since he wants to make them his companions in the hell prison. Take care.

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              Now I wish people listen this carefully so that they may not be hoodwinked by Satan who keeps whispering that respecting, honouring, praising, loving the Last Messenger Muhammad is like associating partners with Allah. The fact of the matter is that only satan minded with diseased hearts get inspired by Iblees since his tactic is to keep people away from the Kalam of Allah-Grand Qur'aan.

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              You the Messenger, pronounce, "If you people love Allah, then consciously incline yourselves to follow ME, in letter and spirit, without in between there being third party intervention, Allah will love/appreciate and acknowledge act of you people and for you He will overlook/forgive your wrong-doings

              Ale Imran

              Allah's love for any human being is now conditional. And He communicated this condition to entire humanity in simple and plain words by asking Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam to announce it with personal pronoun "following ME, Muhammad" is the precondition for getting love of Allah and His forgiveness. Minus this, who think they will get through are pseudo intellectuals like Iblees.

              We follow Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam for which reason we strictly adhere to each and every word of Qur'aan.

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                And people should know that whoever loves anything more than Allah and His Messenger he is amongst the .

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                You, the Messenger pronounce, "If your fathers, and your sons, and your brothers, and your spouses and your clans;
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                and the wealth that you have acquired, and the business you people fear recession in it and the residences you are delighted with
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                are more attractive and dearer to you people than Allah and His Messenger and endeavoring/exerting utmost with wealth and bodily/physically for His cause/path
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                then wait until such time Allah proclaims His decision/command.
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                And Allah does not guide those people who are aberrant/the promise breakers and transgressors who go out of the prescribed bounds.

                At Tauba-Surat 9

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                  "following ME, Muhammad" is the precondition for getting love of Allah and His forgiveness.

                  hypno hypno hypno

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                    hypno hypno hypno

                    In academic studies half quoting which would change the perception or will convey a message different from the actual quote is worldover considered cheating and is abhorred.

                    Allah's love for any human being is now conditional. And He communicated this condition to entire humanity in simple and plain words by asking Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam to announce it with personal pronoun "following ME, Muhammad" is the precondition for getting love of Allah and His forgiveness.

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                      In academic studies half quoting which would change the perception or will convey a message different from the actual quote is worldover considered cheating and is abhorred.

                      I am familiar with the rules of academic studies. )

                      However, your statement is there for everyone to see, just a few inches above my quote, so I don't think I have been changing the meaning of your words or trying to "cheat".

                      In any case ? God's love and forgiveness is NOT conditional and based on following / loving Muhammad.

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                        In any case ? God's love and forgiveness is NOT conditional and based on following / loving Muhammad.

                        Jews and Christians and polytheists and Munafiqeen in Believer's society do not believe in Qur'aan which plainly and in straight words announces this

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                        You the Messenger, pronounce, "If you people love Allah, then consciously incline yourselves to follow ME, in letter and spirit, without in between there being third party intervention, Allah will love/appreciate and acknowledge act of you people and for you He will overlook/forgive your wrong-doings

                        Ale Imran

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                          Prophet is sent as a witness for all mankind, to all the worlds
                          as a witness to all the worlds now? mars, Venus etc?

                          O prophet, we have sent you as a witness, a bearer of good news, as well as a warner.
                          All prophets and messengers were sent as bearers of good news and as warners

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                          Have you ever read this book Raj?

                          Ayisha regarding 944, it is you who can never understand the elevated status of beloved of Allah.

                          When reading whole Surah, it could be concluded that Muhammad Peace is upon him is disheartened by the attitude of people who do not give him due respect and do not believe in his teachings, in response. Allah mentions his favors upon his prophet, and one of them is 944, at the time this Ayat was revealed very few believed in its truthfulness, but as the Skies and Earth saw, soon His name was the most EXALTED one, still is and will remain in the future, no matter whatever tactics the Jealous people try using to down grade him.
                          The MOST Exalted? hhmmm.

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                          According to those verse Allah is The Most Exalted, and you say you don't take Muhammed as partner? You have just proved you do. I suggest you read the book Raj

                          And We have raised your remembrance

                          You didnt answer the question

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                            Ayisha
                            And how many times, we have to tell you that, Muhammad was messenger of Allah, Allah is one and only, no one is equal to him or even near to him in the powers he has, to make partners with Allah is the BIGGEST shirk.

                            How many times do I have to say I KNOW MUHAMMED WAS MESSENGER OF ALLAH? And you repeating no one is equal to Allah and that is shirk while at the same time DOING it and the proof is in your previous post!!

                            Issa and Muhammad are two different Messengers, and what you are debating with Christians, do not apply here,
                            yes it does because you are doing the same without even realizing it. Allah told you of the past people and what they did as a WARNING not to do it again, yet do you listen? NO

                            as no one is elevating Muhammad Peace is upon him to status of semi-God or worship him. This is just your inner which is guilty conscious. Try to understand.

                            guilty conscience? oh please tell me what you have invented for me know that I have a guilty conscience about? ???

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                              It looks as if you are feeling guilty to have admitted that.
                              I have never denied that ALL messengers were 'raised' to a higher status than other ordinary people, of course they were, they were messengers of GOD! Why would I feel guilty?

                              This has all along been the major barrier for people to cross since Satan is always close to majority of humanity whispering to them about their self praise. He wants them not to praise and raise the Messengers of Allah in their daily talks above their own selves, since he wants to make them his companions in the hell prison. Take care.

                              self praise? have you read your posts? Satan wants you to do as Allah told you not to and he's doing a fine job whispering in your ears to raise ONE above the others.

                              I have never EVER on this forum or any other denied that ALL messengers were of a higher status than ordinary people and I have even said if Muhammed, or any other messenger where here now I would be first in line to wash their feet! I have never 'self praised' myself above ANY messenger of God so you are now lying and back tracking to get away from the FACT that you have ONE of Gods messengers on a higher pedestal than all the rest and that you praise and WORSHIP him as an IDOL above all others when there is nothing in Quran telling you to do that. ALLAH is the MOST EXALTED above ANY of His creation yet satan whispers that you need a human IDOL to direct THROUGH just as satan did with followers of Jesus. You even play with God's words to lead people on the wrong path just as hadithist do and just as ibn Kathir et al did. Quran is for ALL to read and THINK using their brains and senses and to piece together themselves. The TEST is how you SEE and what you DO with that information.

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                                This has all along been the major barrier for people to cross since Satan is always close to majority of humanity whispering to them about their self praise. He wants them not to praise and raise the Messengers of Allah in their daily talks above their own selves, since he wants to make them his companions in the hell prison. Take care.

                                self praise? have you read your posts? Satan wants you to do as Allah told you not to and he's doing a fine job whispering in your ears to raise ONE above the others.

                                I had perhaps quoted Ayat of Quran where information about my above quote is contained. Do you on second read see any relevance what you have said in reply to quote. The point is only of difference between the Messengers of Allah and ordinary people who do not recognize or can convince themselves to consider them as elevated.

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                                  The point is only of difference between the Messengers of Allah and ordinary people who do not recognize or can convince themselves to consider them as elevated.

                                  No it is not Mazhar. It is about raising one above the others, ordinary people have absolutely nothing to do with this

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                                    No it is not Mazhar. It is about raising one above the others, ordinary people have absolutely nothing to do with this

                                    17 pages back when only one is discussed your response was this

                                    his position is of higher rank to most men i agree, see my post above, dont elevate him to a higher position as GOD.
                                    .

                                    Therefore I combined all the Messengers. And you eventually agreed they are elevated above all people. If I again mention him in seclusion, you may or may not accept him great than all ordinary people. I say Easa alahissalam, son of Syeda Maryam and Messenger of Allah is above all ordinary people of past, present and future.

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                                      Jews and Christians and polytheists and Munafiqeen in Believer's society do not believe in Qur'aan which plainly and in straight words announces this

                                      You the Messenger, pronounce, "If you people love Allah, then consciously incline yourselves to follow ME, in letter and spirit, without in between there being third party intervention, Allah will love/appreciate and acknowledge act of you people and for you He will overlook/forgive your wrong-doings

                                      They don't have to believe in the Qur'an. Or, for that matter, in Muhammad.

                                      Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
                                      (262)

                                      There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
                                      (2256)

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                                        They don't have to believe in the Qur'an. Or, for that matter, in Muhammad.

                                        Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
                                        (262)

                                        There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
                                        (2256)

                                        Ayisha had perhaps quoted it more than once. I requested her to see Arabic text. Information about the past times has been converted into present tense by substituting it with imperfect verb. And friends of Jews get a wrong perception.

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                                        Indeed any one; from amongst the people identified/recognized/referenced as believers , and any one from those identified as Jews, and Nisaa'ra and Sai'been;
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                                        who had accepted belief in Allah and the Last Day; and he performed righteous acts
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                                        for this reason/in consequence for such people shall be their reward from their Sustainer Lord;

                                        Surat 262

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                                          They don't have to believe in the Qur'an. Or, for that matter, in Muhammad.

                                          Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
                                          (262)

                                          There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
                                          (2256)

                                          And what an interesting argument. The proposition is "They don't have to believe in the Qur'an. Or, for that matter, in Muhammad" and the support argument is from that which was revealed to Muhammad

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