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    Mazhar
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    hypno hypno hypno

    In academic studies half quoting which would change the perception or will convey a message different from the actual quote is worldover considered cheating and is abhorred.

    Allah's love for any human being is now conditional. And He communicated this condition to entire humanity in simple and plain words by asking Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam to announce it with personal pronoun "following ME, Muhammad" is the precondition for getting love of Allah and His forgiveness.

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      In academic studies half quoting which would change the perception or will convey a message different from the actual quote is worldover considered cheating and is abhorred.

      I am familiar with the rules of academic studies. )

      However, your statement is there for everyone to see, just a few inches above my quote, so I don't think I have been changing the meaning of your words or trying to "cheat".

      In any case ? God's love and forgiveness is NOT conditional and based on following / loving Muhammad.

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        Mazhar
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        In any case ? God's love and forgiveness is NOT conditional and based on following / loving Muhammad.

        Jews and Christians and polytheists and Munafiqeen in Believer's society do not believe in Qur'aan which plainly and in straight words announces this

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        You the Messenger, pronounce, "If you people love Allah, then consciously incline yourselves to follow ME, in letter and spirit, without in between there being third party intervention, Allah will love/appreciate and acknowledge act of you people and for you He will overlook/forgive your wrong-doings

        Ale Imran

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          Ayisha
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          Prophet is sent as a witness for all mankind, to all the worlds
          as a witness to all the worlds now? mars, Venus etc?

          O prophet, we have sent you as a witness, a bearer of good news, as well as a warner.
          All prophets and messengers were sent as bearers of good news and as warners

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          Have you ever read this book Raj?

          Ayisha regarding 944, it is you who can never understand the elevated status of beloved of Allah.

          When reading whole Surah, it could be concluded that Muhammad Peace is upon him is disheartened by the attitude of people who do not give him due respect and do not believe in his teachings, in response. Allah mentions his favors upon his prophet, and one of them is 944, at the time this Ayat was revealed very few believed in its truthfulness, but as the Skies and Earth saw, soon His name was the most EXALTED one, still is and will remain in the future, no matter whatever tactics the Jealous people try using to down grade him.
          The MOST Exalted? hhmmm.

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          According to those verse Allah is The Most Exalted, and you say you don't take Muhammed as partner? You have just proved you do. I suggest you read the book Raj

          And We have raised your remembrance

          You didnt answer the question

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            Ayisha
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            Ayisha
            And how many times, we have to tell you that, Muhammad was messenger of Allah, Allah is one and only, no one is equal to him or even near to him in the powers he has, to make partners with Allah is the BIGGEST shirk.

            How many times do I have to say I KNOW MUHAMMED WAS MESSENGER OF ALLAH? And you repeating no one is equal to Allah and that is shirk while at the same time DOING it and the proof is in your previous post!!

            Issa and Muhammad are two different Messengers, and what you are debating with Christians, do not apply here,
            yes it does because you are doing the same without even realizing it. Allah told you of the past people and what they did as a WARNING not to do it again, yet do you listen? NO

            as no one is elevating Muhammad Peace is upon him to status of semi-God or worship him. This is just your inner which is guilty conscious. Try to understand.

            guilty conscience? oh please tell me what you have invented for me know that I have a guilty conscience about? ???

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              Ayisha
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              It looks as if you are feeling guilty to have admitted that.
              I have never denied that ALL messengers were 'raised' to a higher status than other ordinary people, of course they were, they were messengers of GOD! Why would I feel guilty?

              This has all along been the major barrier for people to cross since Satan is always close to majority of humanity whispering to them about their self praise. He wants them not to praise and raise the Messengers of Allah in their daily talks above their own selves, since he wants to make them his companions in the hell prison. Take care.

              self praise? have you read your posts? Satan wants you to do as Allah told you not to and he's doing a fine job whispering in your ears to raise ONE above the others.

              I have never EVER on this forum or any other denied that ALL messengers were of a higher status than ordinary people and I have even said if Muhammed, or any other messenger where here now I would be first in line to wash their feet! I have never 'self praised' myself above ANY messenger of God so you are now lying and back tracking to get away from the FACT that you have ONE of Gods messengers on a higher pedestal than all the rest and that you praise and WORSHIP him as an IDOL above all others when there is nothing in Quran telling you to do that. ALLAH is the MOST EXALTED above ANY of His creation yet satan whispers that you need a human IDOL to direct THROUGH just as satan did with followers of Jesus. You even play with God's words to lead people on the wrong path just as hadithist do and just as ibn Kathir et al did. Quran is for ALL to read and THINK using their brains and senses and to piece together themselves. The TEST is how you SEE and what you DO with that information.

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                Mazhar
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                This has all along been the major barrier for people to cross since Satan is always close to majority of humanity whispering to them about their self praise. He wants them not to praise and raise the Messengers of Allah in their daily talks above their own selves, since he wants to make them his companions in the hell prison. Take care.

                self praise? have you read your posts? Satan wants you to do as Allah told you not to and he's doing a fine job whispering in your ears to raise ONE above the others.

                I had perhaps quoted Ayat of Quran where information about my above quote is contained. Do you on second read see any relevance what you have said in reply to quote. The point is only of difference between the Messengers of Allah and ordinary people who do not recognize or can convince themselves to consider them as elevated.

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                  The point is only of difference between the Messengers of Allah and ordinary people who do not recognize or can convince themselves to consider them as elevated.

                  No it is not Mazhar. It is about raising one above the others, ordinary people have absolutely nothing to do with this

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                    Mazhar
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                    No it is not Mazhar. It is about raising one above the others, ordinary people have absolutely nothing to do with this

                    17 pages back when only one is discussed your response was this

                    his position is of higher rank to most men i agree, see my post above, dont elevate him to a higher position as GOD.
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                    Therefore I combined all the Messengers. And you eventually agreed they are elevated above all people. If I again mention him in seclusion, you may or may not accept him great than all ordinary people. I say Easa alahissalam, son of Syeda Maryam and Messenger of Allah is above all ordinary people of past, present and future.

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                      Leyna
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                      Jews and Christians and polytheists and Munafiqeen in Believer's society do not believe in Qur'aan which plainly and in straight words announces this

                      You the Messenger, pronounce, "If you people love Allah, then consciously incline yourselves to follow ME, in letter and spirit, without in between there being third party intervention, Allah will love/appreciate and acknowledge act of you people and for you He will overlook/forgive your wrong-doings

                      They don't have to believe in the Qur'an. Or, for that matter, in Muhammad.

                      Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
                      (262)

                      There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
                      (2256)

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                        Mazhar
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                        They don't have to believe in the Qur'an. Or, for that matter, in Muhammad.

                        Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
                        (262)

                        There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
                        (2256)

                        Ayisha had perhaps quoted it more than once. I requested her to see Arabic text. Information about the past times has been converted into present tense by substituting it with imperfect verb. And friends of Jews get a wrong perception.

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                        Indeed any one; from amongst the people identified/recognized/referenced as believers , and any one from those identified as Jews, and Nisaa'ra and Sai'been;
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                        who had accepted belief in Allah and the Last Day; and he performed righteous acts
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                        for this reason/in consequence for such people shall be their reward from their Sustainer Lord;

                        Surat 262

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                          Mazhar
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                          They don't have to believe in the Qur'an. Or, for that matter, in Muhammad.

                          Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
                          (262)

                          There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
                          (2256)

                          And what an interesting argument. The proposition is "They don't have to believe in the Qur'an. Or, for that matter, in Muhammad" and the support argument is from that which was revealed to Muhammad

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                            Leyna
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                            The proposition is "They don't have to believe in the Qur'an. Or, for that matter, in Muhammad" and the support argument is from that which was revealed to Muhammad

                            What's the problem with that? The fact that you or me believe in what has been revealed to Muhammad, for example in the verses I quoted, does not mean others have to believe in the same thing in order to be "accepted" or "loved" by God.

                            Tbh, I don't really understand why you and some others bother so much. Why is it that important to you to feel that you are among the chosen people and that other ways to God are not valid?

                            God communicates with people in many ways, not only through particular scriptures or in a particular language. We are all different; why insist that only your approach is the right one? I seriously don't get it.

                            nope

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                              Ayisha had perhaps quoted it more than once. I requested her to see Arabic text. Information about the past times has been converted into present tense by substituting it with imperfect verb. And friends of Jews get a wrong perception.

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                              Indeed any one; from amongst the people identified/recognized/referenced as believers , and any one from those identified as Jews, and Nisaa'ra and Sai'been;
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                              who had accepted belief in Allah and the Last Day; and he performed righteous acts
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                              for this reason/in consequence for such people shall be their reward from their Sustainer Lord;

                              Surat 262

                              This is a picture of yours that i never envisaged,,,,, infatuation with prophet Mohammad to such a degree that you are not scared to even change the word of Allah while making deliberate attempts to misguide people?

                              If your above statement turns out to be wrong , then shame on you , and may Allah's curse be upon you.

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                                This is a picture of yours that i never envisaged,,,,, infatuation with prophet Mohammad to such a degree that you are not scared to even change the word of Allah while making deliberate attempts to misguide people?

                                If your above statement turns out to be wrong , then shame on you , and may Allah's curse be upon you.

                                You have wrongly put the translation of the Ayat in my quote. It is this

                                Ayisha had perhaps quoted it more than once. I requested her to see Arabic text. Information about the past times has been converted into present tense by substituting it with imperfect verb. And friends of Jews get a wrong perception.

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                                Indeed any one; from amongst the people identified/recognized/referenced as believers , and any one from those identified as Jews, and Nisaa'ra and Sai'been;
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                                who had accepted belief in Allah and the Last Day; and he performed righteous acts
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                                for this reason/in consequence for such people shall be their reward from their Sustainer Lord;

                                Surat 262

                                Now see the words and try to locate all the verbs therein and check some dictionary whether they all narrate the happening of gone past or present day people and then try to translate yourself and prove it incorrect; and if you can't then please redirect your curse to others who substituted the words of Qur'aan in the translation. Arabic text should always remain in our front.

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                                  You have wrongly put the translation of the Ayat in my quote. It is this
                                  Now see the words and try to locate all the verbs therein and check some dictionary whether they all narrate the happening of gone past or present day people and then try to translate yourself and prove it incorrect; and if you can't then please redirect your curse to others who substituted the words of Qur'aan in the translation. Arabic text should always remain in our front.

                                  had, have, will, it makes no difference as the main importance of that verse is accepted belief in Allah and the Last Day; and he performed righteous acts. There are many Christians and Jews who abide by the above without having accepted the final messenger and there are many who abide by that without ever knowing of any messengers or books.

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                                    siki
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                                    edited, will repost

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                                      17 pages back when only one is discussed your response was this

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                                      his position is of higher rank to most men i agree, see my post above, dont elevate him to a higher position as GOD.

                                      Therefore I combined all the Messengers. And you eventually agreed they are elevated above all people. If I again mention him in seclusion, you may or may not accept him great than all ordinary people. I say Easa alahissalam, son of Syeda Maryam and Messenger of Allah is above all ordinary people of past, present and future.

                                      eventually agreed? Mazhar, you just posted that I SAID THAT 17 pages ago, so how can I 'eventually agree' now? As I keep saying that was NOT the issue and has not been for the last 17 pages, are you reading the same conversation that i am having or something else?

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                                        you can take the words of God and use it to support any belief that you hold - using for your convenience, purpose or to justify your ways. so, a hard core sunni will use the words of God to justify and support his belief, just as a shia. if you believe that a woman should obey her husband and wear hijab, you will find the ayats in the koran supporting that view. if you believe that you should not make friends with non-muslims, you will find verses in the koran to support that. if you believe that only those who follow the koran and hadiths go to heavan, you will find verses in the koran to support that.

                                        how many actually discard all the bias, influences, culture, etc sit down with the koran with a clear mind/heart seeking refuge in God from satan and read the Koran with all sincerity to understand, seek knowledge, wisdom? i wonder.

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                                          you can take the words of God and use it to support any belief that you hold - using for your convenience, purpose or to justify your ways. so, a hard core sunni will use the words of God to justify and support his belief, just as a shia. if you believe that a woman should obey her husband and wear hijab, you will find the ayats in the koran supporting that view. if you believe that you should not make friends with non-muslims, you will find verses in the koran to support that. if you believe that only those who follow the koran and hadiths go to heavan, you will find verses in the koran to support that.

                                          Your observations above are the truth about what happened to God?s teachings about all Truth. When the Arabs chose the riches of Baghdad and the world, instead of upholding the Truth for the Gospels and the Taurat, they created their own religion islam through wars, conquests and suppression. The environments we have in our world today are proofs that the Arabs did not follow God?s commandments of upholding the Truth.

                                          how many actually discard all the bias, influences, culture, etc sit down with the koran with a clear mind/heart seeking refuge in God from satan and read the Koran with all sincerity to understand, seek knowledge, wisdom? i wonder.

                                          This is the Straight Path, justamuslim. Read and understand the Book of Truth in your own language and God will explain into your heart the truth about all Truth. Be a witness instead of just a muslim ;D.

                                          tauhid101.

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