God did not create the universe, says Hawking
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"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.
That parapgraph makes no sense to me, even self-contradicting "Because there is a law such as gravity" ...... "the universe can and will create itself from nothing" - BUT "NOTHING" MEANS "THERE IS NOT".
Emptiness can't create anything.
If there were ever a time when there was nothing,
There would still be nothing.
"Nothing" cannot produce "something".
(quote from http//www.jovialatheist.com/thomslaw.html)Peace.
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what's funny is the angsty atheist teens or hardcore atheist teen eat this up like its a chocoloate cake
Adults too, because its 'physics' its 'mathematical facts' but they dont go as far as to think who made those mathematical facts in the first place and just think 'it is' without thinking who is was that said 'Be' for it to be as 'it is'.
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Reminds a bit of godless communists who state there is no god because we went to the moon and didn't see anything up there. Well you haven't looked far or deep enough into the universe and it's creation!
Peace
Peace,
Respect.Exactly!
This is why I'm trying to run away from communists and communism as far as humanly possible.
And as fast too.Boy, are these guys gonna be surprised at one point .....
God bless.
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what's funny is the angsty atheist teens or hardcore atheist teen eat this up like its a chocoloate cake
I got sent this link by my angsty atheist teen friend with just a "More proof that your God doesn't exist!" in the subject box.
That parapgraph makes no sense to me, even self-contradicting "Because there is a law such as gravity" ...... "the universe can and will create itself from nothing" - BUT "NOTHING" MEANS "THERE IS NOT".
Emptiness can't create anything.
If there were ever a time when there was nothing,
There would still be nothing.
"Nothing" cannot produce "something".
(quote from http//www.jovialatheist.com/thomslaw.html)Peace.
This is pretty much what I told him. I have yet to receive a response. ;D
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I got sent this link by my angsty atheist teen friend with just a "More proof that your God doesn't exist!" in the subject box. )
May God guide her/him. AFAIK, God would guide those who sincerely search the truth rather than ego/arrogant defenders of some idea. bravo
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That parapgraph makes no sense to me, even self-contradicting "Because there is a law such as gravity" ...... "the universe can and will create itself from nothing" - BUT "NOTHING" MEANS "THERE IS NOT".
Emptiness can't create anything.
If there were ever a time when there was nothing,
There would still be nothing.
"Nothing" cannot produce "something".
(quote from http//www.jovialatheist.com/thomslaw.html)Peace.
Actually the quran suggests the opposite to what he says.
(5235) Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators ?
Including quran 1124 which describes allah as no thing equivalent, whereas matter has equivalents.
Semantics is at play here... he seems to confuse the idea that just because the universe seems to gain something out of nothing... it's by the universe's or matter's will. This sort of thinking has been questioned against in research regarding free will and neurology
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6S9OidmNZM
http//www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/04/is-free-will-an/
http//againstscience.com/2008/12/31/%E2%80%9Cthe-illusion-of-freewill%E2%80%9D-science-agreeing-with-religion-atlast/
Also to suggest that something finite could attain from something infinite or nothing ( nothing = infinite here http//everythingforever.com/st_math.htm ), it would require for example. The number 1, would need another number say 1, and no matter how many numbers thanks to Fibonacci sequence, you would never be able to get to infinity. And technically never to nothing. Where as for infinity = zero... getting numbers from the set is so easy.... I'm rambling here.
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it would seem different people have a different idea what 'God' is...
it's what makes it difficult for some people to understand that God has already been discovered by science...http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTdnFoybLQU
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrcWntw9juM
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSxluvq5HI0&feature=relatedhttp//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuuKBInwQRU
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ31qkK4NoE&feature=related
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxRJBEUNbTI&feature=related
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE9AbrvOg7Y&feature=related
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This is such a shame. Stephen Hawking has one of the most brilliant minds around, but he fails to answer, or even understand the most fundamental question- If the universe was created from the, so called, "Big Bang" (was not big, nor was it a bang) that was caused by a small, excessively dense, ball of pure energy, then where did that ball of energy come from? One of the most basic rules of physics is that energy can not be created nor destroyed, it can only be changed. Therefore, that ball of energy (that contained all the energy now distributed throughout the universe) HAD to come from somewhere! Maybe God put it there!
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hawkings
the universe can and will create itself from nothing.
Has hawkings reading Quran recently? He is very near to find the truth, when he finds out how law of Pysics came into being.
Creator of the heavens and the earth from nothingness, He has only to say when He wills a thing, ?Be,? and it is.
2-117The Arabic word ?beda?a? means creation of something out of nothing. This word also connotes the fact that something is created not on a pattern previously designed of something but as a completely new entity having no precedence.
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First, I want to ask each one of you who disagrees with Hawking, did you read his full argument and understand what he based his opinion upon? Did you study his theory and the laws of physics which he used to arrive to his conclusion as much as he studied religion and the possibility of God? I assure you, he did study it and consider it over many years. I am very positive each person will answer "No".
Just because we don't understand something now, doesn't mean the explanation is supernatural. People 2000 years ago wondered where the earth ends, we now know the answer to that; it has no ends. There is a perfectly reasonable explanation to that; it is spherical (almost). We gained more knowledge and we became able to explain something which seemed just as puzzling then as the question of "How did the universe start?" is now. We might be able to answer this question later, we might not. A divine entity starting the universe is possible, but there is no proof. It is the most widespread theory because most - or all - people don't have enough knowledge to come up with other possible explanations.
I've seen people asking "Who created gravity?" and other questions which expose a general lack of knowledge. The problem I found was the way they asked the question, not the fact they asked it. They actually believe they're much smarter than Hawking. If you believe in Quran, then try to follow what it says. Study the universe and try to understand it.
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there will always be people who study yet will come to different conclusions and they will discredit studies other then their own...
there are scientists who confirm there is a higher intelligence (God) that created the universe, other scientists say there is not... who should we believe huh... -
This is such a shame. Stephen Hawking has one of the most brilliant minds around, but he fails to answer, or even understand the most fundamental question- If the universe was created from the, so called, "Big Bang" (was not big, nor was it a bang) that was caused by a small, excessively dense, ball of pure energy, then where did that ball of energy come from? One of the most basic rules of physics is that energy can not be created nor destroyed, it can only be changed. Therefore, that ball of energy (that contained all the energy now distributed throughout the universe) HAD to come from somewhere! Maybe God put it there!
Peace,
Respect.Just ask him if he can send you any evidence for the non-existance of God.
I heard that UPS works fast, ......lolPeace.