God did not create the universe, says Hawking
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That parapgraph makes no sense to me, even self-contradicting "Because there is a law such as gravity" ...... "the universe can and will create itself from nothing" - BUT "NOTHING" MEANS "THERE IS NOT".
Emptiness can't create anything.
If there were ever a time when there was nothing,
There would still be nothing.
"Nothing" cannot produce "something".
(quote from http//www.jovialatheist.com/thomslaw.html)Peace.
Actually the quran suggests the opposite to what he says.
(5235) Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators ?
Including quran 1124 which describes allah as no thing equivalent, whereas matter has equivalents.
Semantics is at play here... he seems to confuse the idea that just because the universe seems to gain something out of nothing... it's by the universe's or matter's will. This sort of thinking has been questioned against in research regarding free will and neurology
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6S9OidmNZM
http//www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/04/is-free-will-an/
http//againstscience.com/2008/12/31/%E2%80%9Cthe-illusion-of-freewill%E2%80%9D-science-agreeing-with-religion-atlast/
Also to suggest that something finite could attain from something infinite or nothing ( nothing = infinite here http//everythingforever.com/st_math.htm ), it would require for example. The number 1, would need another number say 1, and no matter how many numbers thanks to Fibonacci sequence, you would never be able to get to infinity. And technically never to nothing. Where as for infinity = zero... getting numbers from the set is so easy.... I'm rambling here.
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it would seem different people have a different idea what 'God' is...
it's what makes it difficult for some people to understand that God has already been discovered by science...http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTdnFoybLQU
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrcWntw9juM
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSxluvq5HI0&feature=relatedhttp//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuuKBInwQRU
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ31qkK4NoE&feature=related
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxRJBEUNbTI&feature=related
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE9AbrvOg7Y&feature=related
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This is such a shame. Stephen Hawking has one of the most brilliant minds around, but he fails to answer, or even understand the most fundamental question- If the universe was created from the, so called, "Big Bang" (was not big, nor was it a bang) that was caused by a small, excessively dense, ball of pure energy, then where did that ball of energy come from? One of the most basic rules of physics is that energy can not be created nor destroyed, it can only be changed. Therefore, that ball of energy (that contained all the energy now distributed throughout the universe) HAD to come from somewhere! Maybe God put it there!
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hawkings
the universe can and will create itself from nothing.
Has hawkings reading Quran recently? He is very near to find the truth, when he finds out how law of Pysics came into being.
Creator of the heavens and the earth from nothingness, He has only to say when He wills a thing, ?Be,? and it is.
2-117The Arabic word ?beda?a? means creation of something out of nothing. This word also connotes the fact that something is created not on a pattern previously designed of something but as a completely new entity having no precedence.
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First, I want to ask each one of you who disagrees with Hawking, did you read his full argument and understand what he based his opinion upon? Did you study his theory and the laws of physics which he used to arrive to his conclusion as much as he studied religion and the possibility of God? I assure you, he did study it and consider it over many years. I am very positive each person will answer "No".
Just because we don't understand something now, doesn't mean the explanation is supernatural. People 2000 years ago wondered where the earth ends, we now know the answer to that; it has no ends. There is a perfectly reasonable explanation to that; it is spherical (almost). We gained more knowledge and we became able to explain something which seemed just as puzzling then as the question of "How did the universe start?" is now. We might be able to answer this question later, we might not. A divine entity starting the universe is possible, but there is no proof. It is the most widespread theory because most - or all - people don't have enough knowledge to come up with other possible explanations.
I've seen people asking "Who created gravity?" and other questions which expose a general lack of knowledge. The problem I found was the way they asked the question, not the fact they asked it. They actually believe they're much smarter than Hawking. If you believe in Quran, then try to follow what it says. Study the universe and try to understand it.
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there will always be people who study yet will come to different conclusions and they will discredit studies other then their own...
there are scientists who confirm there is a higher intelligence (God) that created the universe, other scientists say there is not... who should we believe huh... -
This is such a shame. Stephen Hawking has one of the most brilliant minds around, but he fails to answer, or even understand the most fundamental question- If the universe was created from the, so called, "Big Bang" (was not big, nor was it a bang) that was caused by a small, excessively dense, ball of pure energy, then where did that ball of energy come from? One of the most basic rules of physics is that energy can not be created nor destroyed, it can only be changed. Therefore, that ball of energy (that contained all the energy now distributed throughout the universe) HAD to come from somewhere! Maybe God put it there!
Peace,
Respect.Just ask him if he can send you any evidence for the non-existance of God.
I heard that UPS works fast, ......lolPeace.
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Peace Saleh,
You asked/stated
did you read his full argument and understand what he based his opinion upon? Did you study his theory and the laws of physics which he used to arrive to his conclusion as much as he studied religion and the possibility of God? I assure you, he did study it and consider it over many years. I am very positive each person will answer "No".
Unfortunately, the amount of time spent studying does not equate to a grasp of the topic. Some people practice DJ'ing for years and still can't match a beat. Millions spend their lives studying their own religions yet fail to see the guidance within. Hawking has demonstrated, with one sentence, that he too is victim to this apparent paradox - that's accepting that he has studied as much spirituality and religion as you claim.
It's evident to me that he's brilliant - in physics, that is. But in understanding God, or accepting or rejecting God, he should probably step aside or just leave the topic out of the equation
Peace,
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I don't see any joke in teasing a handicap person?
I'm not teasing him directly. But I find it offensive for a guy of his caliber to deny the existence of a creator because he's in a position where people will listen to him and for him to claim what he is claiming is outlandish.
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First, I want to ask each one of you who disagrees with Hawking, did you read his full argument and understand what he based his opinion upon? Did you study his theory and the laws of physics which he used to arrive to his conclusion as much as he studied religion and the possibility of God? I assure you, he did study it and consider it over many years. I am very positive each person will answer "No".
Just because we don't understand something now, doesn't mean the explanation is supernatural. People 2000 years ago wondered where the earth ends, we now know the answer to that; it has no ends. There is a perfectly reasonable explanation to that; it is spherical (almost). We gained more knowledge and we became able to explain something which seemed just as puzzling then as the question of "How did the universe start?" is now. We might be able to answer this question later, we might not. A divine entity starting the universe is possible, but there is no proof. It is the most widespread theory because most - or all - people don't have enough knowledge to come up with other possible explanations.
I've seen people asking "Who created gravity?" and other questions which expose a general lack of knowledge. The problem I found was the way they asked the question, not the fact they asked it. They actually believe they're much smarter than Hawking. If you believe in Quran, then try to follow what it says. Study the universe and try to understand it.
Well doesnt gravity have to follow a specific law ? and if Hawking is saying "Because there is a law such as gravity" ...... "the universe can and will create itself from nothing" - , then why shouldnt people ask
"Who created gravity?" and also who created the law on which gravity has to follow?Do you think laws are created by accident or are done on purpose?
If you agree that laws whether natural or supernatural are created on purpose and not own their own by accident, then for the law of gravity to actually work, who or what was it who made it so it would work?
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People have to keep in mind the anthropic principle, which states that "if it were any other way, we would not be here to observe it".
As a result of this the existence of God depends entirely on what coloured glasses you see the universe through.
Through a disbeliever's eyes, he is absolutely nowhere to be seen! You could traverse the ends of the universe searching and find no hint of this "God" character. On the other hand, a believer will see the workings of God everywhere without having to move an inch.
I bet Mr Hawking could make an equally strong case for belief; God is the ultimate stealth ninja.