You think deleting 2 verses is bad enough...
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When I first bought a copy of Edips "Quran a Reformist Translation", I was initially enthusiastic. Lots of his arguments make good sense, and his criticism of both mainstream Sunni Islam and western consumerism is both balanced and justified.
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I respect Edip and his defend of truth but I am not in any form of reform. I accept Quran as is purified and has been protected digitally .Quran is revealed for all generation up to end of this world. The messages belong to TIME and LOCATION which I have explained it.However, as I read more and compared translations, it became clear to me that it remains the case that some passages are beyond reform, especially Chapter 9, and many of the passages he as tried to rehabilitate are still bad even when you accept his translation.
Time and Location.
Especially that passage where he corrected the translation from "beat her" to "leave her". Okay, it is no longer domestic violence. But what is left is advice on how to deal with a "rebellious wife" by consecutively criticising her, withholding sex and then leaving her. That would make a person "passive aggressive". It is still bad relationship advice.
When Quran revealed they were burring the girls and the had no right for anything. And may easliy could be killed by husband for not obeying him for his desire. The man stand at his position an corrupted belief by mixing his tradition in other book Hadith and yet after 1400 years in remote villages same rule is going on. Personally myself have grew in shia territory which women is beaten up by corrupted men that portend to be be believers by obeying their corrupted imams fetwas. I have seen the man calling himself man beating his women for simple thing like not enough salt in food.
If aman can be clean as a prefect believer to be elevated to level of Jesus with holy soul then such command is applicable. But no man can reach such level and verse automatically is nulled by itself.
Same thing for
If you deem it best for the orphans, you may marry their mothers - you may marry two, three, or four. If you fear lest you become unfair, then you shall be content with only one, or with what you already have. Additionally, you are thus more likely to avoid financial hardship.
They have had and have Heram with more than four for sexual desires but all Mohammedans are abusing this verse not for Orphans but for their own desire.
There are many verses that have conditions which automatically nulls it Those are things was happening before Quran and God put conditions to do it in right way. They take the easy part and ignore the hard one and of course corrupted Ayat Allah, Shaikh ,Pope,.......help such corruption with their own fabricated lies as God's ruleAnd the fact is, where the meaning of a text is not obvious, it is not the fault of the reader, it is the fault of the text. You shouldn't have to study so hard and pray so hard to get the meaning if it was really all from God
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First at all i have stated that messages come to guide lost into right path. Final expectation of God is very clear in 262 But meaning of text changes with aging and specially if they fabricate another book on the side like Hadith they force it to change meaning of word to match their ancestors LIES.
For example Yusouf Ali as a Mohammedan ac voids to use clear word of Trained DOG and uses Trained animal due to fabrication of dirtiness of God and Kafirs ( Christians). The female teaching Islamic Halal Food in Yahoo club banned me when i put that verse that dog is bringing hunt to you is lawful. I told her that dog is bringing hunt in mouth and how you cook such hunt. laugh
30 years ago when i immigrated to Canada there was no word like COOL to express a good or fair thing now is common and would be added to dic.
we are at information and tech age and the language is changing and now considering 1400 years many of those verse have lost their real meaning even by best translators. What God expect is in 262. I am not here to defend or reject any message . I am here just show existence of a superhuman authored such book. I try to understand the book with present information not past not future. You may look at my site and see few on my understanding.So I think the only bits that are really from God are the ones which have either a straight forward positive meaning, or else a very deep symbolic meaning. Not the ones which have a confused symbolic meaning or a simple and bad meaning.
I agree with you like for example my search for finding if God is talking about Sitchin has not been completed.
Sitchin book is full of data and then he refers to OT and NT but never using Quran with so many prophesized science.
Is that the Numerically structured book by wicked. ?
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i dont get it
Dear sister just observation and break time. i see the 97th post my name BHMN GV and your time ending with 19 seconds ! How ever. I am showing a lottery machine ( Gambling) that makes their friend and family millionaire and one awhile let some body won it for advertisement What Aid Abdllah does here is taking fixed and rigid numbers ans use lottery ticket machine which shows probabilities and then manipulate the book with his own hallucination to tarnish God's Miracle. let me give a simple example . your id is 1988news write that in Arabic would be 1988 =50 =10 =6 =7Now write your name in digits ( abjad) would be 1988501067.
At this example I find that your name is multiple of 7. This locks your name to code 7
Say for example we add n7 or deduct n7 from this figure still is multiple of 7 but is not more your name say add 7 then we will have
1988501074 multiple of 7 too but
1988 nezd
Deduct 7
1988501060 is multiple of 7 too but
1988
Any change would not be same as original and this way your name is protected by interlocking into code 7.1,988,501,067 can have 13x12x11x10x9x8x7x6x5x4x3x2x1=?????
combinations that would have so many cases multiple of 7 but none of those fits your name when relocating numbers to fins another multiple.What Ayman and Aid are doing here is these random numbers that do not fit Quran and they are creating another none sense digital pattern or maximum changing a letter at either end as I have explained it in its post.
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That's pretty funny, why are they so attached to the bible adaptation of Shakespeare's generation?
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I don't think that this is a muslim site at all.
It may be some hateful Christians or Atheists, just to make it their way. If you look at it deeply.. it seems that they have just copy and pasted from an English translator and then removed the "bad" verses which they think are to violent. They probably haven't studied the true meaning of the Quran at all.
Just ignore the site... these guys are idiots.
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Look deep enough into the quran, i am sure you will find The Creator saying that I will preseve the quran, however not just yet, but after 1300 years or so, and after that I will not let it get coruppted, however till then let them enjoy the corrupted version, then I will inspire them that the hadith and sunna are satanic inspirations expect one of those satanic inspirations will point out that two verses were added to the quran, as satan once in a while tells the truth to help the believers, so that particular hadith you can take if it helps you, but don't make a habbit of it.
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Look deep enough into the quran, i am sure you will find The Creator saying that I will preseve the quran, however not just yet, but after 1300 years or so, and after that I will not let it get coruppted, however till then let them enjoy the corrupted version, then I will inspire them that the hadith and sunna are satanic inspirations expect one of those satanic inspirations will point out that two verses were added to the quran, as satan once in a while tells the truth to help the believers, so that particular hadith you can take if it helps you, but don't make a habbit of it.
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peace my dear bros and sisters, group
no offense meant for any particular individual, but i am feeling sorry for those living the last 1300 years thinking The Creator was truthful while they were being lied to and their book was corrupted, turn on the detector again its your lucky day. peace -
peace my dear bros and sisters, group
no offense meant for any particular individual, but i am feeling sorry for those living the last 1300 years thinking The Creator was truthful while they were being lied to and their book was corrupted, turn on the detector again its your lucky day. peaceWho lives for 1300 years? ???
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peace my dear bros and sisters, group
no offense meant for any particular individual, but i am feeling sorry for those living the last 1300 years thinking The Creator was truthful while they were being lied to and their book was corrupted, turn on the detector again its your lucky day. peaceSomehow I find it difficult to believe that the creator can maintain obscenely perfect precision over 3x1080 cubic metres of space from the microscopic to the galactic for 14 billion years but then fails to keep a mere 6000 lines of text intact for a millenium. Rather than turning on the detector, may I suggest switching on your brain?
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Peace OPF, may i suggest that you turn on the detector and realise that all my remarks were sarcastic implying exactly what you stated in your post minus the theoritical numbers. I agree with you completly on what you stated. peace and love my bro/sis
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I should have known from the first post
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Somehow I find it difficult to believe that the creator can maintain obscenely perfect precision over 3x1080 cubic metres of space from the microscopic to the galactic for 14 billion years but then fails to keep a mere 6000 lines of text intact for a millenium. Rather than turning on the detector, may I suggest switching on your brain?
But no matter what happens in those 3*10 to the 80 cubic meters (surely an under estimate?) of space, no matter what changes, it in no way detracts from the power of God. Everything inside the universe is constantly changing, and that is a sign of God's greatness and creativity. Surely, if the same is true of the Quran, and it is also changing, that is even more a sign of God's omnipotence?
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The estimate is merely the volume of the observable universe, due to the expansion we cannot actually compute the volume of the universe (if there is even such a thing).
As for the changing quran - no it is not a sign of God's omnipotence. While everything is in flux, it obeys a single unchanging law. There is no reason why the quran needs to change if the writer is the creator of all - a human can write a maths book which was valid 10 billion years ago and will be in any future, how then can you say the creator is subject to limitation?
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The idea of an unchanging Quran is an attempt to subject God to a limitation, the limitation of the worlds, letters, numbers and symbols of the Quran. The reason why God does not come to earth and make it absolute and unchanging is the same as the reason why God did not come to earth and father a child with Mary, mother of Jesus. It isn't in God's nature to behave like that.
God doesn't need Jesus nor the Quran to give human beings his guidance when he chooses to do so. God can deliver it directly into the heart, mind, soul, feelings and conscience of the Believer. This is what I see the Quran written down as being, the guidance from God recieved by the prophet, not infinite and unchanging, but still very wide, aware, noble and useful.