The Night of Decree is the 27th day of the 9th moon: Incontrovertible proof

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salaam Wayfinder and all,

Bro Ayman

Thanks for sharing your studies... What about the 10 days fasting? Is it meant to be the fasting of Ramadan? That is, 10 days instead of 30?

I am amazed how gullible people on this website are.

2185 Ramadan is the month during which the Quran was revealed, providing guidance for the people, clear teachings, and the statute book. Those of you who witnessed this month (the new moon appeared, perfect tense, the event belongs now to the past) shall fast therein. Those who are ill or traveling may substitute the same number of other days. GOD wishes for you convenience, not hardship, that you may fulfill your obligations, and to glorify GOD for guiding you, and to express your appreciation.

Out of ego and lack of knowledge, Ayman is trying to reinvent the meaning of words.
"Ramadan" is the month of Ramadan (30 days), the plural of "days" occurs 30 times in Quran, the maximum number of days of fasting.
Unbelievable that people let their lives be destroyed by such an insincere person (Ayman) who utters such nonsense.
Do not let yourselves be impressed by the seemingly scholarly tone of Ayman Look at the facts, they are simple, not twisted.

My advice Leave this website because people who try to reinvent the wheel out of ego will destroy you. If you hang out with them, you become like them.

Follow Quran alone, not Ayman alone.

Peace.

ayman

Peace Pierre,

2185 Ramadan is the month during which the Quran was revealed, providing guidance for the people, clear teachings, and the statute book. Those of you who witnessed this month (the new moon appeared, perfect tense, the event belongs now to the past) shall fast therein. Those who are ill or traveling may substitute the same number of other days. GOD wishes for you convenience, not hardship, that you may fulfill your obligations, and to glorify GOD for guiding you, and to express your appreciation.

How do you know that it is the new moon that we are to witness? and which new moon exactly? Also, the verb witnessed applies to "shahr". Are you now saying that "shahr" means the "new moon"?

Peace,

Ayman

unknownuser

Noon D Plume, so you think that Allah has provided the hints to calendar in Quran, contrary to what Aymen believes that There is no calendar inspired by the god.

Peace Raaajah,

I don't believe in hints rather precise instructions by carefully studying every word and it's exact use and meaning; now if people want to calculate precise times collect them into a handy calendar or whatever they call it, that's up to them.

Peace Ayman,

891-3. By the dawn and ten nights and the even and the odd.

I have a question pertaining to 892 and the exact meaning

1910 three nights
697 seven nights and eight days
892 and? ten

What is the difference when number is written after vs. before the phrase ? ten nights or can it mean tenth night?

WayFinder

Peace brother WayFinder,

Peace,

Thank you for the clarification and it is much appreciated. Since so much corruption has already occurred in the system... It would be no wonder at all if the ramadan as well had been a target in the past and therefore been distorted.. We should be striving and trying to uncover the truth in all these through our studies... May God enlighten us with knowledge.

As for the verses, I have no problem with the 2 verses which were prior to the verse above... The verse above seems to be talking about another context(hence hajj/umrah) which i have yet to understand. And the verse also seems to be a conditional statement which I have highlighted in blue.. and therefore, it does not seem to be a general rule. I would like to get your view on it.

Moreover, why at least 3 terms has been used in relation to the moon which is qamar, hilal/ahillah/shahr... what is your view on this?

siki

Moreover, why at least 3 terms has been used in relation to the moon which is qamar, hilal/ahillah/shahr... what is your view on this?

Qamar, is Moon.

Hilal, crescent shape of moon is called hilal

Ahillat, plural, multi shapes of hilal , crescent like

Badar, (this one you missed) Full rounded shapes could be denoted with term Badar

Shahr, Is the full moon, could be mixed up with Badars of plus minus one day, the best way to find out cosmically,

"The first full moon which would rise after the sun sets"

unknownuser

Peace siki,

Qamar, is Moon.

Shahr, Is the full moon

What is this then?

8418 and the moon when it evened/full

WayFinder

Qamar, is Moon.

Hilal, crescent shape of moon is called hilal

Ahillat, plural, multi shapes of hilal , crescent like

Badar, (this one you missed) Full rounded shapes could be denoted with term Badar

Shahr, Is the full moon, could be mixed up with Badars of plus minus one day, the best way to find out cosmically,

"The first full moon which would rise after the sun sets"

Thanks Siki... I did not know about the Badar... However, I do not think it has been used in the quran to mean/related to moon anywhere.. in case I am mistaken... do tell me.

Ayisha

Peace all, please bear with me as I try to put this across in word!

I have something new about this that I am a bit confused about. I was having a discussion at 5am this morning with hubby about Quran, hadith, Ramadan and stuff, which is a great thing as he normally ends up not quite refusing to listen but refusing to go out of his depth and 'threatening' to get the sheikh to talk to me -\

The sheikh is spending the last 10 nights of ramadan in the mosque in prayer, so I have to wait. This leads on to when the night of decree is. Hubby recited something and in this was a word that sounded like shahr(month) but isnt. In my questioning he then tells me other words that sound like shahr to my ears like hair and mustache and this other word he said means - from what I can gather from his actions- 'blinding sun'. This reminded me of what I have read on 'scorching heat'. What he tried to explain - bearing in mind we are in Egypt and blinding sun is there all the time - and what I could gather is that after this night the sun rise is not as blinding sun as every other day is, possibly due to the peaceful stuff that's happened in the night? -\ and thats how they know this night has happened, not that its going to happen, hence the prayer every night for the last 10 nights.

I have just got up and got on corpus Quran and I can't find this word in sura 97 ???

Any ideas anyone? ???

6619

Salaam Ayman,

Peace Pierre,

How do you know that it is the new moon that we are to witness? and which new moon exactly? Also, the verb witnessed applies to "shahr". Are you now saying that "shahr" means the "new moon"?

Peace,

Ayman

Yes, it is exactly what I am saying The new "month" appears with the new "moon". It is the same. God said there are 12 months, it simply means 12 new "moons" with their phases, until the new moon reappears.
It is perfectly clear in the document that proves incontrovertibly the Night of Decree, that "Moon" and "Month" connect in the same way with the 27th night. (http//www.islamrevolution.org/thenightofdecree.htm, read part 2).
Also getting to what you claim is a man made calendar, when Omar started counted years from the Hijri, in fact he did not change anything to the lunar calendar which has been in existence since the sun, planet earth and the moon form a system.

936 The count of months, as far as GOD is concerned, is twelve. This has been GOD's law, since the day He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred. This is the perfect religion; you shall not wrong your souls (by fighting) during the Sacred Months. However, you may declare all-out war against the idol worshipers (even during the Sacred Months), when they declare all-out war against you, and know that GOD is on the side of the righteous.

People who have eyes to see know full well that the lunar calendar is not man made God established it. It is engraved in Quran forever.
People who make up lies on this website have in reality no faith, no fear in God. They are blind and follow their own wishes, not the Quran.

Peace.

Pierre

ayman

Peace Noon,

I have a question pertaining to 892 and the exact meaning
1910 three nights
697 seven nights and eight days
892 and? ten
What is the difference when number is written after vs. before the phrase ? ten nights or can it mean tenth night?

For sure it doesn't mean tenth night. I don't think that the order makes much difference. For example, see how in the case of the seven heavens the order is reversed in 1744 and is given as .

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Peace brother WayFinder,

Thank you for the clarification and it is much appreciated. Since so much corruption has already occurred in the system... It would be no wonder at all if the ramadan as well had been a target in the past and therefore been distorted.. We should be striving and trying to uncover the truth in all these through our studies... May God enlighten us with knowledge.
As for the verses, I have no problem with the 2 verses which were prior to the verse above... The verse above seems to be talking about another context(hence hajj/umrah) which i have yet to understand. And the verse also seems to be a conditional statement which I have highlighted in blue.. and therefore, it does not seem to be a general rule. I would like to get your view on it.
Moreover, why at least 3 terms has been used in relation to the moon which is qamar, hilal/ahillah/shahr... what is your view on this?

The conditional statement is for those whose family is not attending the inviolable institution of obedience. For those, the "hagg"/feast may only be 3 days. This implies that for those whose family is attending the inviolable institution of obedience (al-masjid al-haram), it is 10 days. This is in line with what we know of the meaning of "few" (ma'doodat) as being 3-10. So the completion of a few is 10. The god clarifies this by saying that the ten is "complete".

Qamar > Moon
Hilal > Crescent (waning or waxing)
Shahr > Full moon

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Peace Noon,

What is this then?
8418 and the moon when it evened/full

Had being full been part of the inherent meaning of "qamar" then it wouldn't make sense to use the verb "itasaq" (became even/symmetric) and an adjective would have been more logical.

So "qamar" is simply "moon". Reading from 8416 to 8418 those passages clearly describe the process by which to observe the full-moon

See the afterglow of sunset (look in the direction of the afterglow of sunset).
See the night enshrowding (Turn 180 degrees and look in the opposite direction from where the darkness is spreading).
See the symmetric full-moon. (The full moon will appear from that precise direction very shortly).

This is how very simply and precisely we can determine for sure the full-moon. On the other hand, the not so full moon that came the previous day will appear before sunset so the sun will be visible and not the afterglow.

Peace,

Ayman

WayFinder

Thanks brother Ayman for sharing your views with us.. Can you give me a lead where I can read more on the 'the inviolable institution of obedience (al-masjid al-haram)' please.

Peace

ayman

Peace Ayisha,

Peace all, please bear with me as I try to put this across in word!
I have something new about this that I am a bit confused about. I was having a discussion at 5am this morning with hubby about Quran, hadith, Ramadan and stuff, which is a great thing as he normally ends up not quite refusing to listen but refusing to go out of his depth and 'threatening' to get the sheikh to talk to me -
The sheikh is spending the last 10 nights of ramadan in the mosque in prayer, so I have to wait. This leads on to when the night of decree is. Hubby recited something and in this was a word that sounded like shahr(month) but isnt. In my questioning he then tells me other words that sound like shahr to my ears like hair and mustache and this other word he said means - from what I can gather from his actions- 'blinding sun'. This reminded me of what I have read on 'scorching heat'. What he tried to explain - bearing in mind we are in Egypt and blinding sun is there all the time - and what I could gather is that after this night the sun rise is not as blinding sun as every other day is, possibly due to the peaceful stuff that's happened in the night? -\ and thats how they know this night has happened, not that its going to happen, hence the prayer every night for the last 10 nights.
I have just got up and got on corpus Quran and I can't find this word in sura 97 ???
Any ideas anyone? ???

I think that your husband was referring to some Hadiths which claim that the sun doesn't have any ray (sho'a&#039 after the night of measure. Here is the text of one of those Hadiths

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This is all part of the Sunni nonsensical guessing games since their Sheiks are clueless about this most important night and are completely unaware of it. It is clear from 972 that the good and peace of this night only come with awareness of it

And what will make you aware what the night of power is.

The following is an article in Arabic on this subject

http//www.scribd.com/doc/30298535/%D9%85%D8%AA%D9%8A-%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%84%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%AF%D8%B1

People can never be aware of this night using Hadiths or numerology and it will pass like any other night for them. It is amazingly fitting that the awarness of this night is only possible with a careful study of the signs of the great reading that was sent down in it.

Peace,

Ayman

Ayisha

Peace Ayisha,

I think that your husband was referring to some Hadiths which claim that the sun doesn't have any ray (sho'a&#039 after the night of measure. Here is the text of one of those Hadiths

( ) -

This is all part of the Sunni nonsensical guessing games since their Sheiks are clueless about this most important night and are completely unaware of it. It is clear from 972 that the good and peace of this night only come with awareness of it

And what will make you aware what the night of power is.

The following is an article in Arabic on this subject

http//www.scribd.com/doc/30298535/%D9%85%D8%AA%D9%8A-%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%84%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%AF%D8%B1

People can never be aware of this night using Hadiths or numerology and it will pass like any other night for them. It is amazingly fitting that the awarness of this night is only possible with a careful study of the signs of the great reading that was sent down in it.

Peace,

Ayman

yes you're right Ayman, just got him to look at the verse and then the hadith (not knowing it was hadith) and he said it was there. Thank you peace

Mazhar

Peace brother WayFinder,

Yes. It is 10 days. The "scorching full-moon" (shahr ramadan) is simply a marker. The verb "shahed" (witnessed) in 2185 is perfect past tense. It is impossible to witness a 30 day period first and then go back in time and fast it.

We are told to fast for a few days in 2183 (few is 3 to 10). We are then told to complete the count in 2185 (completing 3 to 10 is reaching 10). See below (I am not sure if you know Arabic. Please let me know if you would like a translation)

Peace,

Ayman

Out of ego and lack of knowledge, Ayman is trying to reinvent the meaning of words.
"Ramadan" is the month of Ramadan (30 days), the plural of "days" occurs 30 times in Quran, the maximum number of days of fasting. Quote 660

Apprintice 669 your observation is absolutely correct.

The sentence is

Just seeing the verb in past tense he seems to have jumped to that conclusion. He does not seem to know what a conditional sentence means and how is it structured. And he also fails to see the imperative particle "Laam" and the jussive mood of the verb and the object pronoun attached to it which is masculine, singular, third person referring to the Month Ramzaan.

ayman

Peace Ayisha,

yes you're right Ayman, just got him to look at the verse and then the hadith (not knowing it was hadith) and he said it was there. Thank you peace

There was a big error with the translation I provided. Here is the correction

And what will make you aware what the night of measure is.

Sorry about this.

Peace,

Ayman

Ayisha

Peace Ayisha,

There was a big error with the translation I provided. Here is the correction

And what will make you aware what the night of measure is.

Sorry about this.

Peace,

Ayman

Peace Ayman

A translation to English of the hadith you quoted would be great, when you have time, please ;D peace

ayman

Peace Pierre,

Yes, it is exactly what I am saying The new "month" appears with the new "moon". It is the same. God said there are 12 months, it simply means 12 new "moons" with their phases, until the new moon reappears.

You are inventing your own language. What you are saying is baseless logically and linguistically. There is no dictionary that says that the word "shahr" means "new moon". Please show the word in the great reading that you are translating as "new moon".

It is perfectly clear in the document that proves incontrovertibly the Night of Decree, that "Moon" and "Month" connect in the same way with the 27th night. (http//www.islamrevolution.org/thenightofdecree.htm, read part 2).
Also getting to what you claim is a man made calendar, when Omar started counted years from the Hijri, in fact he did not change anything to the lunar calendar which has been in existence since the sun, planet earth and the moon form a system.
936 The count of months, as far as GOD is concerned, is twelve. This has been GOD's law, since the day He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred. This is the perfect religion; you shall not wrong your souls (by fighting) during the Sacred Months. However, you may declare all-out war against the idol worshipers (even during the Sacred Months), when they declare all-out war against you, and know that GOD is on the side of the righteous.
People who have eyes to see know full well that the lunar calendar is not man made God established it. It is engraved in Quran forever.
People who make up lies on this website have in reality no faith, no fear in God. They are blind and follow their own wishes, not the Quran.

Your translation is false and you are confusing the lunar cycle and the Hijri Calendar. Those are two different things. It is an indisputable reality that when your so-called Ramadan occurs is based on when Sha'ban occured and so on. It is an indisputable fact that if Sha'aban and Ramadan are transposed or Safar started a month earlier then you would be fasting what you now call Sha'aban. Whether they were made up by Umar or anyone else, the lunar and solar cycles have nothing to do with those 100% arbitrary and manmade decisions.

There is absolutely nothing in the sun, planet earth and moon that say that your so called Ramadan (and thus the 27th of it) has to occur on a particular day. Your only basis for this is the Hijri calendar and not the sun, planet earth and the moon. Therefore if you are on a cruise ship and the ship sinks and you become unconcious and wake up on a deserted island and lose track of the Hijri calendar, you will never in a thousand years know your so-called Ramadan based on the lunar and solar cycles. You can have everything and all technlogy at your disposal and still you will not know when is your Ramadan and your falsehood will be lost forever. The only thing that will provide you that info is if a satellite phone washed on shore and you contact a Sunni friend to ask him about what day in the Hijri calendar it is today. This example demonstrates the indisputable reality that the Hijri calendar is 100% arbitrary and manmade and is not based on the lunar or solar cycles. Why 19ers, who claim to be all mathematical and scientific, are the least able to grasp simple indisputable physical scientific realities?

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Out of ego and lack of knowledge, Ayman is trying to reinvent the meaning of words.
"Ramadan" is the month of Ramadan (30 days), the plural of "days" occurs 30 times in Quran, the maximum number of days of fasting. Quote 660

You are a liar and a fraud who deliberately plays numerology games like 19ers. The plural form occurs 27 times.

Also, it is an indisputable fact that your so-called Ramadan is a 100% arbitrary and manmade timing that has nothing to do with the god's system and reality. What it really depends on are arbitrary manmade decisions about the order of the months and when month 1, year 1 was invented.

Apprintice 669 your observation is absolutely correct.
The sentence is

Just seeing the verb in past tense he seems to have jumped to that conclusion. He does not seem to know what a conditional sentence means and how is it structured. And he also fails to see the imperative particle "Laam" and the jussive mood of the verb and the object pronoun attached to it which is masculine, singular, third person referring to the Month Ramzaan.

The usage of the past tense verb "witnessed" in 2185 creates two insurmountable logical problems for sectarians

In Arabic the usage of the past tense for witnessed and then the present tense for "fast" indicates the sequence of events. In other words, one has to witness first and then fast. Of course, it is a physical impossibility to first witness a 30 day period and then go back in time and fast it.
Second, how can one witness "time"? it is impossible and nonsensical.

http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/temp%2002%20%202.185c.gif

Mazhar tried to overcome the first logical problem by changing the tense from past to present. However, a conditional in Arabic doesn't change the sequence of events and the tense of any verb from past to present as he did in his translation (here it is copied from his website)

Therefore anyone from amongst you who witnesses this month then he should fast therein. (Grand Qur'aan is a Statement of Fact, excludes those living but could be in such state as coma rotfl )

When there is no required sequence of events and the first event doesn't have to be done first before the next clause then there is nothing wrong in Arabic with using the present tense with the conditional as we can see in 2229, for example (again from Mazhar's website)

http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/temp%2002%20%202.229p.gif
And whoever transgresses the limits set by Allah, for this reason they are the people who are evil-doers/distorters/creators of imbalances/disorders/over stepping.

Next Mazhar tries to go around the logical absurdity of interpreting "shahr" to mean a 30 day period by interpreting "shahid" (witnessed) to mean "lived" or "was present". However, by doing so he created a third logical absurdity for himself. Since everyone is living or is present, then his nonsense now renders the conditional pointless. This is after his empty ranting about how knowing what the conditional means and how is it structured is so important. According to him, the conditional is present to exclude those in a coma!! rotfl Sorry I don't usually use those kind of smileys but this is too comical. But seriously, as everyone can see, by distorting the great reading to hypocritically justify his sectarian preconceptions Mazhar exposes himself as he slides down a slippery slope of absurdities.

Peace,

Ayman