The Night of Decree is the 27th day of the 9th moon: Incontrovertible proof

Mazhar

Brothers

I found the answer to my own question.. Indeed the Quran tell us that IT has been revealed on a blessed night in 443

'Indeed, We sent it down during a blessed night. Indeed, We were to warn '

There is no argument on this anymore, it is very clear from 442-4 that God is speaking about the Quran.

Therefore, now it fits for me that the IT in the laylatul qadr is eventually pointing to the Quran as well...

Praise God

Brother,

You correctly said this. And if you read the next Ayaat you will find the explanation of what is stated about Lailatul Qadr.

And even if you consider the verbal noun of the verb in 9701 it will indicate one time event, as apprintice has said in his post. And pronoun "hu" in the same verb has been used for Qur'aan at 12 places in the Grand Qur'aan.

http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/044.%20Ad%20Dukhan/44.03.gif
It is a fact that We had descended this Book/Grand Qur'aan during the Night which has been declared/made as of permanence and perpetuation thus blessed one.

http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/044.%20Ad%20Dukhan/44.04.gif
During that Night each and every matter, which was hitherto a secreted and infolded matter/decision, is made distinctly exposed in isolated manner from each other ,

Surat 44

http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/097.%20Al%20Qadr/97.04.gif
during that night, by the Will/permission of Allah, Angels and Gib'raa'eil cause themselves to come down intermittently , with command/ decision/decree on each and every matter/affair;

Surat 97

unknownuser

Peace,

Why there was need for Calendars?

We need calendars to keep track of time, appointments, computers programs and websites running, etc.
Although time is an illusion of our consciousness -- try using that excuse next time you're late for work. lol

What is the calendar inspired by God?
does it exist?

8418
and the moon when it evened/full

891-4
and the dawn
and night ten
and the even and the odd
and the night hence departs

Perhaps 10th night/s refers to that of full moon with 30 and 29 even/odd cycles.

Need to precisely calculate cycles see if there is a repeatable pattern; example

http//i52.tinypic.com/op0i9g.jpg

http//i51.tinypic.com/9abqiq.jpg

http//i54.tinypic.com/28mmn3d.jpg

ayman

Peace Raaajah,

Please if you can answer following questions, it will be easier to understand.
Why there was need for Calendars?

Calendars are manmade tools for keeping track of natural cycles that are important for our lives. For example, useful calendars enable farmers to plan when to plant crops and when to harvest them.

What is the calendar inspired by God?
does it exist?
and which country/nation follows it?

There is no calendar inspired by the god. What the god has made are natural cosmic phenomena. For example, he instructs us about the "salat" (learning connection) at daybreak and after sunset. He doesn't tell us at 5AM and 730PM. While daybreak and sunset are god-given universal markers, 5AM and 730PM are manmade and not universal. They are not always true as daytime and night will be shorter and longer and require modern timekeeping instruments. They also depend on when hour 0 takes place and how many divisions are in a day. The choice of midnight as 0 and the 24 hours divisions is 100% arbitrary and manmade.

The same thing can be said about the Hijri and Gregorian calendars. The choice of month 1 (which all the other months depend on) and the order of the months is 100% arbitrary and manmade. Just as the god has told us about timing within the day using clear signs of sunset and daybreak and not 5AM and 730PM, which depend on arbitrary manmade decisions, he has also told us about the timing of events within the year using clear signs and not Hijri or Gregorian or any other manmade arbitrary calendar. The god has inspired us to use natural cosmic phenomena for timing and for correctly obeying him. This is discussed in details here

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0

Also, if you know Arabic you can read the following article

http//www.scribd.com/doc/30298535/%D9%85%D8%AA%D9%8A-%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%84%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%AF%D8%B1

Peace,

Ayman

Raaajah

Aymen

Calendars are manmade tools for keeping track of natural cycles that are important for our lives. For example, useful calendars enable farmers to plan when to plant crops and when to harvest them.

Noon de plume

We need calendars to keep track of time, appointments, computers programs and websites running, etc.

Therefore what i get from these statements is that Calendar is a man made tool to help us.

Aymen

There is no difference between the 100% manmade Hadiths and the 100% manmade calendar that you are asking us to believe is from the god. Do you really expect us to believe in your silent assumption that the god inspired Umar to invent the Hijri calendar? Is Umar another one of your new messengers now?

But after reading the above I am still confused that
Weather inspired by God or not, why should we not take Hijri calendar to mark the month of "Scorching heat"? in absence of God made calendar
Aymen

There is no calendar inspired by the god.

I will study the answers to my questions one by one, and try to understand as this concept is some thing totally contrary to existing or in practice.

May be I can find the answer to my other questions in the thread mentioned.
Aymen

...he has also told us about the timing of events within the year using clear signs and not Hijri or Gregorian or any other manmade arbitrary calendar..

But I have found no aayt in Quran which says that we should not use man made tools which might help us, however may be in this thread I can find out, mentioned by you.

Noon D Plume, so you think that Allah has provided the hints to calendar in Quran, contrary to what Aymen believes that There is no calendar inspired by the god.

ayman

Peace Noon,

8418
and the moon when it evened/full
891-4
and the dawn
and night ten
and the even and the odd
and the night hence departs
Perhaps 10th night/s refers to that of full moon with 30 and 29 even/odd cycles.
Need to precisely calculate cycles see if there is a repeatable pattern; example

I actually experienced 8416-18 this year and it was the most amazing thing.

So I do swear by the redness of dusk.

After sunset when the sky is glowing red

And the night and what it enshrouds.

and the night enshrouds the sky from the opposite direction

And the moon when it becomes symmetric.

from this direction the full symmetric moon appears.

http//i47.tinypic.com/2nqe0yh.jpg

And the moon we have measured in descending stages, until it becomes like an old curved sheath.
We have sent it down in the night of measure.
And do you know what the night of measure is?
The night of measure is better than one thousand full-moons.
The controllers and the spirit come down in it by their lord?s leave in every matter.
It is peaceful until the rising of the dawn.

891-3. By the dawn and ten nights and the even and the odd.

Dawn is the common point so

Night of measure + 10 nights = 11 odd nights marking the 10 even days of fasting.

Putting it all together

http//i51.tinypic.com/96hn5k.jpg

Amazing.

Peace,

Ayman

WayFinder

Bro Ayman

Thanks for sharing your studies... What about the 10 days fasting? Is it meant to be the fasting of Ramadan? That is, 10 days instead of 30?

ayman

Peace brother WayFinder,

Thanks for sharing your studies... What about the 10 days fasting? Is it meant to be the fasting of Ramadan? That is, 10 days instead of 30?

Yes. It is 10 days. The "scorching full-moon" (shahr ramadan) is simply a marker. The verb "shahed" (witnessed) in 2185 is perfect past tense. It is impossible to witness a 30 day period first and then go back in time and fast it.

We are told to fast for a few days in 2183 (few is 3 to 10). We are then told to complete the count in 2185 (completing 3 to 10 is reaching 10). See below (I am not sure if you know Arabic. Please let me know if you would like a translation)

Peace,

Ayman

6619

salaam Wayfinder and all,

Bro Ayman

Thanks for sharing your studies... What about the 10 days fasting? Is it meant to be the fasting of Ramadan? That is, 10 days instead of 30?

I am amazed how gullible people on this website are.

2185 Ramadan is the month during which the Quran was revealed, providing guidance for the people, clear teachings, and the statute book. Those of you who witnessed this month (the new moon appeared, perfect tense, the event belongs now to the past) shall fast therein. Those who are ill or traveling may substitute the same number of other days. GOD wishes for you convenience, not hardship, that you may fulfill your obligations, and to glorify GOD for guiding you, and to express your appreciation.

Out of ego and lack of knowledge, Ayman is trying to reinvent the meaning of words.
"Ramadan" is the month of Ramadan (30 days), the plural of "days" occurs 30 times in Quran, the maximum number of days of fasting.
Unbelievable that people let their lives be destroyed by such an insincere person (Ayman) who utters such nonsense.
Do not let yourselves be impressed by the seemingly scholarly tone of Ayman Look at the facts, they are simple, not twisted.

My advice Leave this website because people who try to reinvent the wheel out of ego will destroy you. If you hang out with them, you become like them.

Follow Quran alone, not Ayman alone.

Peace.

ayman

Peace Pierre,

2185 Ramadan is the month during which the Quran was revealed, providing guidance for the people, clear teachings, and the statute book. Those of you who witnessed this month (the new moon appeared, perfect tense, the event belongs now to the past) shall fast therein. Those who are ill or traveling may substitute the same number of other days. GOD wishes for you convenience, not hardship, that you may fulfill your obligations, and to glorify GOD for guiding you, and to express your appreciation.

How do you know that it is the new moon that we are to witness? and which new moon exactly? Also, the verb witnessed applies to "shahr". Are you now saying that "shahr" means the "new moon"?

Peace,

Ayman

unknownuser

Noon D Plume, so you think that Allah has provided the hints to calendar in Quran, contrary to what Aymen believes that There is no calendar inspired by the god.

Peace Raaajah,

I don't believe in hints rather precise instructions by carefully studying every word and it's exact use and meaning; now if people want to calculate precise times collect them into a handy calendar or whatever they call it, that's up to them.

Peace Ayman,

891-3. By the dawn and ten nights and the even and the odd.

I have a question pertaining to 892 and the exact meaning

1910 three nights
697 seven nights and eight days
892 and? ten

What is the difference when number is written after vs. before the phrase ? ten nights or can it mean tenth night?

WayFinder

Peace brother WayFinder,

Peace,

Thank you for the clarification and it is much appreciated. Since so much corruption has already occurred in the system... It would be no wonder at all if the ramadan as well had been a target in the past and therefore been distorted.. We should be striving and trying to uncover the truth in all these through our studies... May God enlighten us with knowledge.

As for the verses, I have no problem with the 2 verses which were prior to the verse above... The verse above seems to be talking about another context(hence hajj/umrah) which i have yet to understand. And the verse also seems to be a conditional statement which I have highlighted in blue.. and therefore, it does not seem to be a general rule. I would like to get your view on it.

Moreover, why at least 3 terms has been used in relation to the moon which is qamar, hilal/ahillah/shahr... what is your view on this?

siki

Moreover, why at least 3 terms has been used in relation to the moon which is qamar, hilal/ahillah/shahr... what is your view on this?

Qamar, is Moon.

Hilal, crescent shape of moon is called hilal

Ahillat, plural, multi shapes of hilal , crescent like

Badar, (this one you missed) Full rounded shapes could be denoted with term Badar

Shahr, Is the full moon, could be mixed up with Badars of plus minus one day, the best way to find out cosmically,

"The first full moon which would rise after the sun sets"

unknownuser

Peace siki,

Qamar, is Moon.

Shahr, Is the full moon

What is this then?

8418 and the moon when it evened/full

WayFinder

Qamar, is Moon.

Hilal, crescent shape of moon is called hilal

Ahillat, plural, multi shapes of hilal , crescent like

Badar, (this one you missed) Full rounded shapes could be denoted with term Badar

Shahr, Is the full moon, could be mixed up with Badars of plus minus one day, the best way to find out cosmically,

"The first full moon which would rise after the sun sets"

Thanks Siki... I did not know about the Badar... However, I do not think it has been used in the quran to mean/related to moon anywhere.. in case I am mistaken... do tell me.

Ayisha

Peace all, please bear with me as I try to put this across in word!

I have something new about this that I am a bit confused about. I was having a discussion at 5am this morning with hubby about Quran, hadith, Ramadan and stuff, which is a great thing as he normally ends up not quite refusing to listen but refusing to go out of his depth and 'threatening' to get the sheikh to talk to me -\

The sheikh is spending the last 10 nights of ramadan in the mosque in prayer, so I have to wait. This leads on to when the night of decree is. Hubby recited something and in this was a word that sounded like shahr(month) but isnt. In my questioning he then tells me other words that sound like shahr to my ears like hair and mustache and this other word he said means - from what I can gather from his actions- 'blinding sun'. This reminded me of what I have read on 'scorching heat'. What he tried to explain - bearing in mind we are in Egypt and blinding sun is there all the time - and what I could gather is that after this night the sun rise is not as blinding sun as every other day is, possibly due to the peaceful stuff that's happened in the night? -\ and thats how they know this night has happened, not that its going to happen, hence the prayer every night for the last 10 nights.

I have just got up and got on corpus Quran and I can't find this word in sura 97 ???

Any ideas anyone? ???

6619

Salaam Ayman,

Peace Pierre,

How do you know that it is the new moon that we are to witness? and which new moon exactly? Also, the verb witnessed applies to "shahr". Are you now saying that "shahr" means the "new moon"?

Peace,

Ayman

Yes, it is exactly what I am saying The new "month" appears with the new "moon". It is the same. God said there are 12 months, it simply means 12 new "moons" with their phases, until the new moon reappears.
It is perfectly clear in the document that proves incontrovertibly the Night of Decree, that "Moon" and "Month" connect in the same way with the 27th night. (http//www.islamrevolution.org/thenightofdecree.htm, read part 2).
Also getting to what you claim is a man made calendar, when Omar started counted years from the Hijri, in fact he did not change anything to the lunar calendar which has been in existence since the sun, planet earth and the moon form a system.

936 The count of months, as far as GOD is concerned, is twelve. This has been GOD's law, since the day He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred. This is the perfect religion; you shall not wrong your souls (by fighting) during the Sacred Months. However, you may declare all-out war against the idol worshipers (even during the Sacred Months), when they declare all-out war against you, and know that GOD is on the side of the righteous.

People who have eyes to see know full well that the lunar calendar is not man made God established it. It is engraved in Quran forever.
People who make up lies on this website have in reality no faith, no fear in God. They are blind and follow their own wishes, not the Quran.

Peace.

Pierre

ayman

Peace Noon,

I have a question pertaining to 892 and the exact meaning
1910 three nights
697 seven nights and eight days
892 and? ten
What is the difference when number is written after vs. before the phrase ? ten nights or can it mean tenth night?

For sure it doesn't mean tenth night. I don't think that the order makes much difference. For example, see how in the case of the seven heavens the order is reversed in 1744 and is given as .

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Peace brother WayFinder,

Thank you for the clarification and it is much appreciated. Since so much corruption has already occurred in the system... It would be no wonder at all if the ramadan as well had been a target in the past and therefore been distorted.. We should be striving and trying to uncover the truth in all these through our studies... May God enlighten us with knowledge.
As for the verses, I have no problem with the 2 verses which were prior to the verse above... The verse above seems to be talking about another context(hence hajj/umrah) which i have yet to understand. And the verse also seems to be a conditional statement which I have highlighted in blue.. and therefore, it does not seem to be a general rule. I would like to get your view on it.
Moreover, why at least 3 terms has been used in relation to the moon which is qamar, hilal/ahillah/shahr... what is your view on this?

The conditional statement is for those whose family is not attending the inviolable institution of obedience. For those, the "hagg"/feast may only be 3 days. This implies that for those whose family is attending the inviolable institution of obedience (al-masjid al-haram), it is 10 days. This is in line with what we know of the meaning of "few" (ma'doodat) as being 3-10. So the completion of a few is 10. The god clarifies this by saying that the ten is "complete".

Qamar > Moon
Hilal > Crescent (waning or waxing)
Shahr > Full moon

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Peace Noon,

What is this then?
8418 and the moon when it evened/full

Had being full been part of the inherent meaning of "qamar" then it wouldn't make sense to use the verb "itasaq" (became even/symmetric) and an adjective would have been more logical.

So "qamar" is simply "moon". Reading from 8416 to 8418 those passages clearly describe the process by which to observe the full-moon

See the afterglow of sunset (look in the direction of the afterglow of sunset).
See the night enshrowding (Turn 180 degrees and look in the opposite direction from where the darkness is spreading).
See the symmetric full-moon. (The full moon will appear from that precise direction very shortly).

This is how very simply and precisely we can determine for sure the full-moon. On the other hand, the not so full moon that came the previous day will appear before sunset so the sun will be visible and not the afterglow.

Peace,

Ayman

WayFinder

Thanks brother Ayman for sharing your views with us.. Can you give me a lead where I can read more on the 'the inviolable institution of obedience (al-masjid al-haram)' please.

Peace