The Most Dignified, the Most Elevated always comes as the last one
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Mazhar
Just few undeniable realities and ground facts which most of the sensible people know and accept.
Ayisha
what is sensible in elevating and praising and paying tribute and respect to a corrupt President? We must have a very different idea of 'sensible'
most of the sensible people know and accept.
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Generally a dirty mind does not accept plain and universally accepted realities and norms and practices in the apprehension that some truth which he abhors may not eventually have to be accepted and keeps playing with irrelevant escapes.
Excuse me? What the hell are you talking about Mazhar? You start a thread about elevating the president of Pakistan and all the palava that goes with it for NO apparent point at all and now you're ranting about dirty minds not accepting WHAT exactly?
I have pointed out to you that I don't see anything sensible about praising a corrupt government official no matter who he is, and you go on to Kings. make your point Mazhar then we can discuss that but this beating about the bush to make some hidden point is just silly.
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I stated an accepted principle and practice, and in support gave an example what I have physically seen and observed in my own country. And then said that perhaps the same is the tradition worldover.
The Most Dignified, the Most Elevated always comes as the last one.
It is everyday experience that in any assembly-gathering of human beings the Most Dignified and Elevated amongst them arrives-comes- in the assembly after everyone has come. In Pakistan, the President of Pakistan arrives at any place of gathering when all others have come and seated and on his arrival everyone stands and upon his coming at the stage the national anthem is immediately played which reflects that the whole nation is paying him tribute and salutation and men and women in uniform in that gathering keep continuously saluting him throughout the national anthem is played. And perhaps so is the tradition the worldover.
The only point to be negated is the red one. Is it a fact or fabrication? Yes or No.
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There are in some countries graves/memorials of unknown soldiers who are considered and respected as heroes of that nation. Dignatories of other countries pay visit, lay wreaths, stand in silence as gesture of respect and praise for the dead unknown soldier while the accompanying uniform personnel salute the grave. And they record words in a book praising and paying tributes to the dead soldier whose name is not even known. Are they worshipping a dead soldier? Is that dead person listening and seeing their praises, words of respect and salutations? Are they fools who do this?
Why people do not comment about it? Why are they afraid to say this is a correct observation or is merely an imaginative thought of Mazhar?
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I stated an accepted principle and practice, and in support gave an example what I have physically seen and observed in my own country. And then said that perhaps the same is the tradition worldover.
Could you kindly supply some proof that what you described about the Pakistani government is an "accepted principle and practice"?
I am not trying to be facetious, I never thought about this. So I'm wondering if this is indeed a tradition everywhere, as you are suggesting.
But assuming it is, then I still don't get which point you are trying to make? Is it right? Is it wrong? Why are you telling us about this particular practice?
And ? more importantly ? what does the Qur'an tell us about traditions and established practices? As far as I recall, we are being warned not to follow traditions for traditions' sake, no?
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I stated an accepted principle and practice, and in support gave an example what I have physically seen and observed in my own country. And then said that perhaps the same is the tradition worldover.
"Quote from Mazhar on September 05, 2010, 074018 PM
The Most Dignified, the Most Elevated always comes as the last one.It is everyday experience that in any assembly-gathering of human beings the Most Dignified and Elevated amongst them arrives-comes- in the assembly after everyone has come. In Pakistan, the President of Pakistan arrives at any place of gathering when all others have come and seated and on his arrival everyone stands and upon his coming at the stage the national anthem is immediately played which reflects that the whole nation is paying him tribute and salutation and men and women in uniform in that gathering keep continuously saluting him throughout the national anthem is played. And perhaps so is the tradition the worldover. "
The only point to be negated is the red one. Is it a fact or fabrication? Yes or No.
Who cares? I understand there may be many from Pakistan here on this forum but obviously no one feels they need to discuss this or comment on it. Its like saying a red rose smells better than a yellow one, on a forum about Islam, no one wants to discuss this do they?And then was
There are in some countries graves/memorials of unknown soldiers who are considered and respected as heroes of that nation. Dignatories of other countries pay visit, lay wreaths, stand in silence as gesture of respect and praise for the dead unknown soldier while the accompanying uniform personnel salute the grave. And they record words in a book praising and paying tributes to the dead soldier whose name is not even known. Are they worshipping a dead soldier? Is that dead person listening and seeing their praises, words of respect and salutations? Are they fools who do this?
Why people do not comment about it? Why are they afraid to say this is a correct observation or is merely an imaginative thought of Mazhar?
They dont comment because there is a motive and point that you are keeping hidden and no one cares to comment on it until that is revealed, I don't know, I can't speak for all those here that have not bothered with this thread, all I know is that I asked what is the point and made some comments you don't seem to like about corruption and have indirectly been called a dirty mind and insulted over it.
If you want to discuss the praise you give to your corrupt president thats fine, but don't expect others to care what you praise or elevate when we all know this is tradition and FALSE.
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Is it true that in an assembly-gathering of human beings in Egypt the person holding the Most dignified and elevated position, say the President of Egypt, in society arrives at the end.
I have no idea. Samir farag, the Luxor Governor was supposed to be at a meeting I was at which was something to do with peace, he didnt bother coming at all, does that mean he is more dignified and elevated than Mubarak who does turn up? The president of Egypt is as corrupt as your president of Pakistan, does that make either of them dignified or elevated?
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I have no idea. Samir farag, the Luxor Governor was supposed to be at a meeting I was at which was something to do with peace, he didnt bother coming at all, does that mean he is more dignified and elevated than Mubarak who does turn up? The president of Egypt is as corrupt as your president of Pakistan, does that make either of them dignified or elevated?
Yes our president is elevated then egypt our is more corrupt, muscle
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Yes our president is elevated then egypt our is more corrupt, muscle
"Mazhar In Pakistan, the President of Pakistan arrives at any place of gathering when all others have come and seated and on his arrival everyone stands and upon his coming at the stage the national anthem is immediately played which reflects that the whole nation is paying him tribute and salutation and men and women in uniform in that gathering keep continuously saluting him throughout the national anthem is played."
Then what does it say about these people paying him tribute and salutations and claiming he is the Most dignified and elevated one?
They are AS CORRUPT
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The President of Pakistan is elected by the majority people of Pakistan as being the most dignified to represent them. Therefore wherever he goes he is saluted even by the generals of other nations. People who do not recognize the fact keep talking irrelevant things, escaping the actual point.
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The president of Egypt is as corrupt as your president of Pakistan, does that make either of them dignified or elevated?
Actually, that's what was striking me as odd. Both examples given here are not particularly about democratic leaders in democratic countries.
To me, as a European, the description of playing the national anthem and people in uniform standing up and salutating whenever the head of state appears sound a little bit strange, to be honest. I don't think that's common practice around the world and, more importantly, it holds no significance in regards to whether that person is actually respected and seen as "dignified and elevated" by the population.
I would like to elaborate, but it might not be the smartest thing to do with the internet line I'm currently using. &
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"Mazhar In Pakistan, the President of Pakistan arrives at any place of gathering when all others have come and seated and on his arrival everyone stands and upon his coming at the stage the national anthem is immediately played which reflects that the whole nation is paying him tribute and salutation and men and women in uniform in that gathering keep continuously saluting him throughout the national anthem is played."
Then what does it say about these people paying him tribute and salutations and claiming he is the Most dignified and elevated one?
They are AS CORRUPT
nope Not whole nation but the army band and diplomats present ! But if I become Pak president you will also consider me corrupt >
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nope Not whole nation but the army band and diplomats present ! But if I become Pak president you will also consider me corrupt >
That would depend on whether you run a corrupt government too wouldn't it jedi
A title means just that, it's a title, it does not make the person using that title dignified or elevated in any way, what DOES make them dignified and elevated is how they apply the job that goes with that title. Once this president is not re-elected these people will choose a new one, who Mazhar and his people will again elevate as the last one to enter a room )
still a silly topic but hey, getting used to it here
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That would depend on whether you run a corrupt government too wouldn't it jedi
A title means just that, it's a title, it does not make the person using that title dignified or elevated in any way, what DOES make them dignified and elevated is how they apply the job that goes with that title. Once this president is not re-elected these people will choose a new one, who Mazhar and his people will again elevate as the last one to enter a room
still a silly topic but hey, getting used to it here
So you agree to this extent only that so long he is the President, the people will pay him respects and acknowledge his dignified position. I hold the same opinion that the title and position held by a person does make him dignified for people.