Is Prophet Muhammad?s duty to deliver Quran only?: No
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Let?s put your logic to test
Prophet Muhammad?s daughter and few other people following Prophet Muhammad?s footsteps.
According to you they are astray and their action is completely illogical. According to you they should cease and desist. And you say you are a logical person!!!!!!
You should read and apply the verse in the context and the environment.
What a completely illogical and twisted statement and assumption that what you follow WAS what the prophet followed when CLEARLY he followed Quran to the letter. ???
The prophet Muhammed's family and those that WERE with him and followed what he DID actually do were doing it properly. The problem lies in that over 200 years after his death, AND the death of ALL those that were with him and following him PROPERLY, some men claimed to have spoken with relatives/companions of these people going back over 2 centuries and got minimum 600,000 statements of 'the prophet said/did this or that' from people who would NEVER have met HIM OR his family and from this 600,000 less than 1% are now to date considered sahih (SOUND), including those of a known liar, and these less than 1% show hundreds of contradictions in their SOUND narrations, and these are what is followed now just as this is what was followed BEFORE Muhammed came to sort it all out YET AGAIN after the pagans got in YET AGAIN and buggered it all up after Jesus and Moses. This is exactly what happened with the message before and THIS time we have THE BOOK, the ACTUAL WORD OF GOD, how can we still go wrong? By NOT following the book and claiming the explanation is elsewhere. That is what has happened over the last few hundred years, think how long it took before prophet Jesus became 'god', 325 years maybe a bit more. Once the ORIGINAL perpetrators are gone it is easy peasy to then claim this is 'fact' and people will follow like blind sheep under CONTROL. Organized religion CONTROLS the masses and always has done. Muhammed was sent to sort this out and tell the people a final time, 'this is how it is or else and there will be no more warnings.' and no not those words exactly so I dont want 10 pages of what I said but that is the meaning, the WARNING in Quran! Muhammed was a WARNER.This is your FINAL WARNING. After almost 1400 gregorian calendar years imagine how much has changed by NOT looking at the book, by NOT studying and questioning and searching for ourselves? We will not be there on Judgement day as a group of 'sunni' or 'shia' or the mosque down the road, we will be there as individuals in front of our creator totally naked as in nothing to hide behind from Him. He will KNOW every tiny detail and He will know that you never bothered to look at and think about the greatest gift of mankind and that you prefered to have someone else tell you what to do and say and THINK. You had your warning, you buried it under a blanket and recited it occassionally from your lips, but not having it ever touch your heart or your mind enough to REFLECT ON IT because you have had a brainblock put in at birth and you have followed what you have been TOLD is Islam and you cannot possibly understand the words in the buried book you recite from so its better that you are taught by someone else other than Allah, assuming that person has taken care not to do what you do, which of course he also will have been doing all his life too.
ok? any questions please do not hesitate to get back to me peace
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Why do you take a small subset and call it a full set. That is WRONG.
For example, RK does not fall in your category, yet you are forcing him into that category. He performed five salat a day and he was not lazy or scared.
why am I forcing him into any category? how did RK even come up in this conversation?
Who said anything about those that pray 5 times a day anyway? Are you also going to come up with so many people who fast are what you think I said about those that pray?
Why are you not answering #4? ???
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Leyna I think you need a Massage, you said you are tired.
I'm not only tired, I have a horrible flu / bronchitis and my head and bones are aching. All that in about 35?C weather. yuck
Yes, a massage would be great, thanks for making me think of that now! voodoo
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So if I answered 5 times a day and 30 days fast would you still argue this is dif(insertion of missing f my engleesh teecher told me)erent to other peoples understanding the world over?
Yes!
I can see here at this very Forum, and many other forums, that there are two Salaats, 3, and No Salaat, one of the most convincing one is from WAKAS, with reference to Quranic verses and detailed study of the subject
Therefore if it is EXPLAINED in the Book then why the difference?
Aymen uses Quranic verses to explain that the Fast is for 10 days.Do you understand what I mean to say, now?
ahh yes ! whatever I say you will have a sound argument against it either way right? ;Dthat was Allah said that actually, I just keep having to remind you which you keep ignoring
That is your understanding. If it is as you say, Then why are there above differences?
Yes it is my understanding that Allah said this, you are free to ignore that again if you wish. There are differences because they are using their minds and see clearly that Allah made us all very different and we would understand things differently, which is how He 'tests' us in what we will 'see' in the verses. Islam is for mankind, but mankind is a group of individuals and not one of us is exactly the same as another human being, so how can we all think as a collective mass on everything?There are ground rules that we all agree on as a mass like murder anyway, it is wrong and no one can say it is right, although I'm sure there will be 'what about this verse', but basically it is agreed that murder is wrong. This is INBUILT in us at birth or before that we know right from wrong. But the spiritual/connection with our creator and anything that encompasses that is an individual thing. We cannot patch in our mate next to us on OUR OWN connection with Allah like we can do a 3 way phone conversation, it does not work like that if there is a connection at all. If not then its ritual that is surface anyway.
Leyna I think you need a Massage, you said you are tired.
Are you in Egypt? ???
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Ayisha
There are ground rules that we all agree on as a mass like murder anyway, it is wrong and no one can say it is right, although I'm sure there will be 'what about this verse', but basically it is agreed that murder is wrong. This is INBUILT in us at birth or before that we know right from wrong. But the spiritual/connection with our creator and anything that encompasses that is an individual thing. We cannot patch in our mate next to us on OUR OWN connection with Allah like we can do a 3 way phone conversation, it does not work like that if there is a connection at all. If not then its ritual that is surface anyway.
Now you start talking Philosophy laugh
Your whole post above clearly indicates that the verses are not clear to every on, if every one starts to has his own understanding result would be FREE-MInds rotfl.Yes it is my understanding that Allah said this, you are free to ignore that again if you wish. There are differences because they are using their minds and see clearly that Allah made us all very different and we would understand things differently, which is how He 'tests' us in what we will 'see' in the verses. Islam is for mankind, but mankind is a group of individuals and not one of us is exactly the same as another human being, so how can we all think as a collective mass on everything?
Why are you trying to prove that Allah did not said the truth? why? Practically it is not happening, it cannot until and unless you have some one to explain it to you who has authority from Allah to do so. That is what you said we all cannot think collectively.
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Way Finder in case you not read this post under the HEAP of posts by Ayisha
This is pure conjecture... The inscription is clearly written in ancient arabic therefore it was common to the arabs... Similar to the name Allah itself... Arabs knew all these... the problem was their focus... and association to these names... this is what Muhammad came to change and rectify. The name Ar-Rahman is even present is some pre-islamic poetry in sabaen. Moreover, the name was also very well known among the people of the Book. So just because one or two men seems to believe it otherwise does not change this fact. From the inscription itself... It suggests that Ar-Rahman was even a deity in the pre-islamic arabia since the writing has been made in the name of Ar-Rahman.
So spare us with bogus claims and conjecture.
Conjecture? are you sure it is Conjecture? You are proving that despite being well versed in Arabic You have no understanding of Quran
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And when it is said unto them Prostrate to al-Rahmn! they say And what is al-Rahmn? Are we to prostrate to whatever thou biddest us? And it increaseth aversion in them.
Will you not believe then?
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Now you start talking Philosophy laugh
Strange concept for you I know RajYour whole post above clearly indicates that the verses are not clear to every on, if every one starts to has his own understanding result would be FREE-MInds rotfl.
another strange concept for you Raj? Typical of those reactions spoken of in Quran too, how strangeYes it is my understanding that Allah said this, you are free to ignore that again if you wish. There are differences because they are using their minds and see clearly that Allah made us all very different and we would understand things differently, which is how He 'tests' us in what we will 'see' in the verses. Islam is for mankind, but mankind is a group of individuals and not one of us is exactly the same as another human being, so how can we all think as a collective mass on everything?
Why are you trying to prove that Allah did not said the truth? why?
What a strange thing to say! Allah says it is for Him to explain and that is my understanding yes, do you disagree? So how in your mind could you possibly have twisted that to mean I am trying to "prove that Allah did not said the truth"
Practically it is not happening, it cannot until and unless you have some one to explain it to you who has authority from Allah to do so. That is what you said we all cannot think collectively.
so who would that be? Who NOW has 'authority from Allah' to explain it to us? Either you think there are those here NOW that have authority from Allah to explain it to us OR you mean Muhammed, who is NOT HERE and we are back to my question, where are the explanations Raj? Because if what you say is true and we cannot use the book as we cannot understand it without someone with authority from Allah to explain it then we really are stuffed arent we.
I knew that my previous post would go right over your head.
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Guest, Yoo Hoo! yay
How do you do # 4?
I asked about #4 though, this was not #4
so, how about #4
Why are you not answering #4?
56 - O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), you shall (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles. If you were unclean due to sexual orgasm, you shall bathe. If you are ill, or traveling, or had any digestive excretion (urinary, fecal, or gas), or had (sexual) contact with the women, and you cannot find water, you shall observe the dry ablution (Tayammum) by touching clean dry soil, then rubbing your faces and hands. GOD does not wish to make the religion difficult for you; He wishes to cleanse you and to perfect His blessing upon you, that you may be appreciative.
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Peace Ayisha,
Here is some example of correct understanding of verses
- Preservation five daily salat time, way to conduct them, ?.
- Ramadan ~30 days fasting, breakfast right after sunset,?..
- Hajj when to perform them and how
- Pre-wash for salat
- Salat during war
- And many more
The correct understanding has been preserved for us. We do them just the way Prophet Muhammad did them.
How do you do # 4?
56 - O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), you shall (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles. If you were unclean due to sexual orgasm, you shall bathe. If you are ill, or traveling, or had any digestive excretion (urinary, fecal, or gas), or had (sexual) contact with the women, and you cannot find water, you shall observe the dry ablution (Tayammum) by touching clean dry soil, then rubbing your faces and hands. GOD does not wish to make the religion difficult for you; He wishes to cleanse you and to perfect His blessing upon you, that you may be appreciative.
so how is that NOT understood and fully explained IN the verse?
I asked how YOU do it, considering you said the verses are not 'correctly understood' and that the 'correct understanding' has been preserved for us and that is the way Muhammed did it.
Now, how do YOU do it?
I will add, how many times do you wash your arms to the elbow and which arm first? is there a specific ORDER to do this in? How many times do you wash each foot to the ankle or is putting your foot under a running tap enough? Do you do anything ELSE?
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What a completely illogical and twisted statement and assumption that what you follow WAS what the prophet followed when CLEARLY he followed Quran to the letter. ???
Your claim is Prophet Muhammad followed Quran to the letter AND you follow Quran to the letter.
Therefore, your way is equal to the Prophet Muhammad's way.
NO, NO, NO!!!!!! WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!!!
Prophet Muhammad used his wisdom to follow the Quran AND you use your wisdom (mostly NIL) to follow the Quran.
Thus your way is not the same as Prophet's way.
Prophet Muhammad prayed five times a day and you pray 0-whatever numbers a day.
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Your claim is Prophet Muhammad followed Quran to the letter AND you follow Quran to the letter.
Therefore, your way is equal to the Prophet Muhammad's way.
It is not possible for Ayisha, or anyone else for that matter, to follow the Qur'an in exactly the same way Muhammad did. Neither is it desirable. We live in a different time, different culture, different circumstances, so it would not make sense to implement the wisdom of the Qur'an in exactly the same way a prophet in the seventh century in the Arabian desert did.
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Peace,
Prophet Muhammad prayed five times a day
How do you know this?
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Peace,
How do you know this?
Prophet Muhammad reestablished the correct salat on earth and it is being preserved ever since. Just like Quran is. No way no how the salat structure can be tampered with. Perform a what if analysis and find the result for yourself.
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Prophet Muhammad reestablished the correct salat on earth and it is being preserved ever since. Just like Quran is. No way no how the salat structure can be tampered with. Perform a what if analysis and find the result for yourself.
I'm in process, the same with any subject matter (e.g. inheritance, fasting, timings, etc.);
Take it then you follow opinion/s handed down from a particular clergy of long ago and not careful Qur'an study? -
Your claim is Prophet Muhammad followed Quran to the letter AND you follow Quran to the letter.
Therefore, your way is equal to the Prophet Muhammad's way.
NO, NO, NO!!!!!! WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!!!
Prophet Muhammad used his wisdom to follow the Quran AND you use your wisdom (mostly NIL) to follow the Quran.
I had the Wisdom to know you couldnt answer the question I asked and I had the wisdom to know WHY you still refuse to answer and have now turned to insults. How can you be so sure I am not doing it the same as the prophets did? You dont even know HOW I do any of it, you have based all your insuts on assumptions.Thus your way is not the same as Prophet's way.
Prophet Muhammad prayed five times a day and you pray 0-whatever numbers a day.
How do you KNOW any of this? how do you KNOW how many times he prayed and how many I pray?
Please tell us how you do wudu, not what Quran says because you seem to think thats not enough and was 'explained' byt the prophet to ADD things to it, which you probably follow as you think this has all been 'reestablished' and 'corrected'. Lets see how many pages and asks till I get an answer to this.