Is Prophet Muhammad?s duty to deliver Quran only?: No
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Ayisha
There are ground rules that we all agree on as a mass like murder anyway, it is wrong and no one can say it is right, although I'm sure there will be 'what about this verse', but basically it is agreed that murder is wrong. This is INBUILT in us at birth or before that we know right from wrong. But the spiritual/connection with our creator and anything that encompasses that is an individual thing. We cannot patch in our mate next to us on OUR OWN connection with Allah like we can do a 3 way phone conversation, it does not work like that if there is a connection at all. If not then its ritual that is surface anyway.
Now you start talking Philosophy laugh
Your whole post above clearly indicates that the verses are not clear to every on, if every one starts to has his own understanding result would be FREE-MInds rotfl.Yes it is my understanding that Allah said this, you are free to ignore that again if you wish. There are differences because they are using their minds and see clearly that Allah made us all very different and we would understand things differently, which is how He 'tests' us in what we will 'see' in the verses. Islam is for mankind, but mankind is a group of individuals and not one of us is exactly the same as another human being, so how can we all think as a collective mass on everything?
Why are you trying to prove that Allah did not said the truth? why? Practically it is not happening, it cannot until and unless you have some one to explain it to you who has authority from Allah to do so. That is what you said we all cannot think collectively.
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Way Finder in case you not read this post under the HEAP of posts by Ayisha
This is pure conjecture... The inscription is clearly written in ancient arabic therefore it was common to the arabs... Similar to the name Allah itself... Arabs knew all these... the problem was their focus... and association to these names... this is what Muhammad came to change and rectify. The name Ar-Rahman is even present is some pre-islamic poetry in sabaen. Moreover, the name was also very well known among the people of the Book. So just because one or two men seems to believe it otherwise does not change this fact. From the inscription itself... It suggests that Ar-Rahman was even a deity in the pre-islamic arabia since the writing has been made in the name of Ar-Rahman.
So spare us with bogus claims and conjecture.
Conjecture? are you sure it is Conjecture? You are proving that despite being well versed in Arabic You have no understanding of Quran
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And when it is said unto them Prostrate to al-Rahmn! they say And what is al-Rahmn? Are we to prostrate to whatever thou biddest us? And it increaseth aversion in them.
Will you not believe then?
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Now you start talking Philosophy laugh
Strange concept for you I know RajYour whole post above clearly indicates that the verses are not clear to every on, if every one starts to has his own understanding result would be FREE-MInds rotfl.
another strange concept for you Raj? Typical of those reactions spoken of in Quran too, how strangeYes it is my understanding that Allah said this, you are free to ignore that again if you wish. There are differences because they are using their minds and see clearly that Allah made us all very different and we would understand things differently, which is how He 'tests' us in what we will 'see' in the verses. Islam is for mankind, but mankind is a group of individuals and not one of us is exactly the same as another human being, so how can we all think as a collective mass on everything?
Why are you trying to prove that Allah did not said the truth? why?
What a strange thing to say! Allah says it is for Him to explain and that is my understanding yes, do you disagree? So how in your mind could you possibly have twisted that to mean I am trying to "prove that Allah did not said the truth"
Practically it is not happening, it cannot until and unless you have some one to explain it to you who has authority from Allah to do so. That is what you said we all cannot think collectively.
so who would that be? Who NOW has 'authority from Allah' to explain it to us? Either you think there are those here NOW that have authority from Allah to explain it to us OR you mean Muhammed, who is NOT HERE and we are back to my question, where are the explanations Raj? Because if what you say is true and we cannot use the book as we cannot understand it without someone with authority from Allah to explain it then we really are stuffed arent we.
I knew that my previous post would go right over your head.
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Guest, Yoo Hoo! yay
How do you do # 4?
I asked about #4 though, this was not #4
so, how about #4
Why are you not answering #4?
56 - O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), you shall (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles. If you were unclean due to sexual orgasm, you shall bathe. If you are ill, or traveling, or had any digestive excretion (urinary, fecal, or gas), or had (sexual) contact with the women, and you cannot find water, you shall observe the dry ablution (Tayammum) by touching clean dry soil, then rubbing your faces and hands. GOD does not wish to make the religion difficult for you; He wishes to cleanse you and to perfect His blessing upon you, that you may be appreciative.
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Peace Ayisha,
Here is some example of correct understanding of verses
- Preservation five daily salat time, way to conduct them, ?.
- Ramadan ~30 days fasting, breakfast right after sunset,?..
- Hajj when to perform them and how
- Pre-wash for salat
- Salat during war
- And many more
The correct understanding has been preserved for us. We do them just the way Prophet Muhammad did them.
How do you do # 4?
56 - O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), you shall (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles. If you were unclean due to sexual orgasm, you shall bathe. If you are ill, or traveling, or had any digestive excretion (urinary, fecal, or gas), or had (sexual) contact with the women, and you cannot find water, you shall observe the dry ablution (Tayammum) by touching clean dry soil, then rubbing your faces and hands. GOD does not wish to make the religion difficult for you; He wishes to cleanse you and to perfect His blessing upon you, that you may be appreciative.
so how is that NOT understood and fully explained IN the verse?
I asked how YOU do it, considering you said the verses are not 'correctly understood' and that the 'correct understanding' has been preserved for us and that is the way Muhammed did it.
Now, how do YOU do it?
I will add, how many times do you wash your arms to the elbow and which arm first? is there a specific ORDER to do this in? How many times do you wash each foot to the ankle or is putting your foot under a running tap enough? Do you do anything ELSE?
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What a completely illogical and twisted statement and assumption that what you follow WAS what the prophet followed when CLEARLY he followed Quran to the letter. ???
Your claim is Prophet Muhammad followed Quran to the letter AND you follow Quran to the letter.
Therefore, your way is equal to the Prophet Muhammad's way.
NO, NO, NO!!!!!! WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!!!
Prophet Muhammad used his wisdom to follow the Quran AND you use your wisdom (mostly NIL) to follow the Quran.
Thus your way is not the same as Prophet's way.
Prophet Muhammad prayed five times a day and you pray 0-whatever numbers a day.
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Your claim is Prophet Muhammad followed Quran to the letter AND you follow Quran to the letter.
Therefore, your way is equal to the Prophet Muhammad's way.
It is not possible for Ayisha, or anyone else for that matter, to follow the Qur'an in exactly the same way Muhammad did. Neither is it desirable. We live in a different time, different culture, different circumstances, so it would not make sense to implement the wisdom of the Qur'an in exactly the same way a prophet in the seventh century in the Arabian desert did.
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Peace,
Prophet Muhammad prayed five times a day
How do you know this?
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Peace,
How do you know this?
Prophet Muhammad reestablished the correct salat on earth and it is being preserved ever since. Just like Quran is. No way no how the salat structure can be tampered with. Perform a what if analysis and find the result for yourself.
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Prophet Muhammad reestablished the correct salat on earth and it is being preserved ever since. Just like Quran is. No way no how the salat structure can be tampered with. Perform a what if analysis and find the result for yourself.
I'm in process, the same with any subject matter (e.g. inheritance, fasting, timings, etc.);
Take it then you follow opinion/s handed down from a particular clergy of long ago and not careful Qur'an study? -
Your claim is Prophet Muhammad followed Quran to the letter AND you follow Quran to the letter.
Therefore, your way is equal to the Prophet Muhammad's way.
NO, NO, NO!!!!!! WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!!!
Prophet Muhammad used his wisdom to follow the Quran AND you use your wisdom (mostly NIL) to follow the Quran.
I had the Wisdom to know you couldnt answer the question I asked and I had the wisdom to know WHY you still refuse to answer and have now turned to insults. How can you be so sure I am not doing it the same as the prophets did? You dont even know HOW I do any of it, you have based all your insuts on assumptions.Thus your way is not the same as Prophet's way.
Prophet Muhammad prayed five times a day and you pray 0-whatever numbers a day.
How do you KNOW any of this? how do you KNOW how many times he prayed and how many I pray?
Please tell us how you do wudu, not what Quran says because you seem to think thats not enough and was 'explained' byt the prophet to ADD things to it, which you probably follow as you think this has all been 'reestablished' and 'corrected'. Lets see how many pages and asks till I get an answer to this.
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WAy FInder
Hope you are feeling well!. Waiting for your reply.noon d Plume
Prophet Muhammad prayed five times a day
How do you know this?from, history, from Hadith, transfer from generation to generation.
I will be more than glad to know; HOW do you say that he did not prayed Five times a day?
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WAy FInder
Hope you are feeling well!. Waiting for your reply.noon d Plume
Prophet Muhammad prayed five times a day
How do you know this?from, history, from Hadith, transfer from generation to generation.
I will be more than glad to know; HOW do you say that he did not prayed Five times a day?
Even a single Aayt from Quran will suffice.The same sahih hadith that say solomon slept with all 60 of his wives, all 70 of his wives, all 80 of his wives, all 99 (or 100) of his wives transmitted by the same person but 4 different numbers? If the sahih hadith manage to stuff that up what makes you so sure they got how many times muhammed prays a day right? The same sahih hadith that give 3 different numbers for how many times to wash your arms? Do you pick a number from these and decide its 'fact'?
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ayisha
The same sahih hadith that say solomon slept with all 60 of his wives, all 70 of his wives, all 80 of his wives, all 99 (or 100) of his wives transmitted by the same person but 4 different numbers? If the sahih hadith manage to stuff that up what makes you so sure they got how many times muhammed prays a day right? The same sahih hadith that give 3 different numbers for how many times to wash your arms? Do you pick a number from these and decide its 'fact'?
It should be Muhammad with capital M. >( and Solomon with capital S.
Are you Noon de Plume? let him answer.
This is something that is above your comprehension, it is not that you are not intelligent -\ but it is your prejudice about Muhammad peace is upon him.
What does Solomon and his wife have to do with Muhammad peace is upon him and prayers? We shall first understand the meaning of Hadith and its usage before commenting on it. -
ayisha
It should be Muhammad with capital M. > and Solomon with capital S.
Are you Noon de Plume? let him answer.Anyone can answer a post Raj
This is something that is above your comprehension, it is not that you are not intelligent -\ but it is your prejudice about Muhammad peace is upon him.
I have absolutely NO prejudice against Muhammed, I have a great deal more respect for him than you do so much so that I do not attribute to a Prophet of God the obscene and rediculous rubbish in hadith which revert him to some type of fool. This you are quite happy to follow and truely believe a Prophet of God could have said these things.
What does Solomon and his wife have to do with Muhammad peace is upon him and prayers?
You skimmed my post? couldnt understand my post? what on earth made you think it was anything about Solomon and his wife? Maybe you are unaware of the Sahih Hadith i am referring to by Abu Hurairah?? It was the numbers Raj. Same story, same transmitter, 4 different numbers all in Sahih Bukhari so how can they all be right? = how can any referring to prayers of the Prophet be right?
We shall first understand the meaning of Hadith and its usage before commenting on it.
yes, when you have studied and understand that, let me know.
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Ayisha
I have absolutely NO prejudice against Muhammed, I have a great deal more respect for him than you do so much so that I do not attribute to a Prophet of God the obscene and rediculous rubbish in hadith which revert him to some type of fool. This you are quite happy to follow and truely believe a Prophet of God could have said these things.
Why you keep on assuming? I do not follow Hadith.
Ayisha
Abu Hurairah?
Who is he? father of cats??
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Ayisha
This you are quite happy to follow and truely believe a Prophet of God could have said these things.Why you keep on assuming? I do not follow Hadith.
Prophet Muhammad prayed five times a day
How do you know this?from, history, from Hadith, transfer from generation to generation.
really? did you mean to say something else there?
still waiting for an answer to 'where are the explanations' to the verses too. ;D