9/11 Burning Of Quran Must Go On!
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Smileys at the start and at the end of your quote does not make it funny at all.
I wasn't trying to make it funny, I was showing how funny I thought it was to call Alen an extremistSome one who calls other Muslims a Kaffir is an extremist period.
that would include you and mazhar then peace
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Smileys at the start and at the end of your quote does not make it funny at all.
Some one who calls other Muslims a Kaffir is an extremist period.
Then you should also agree that Sunni and Shia (so-called) muslims who call Quran only muslims kaffirs for rejecting all hadith outside the Quran as commanded by GOD repeatedly in the Quran, are themselves extremists.
Peace,
Respect.Brother, God knows best, I believe you and I totally understand what you're saying.
I see where you're coming from and I agree with you, honestly, God knows best.However, let me quote Qur'an.
7310 And be patient over what they say, and depart from them in a good manner.
4134 Not equal are the good and the bad response. You shall resort to the one which is better. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.
2946 And do not argue with the people of the Book except in that which is better; except for those who are wicked among them; and say We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is the same; to Him we submit.
1753 And say to My servants to speak that which is best. The devil makes bitterness between them. The devil is to man a clear enemy.
16125 Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in that which is better. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.I know.
I know that 9/11 was an inside job and I know that US troops hvae caused things that Americans are not proud of.
God knows best.
I also know that we could easily return fire in the same exact way. I could also take certain parts from the Old Testament as well as from the New Testament and present them like Theo van Gogh presented Qur'an and Islam and muslims in Submission.Will I?
Should I?
Would it be wise that I go ahead with my stunt?
Why do you think that I keep postponing my movies about Islam?
I'm afraid of the reaction that my message might have out there and believe it or not, I don't wanna provoke anyone nor make anyone angry or God forbid someone issue a fatwa against me. I don't wanna live in hiding. Therefore, I'm not afraid of challenge. Therefore, I will learn Arabic, God willing, inshaAllah and then I will "fight" sunnis and shias regarding sunnah and hadeeth and considering the fact that I'm reading The Bible these past few months, I'll be ready, God willing.I could easily quote this in a quick, youtube video in a Theo van Gogh style
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 1712 NLT)
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 2013 NAB)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 2220-21 NAB)
Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 124-32 NLT)
Should I be imitating a bad example?
486 And if you are greeted with a greeting, then return an even better greeting or return the same. God is Reckoning over all things.
494 O you who believe, if you go forth in the cause of God, you shall investigate carefully. And do not say to those who greet you with peace You are not a believer! You are seeking the vanity of this world; but with God are many riches. That is how you were before, but God graced you, so investigate carefully. God is expert over what you do.
Do you see my point?
It's easy and from my point of view wrong to simply imitate pastor Jones.
I'd say it would be wiser and better - God knows best - to show a better example.
I know it's hard and I'm not perfect and I also have failed in some tests but may God forgive me.
I hope and I pray that God will forgive me my shortcomings and forgive me my sins. May God increase me in knowledge.
I hope that christians will understand that what I quoted here from The Bible, is not from The Bible. I'll explain under proper thread, God willing.God bless you,
Peace.You would only be imitating the idiot pastor jones by burning copies of the bible which I had already mentioned on a previous post would be stupid and pointless becuase how could we show people all the "bad bits" of the Bible like the verses you quoted.
I completley understand what you say about not wanting to provoke a reaction from people but there comes a time where we have to confront lies with the truth which the Quran also tells to do, regardless of what the reaction will be.
Muhammed and all the prophets of the Quran faced anger, hostility, persecution and even death all becuase they peace preached the TRUTH, and they were just as afraid of being killed, death threats and having to go into hiding, but that did not stop them preaching the truth, why because above all else they feared GOD more and the Quran also tells us to fear GOD and not man.
It also came to a point where the meccan muslims had no choice but to defend themselves physically becuase the people who were persecuting them would not allow them to live and practice their faith in peace and whilst we NEVER have the right to be agressors, we have the GOD given right to defend ourselves preferably verbally but if need be physically too.
Well, Well , Well, it seems that news of the pastor calling off his Quran burning stunt did not reach this Islamaphobic idiot in the link below  
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRcUdruhgyw&skipcontrinter=1
Do you see my point?
Becuase of all the publicity that this stupid stunt by the idiot pastor jones has given him and the fact that he now says that him and his demented congregation will not go through with, it has given other stupid people the idea to go through with it anyway becuase they feel that "poor hard done by white man" Mr Jones had been put under unfair pressure by the "leftist" media, supposedley denying the white christians freedom of speech whilst supposedly giving the "A-rabs and musss-lims" freedom of speech.Thanks to the media that jones had gotten this stupid stunt was always going to happen whether or not Jones himself went through with it or not.
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Then you should also agree that Sunni and Shia (so-called) muslims who call Quran only muslims kaffirs for rejecting all hadith outside the Quran as commanded by GOD repeatedly in the Quran, are themselves extremists.
There is nothing to agree or disagree here.
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Alen, with all due respect I don't agree with your position that sunni's and shia's are non-muslims. just as there are differect sects - catholic, russian orthodox, baptist, etc christians and hasidic, ultraorthodox, liberal jews, well you have the sunnis, shia's, etc who differ on interpretations of the koran following their own scholars. so, muslims are no different than christians and jews in this regard.
There are basic tenets that define us as Muslim or Christian. I wish people would stick to appropriate well established labels. Anything less always smells deceptive to me.
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speakingof muslims..the BASIC tenanta are belief in One God and good deeds. i dont think shias and sunnis are non muslims..im no one to comment on that coz only God knows wats in the hearts of all people, but i do believe that shias who bow down to graves of members of the prophets family and think tht they hv super human powers given to them by God to solve their issues fr them is shirk and leads to (if not IS) non belief...i also think that sunnis who sing praises and pray to dead people to do stuff fr them is also shirk.
with christianity, im still studying the bible so it wud be premature to come up with answer as to wat the basic tenants of it wud be
peace
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Peace,
Respect.Only God knows what will happen if and when someone burns The Qur'an.
Last tiem this fella Rashad wanted to delete couple of verses and ended up pretty badly, yes?
I'd say it's not wise to play with The Book of God. Glory be to God.I'll stick to the topic, inshaAllah but I'll speak about differences regarding muslims, sunnis and shias and jewish, christians, buddists, hindus, atheists and agnostics on the other topic, relevant to it, okay? I've just returned from Speaker's Corner, Hyde Park and exchanged some words with sunnis regarding sunnah and hadeeth, one sunnis said I should be killed but never mind, then I observed a conversation between teenagers sunnis and shias, guys and girls regarding Ali and how or what he is or isn't and finally one sunni actually challeneged me for the meeting next sunday to provide evidence from The Qur'an where and how do we pray, since I told him that sunnah and hadeeth are not from messenger/prophet Muhammad but from Bukhary, Muslims, Dawood, Abu Baqr and so on.
Regarding the 9/11 issue.
Most people know that it was different then 7/7 bombings of thsoe buses in London. Unlike 7/7, 9/11 was an inside job and we all know that, that is a fact. Even Americans know and amdit that Bush lied and he lied a lot. He looked the world in the eyes and told them so many lies. May God gudie us all The Straight Path and increase us in knowledge. InshAllah.Regrading the burning of The Qur'an.
They have done worse things to The Book in Guantanamo Jail, yes? Would you agree to this? We have already witnessed what has been done to Qur'an. I witness every sunday, almost, what non-muslims say about Qur'an, Islam and muslims. If I had a cmarea, I'd bring evidence but maybe later, God willing.
nevertheless, someone will burn The Qur'an and then some sunni will react. God forbid should another expalosion happen but we all know that there is something called cause and effect.Theo van Gogh insulted Islam, Qur'an and muslims with his 10-minute movie Submission and eneded up cold on the streets with sopme lead and couple of knives in his chest.
Salman Rushide got honored and a special title for mocking Allah's words on TV. His address is 1 Fear Avenue, London, UK.
Jyllands-Posten showed how they view prophet/messenger Mohammad and that also did not end well.
Rashad Khalifa deleted two verses and came up with his appendix and ended up dead - unlike these other - in his own mosque.
Geert Wilders is next.
There seems to be emerging a pattern, yes?Whoever plays with God's words, mocks them, presents them wrongly or wants to fool God, ends up dead or dying of fear or worse, living in fear.
Therefore, whatever happens, if and when they burn The Qur'an, God forbid, they will get a reaction. Not from me but someone who is already angry 99.99 percent and needs that little drop to explode. Literally.Keep in mind,t hat plenty of sunnis burn American flags, forgetting that there are American muslims, that there are Americns who are in the process of accepting Islam, Americans who do not accept Islam but respect muslims and our Faith, Americans who are against invading Middle East. They should never be so hypocritical. Instead of buying a flag and a ligter, they should rather buy food and clothes and medicine, since they lack that and not anger.
Therefore, we should all do what benefits Islam right now let each one of us make contact with one non-muslim and see what we dis/agree on. For example on another forum (Islam forum topix) I asked what are the first things that come to your mind regarding Islam? Most people who answered, asked about beating women, is it true? They were referring to 434.
They shouldn't burn The Qur'an and we shouldn't burn The Bible.
On the contrary we should sit down, both of us, muslims and christians and discuss the only thing that separates us - trinity and crucifixion. This is the only thing that we disagree on with non-muslims, all other things are the same, God knows best.
Sorry for writing so long but I just came from long discussion and sunnis that I met and spoken to, have challeneged me to find for them where does Allah SWT say in The Qur'an how to pray. Gotta stay patient.
God bless you, sisters,brothers,
Peace. -
Ayisha
and they call those who follow Quran only non muslims, so everybody'appears to be extremist then
Not All Shias and Sunnis call so called Quranists as Non Muslims, so you cannot call all of them Extremists, but Alen is an individual who calls other Muslims, NON MUSLIMS therefore he is an Extremist for sure. I think it is difficult for a lady like you to understand, who thinks each and every thing written by Rajah is to be countered, no matter how silly you appear.
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Salam
Theo van Gogh insulted Islam, Qur'an and muslims with his 10-minute movie Submission and eneded up cold on the streets with sopme lead and couple of knives in his chest.
Salman Rushide got honored and a special title for mocking Allah's words on TV. His address is 1 Fear Avenue, London, UK.
Jyllands-Posten showed how they view prophet/messenger Mohammad and that also did not end well.
Rashad Khalifa deleted two verses and came up with his appendix and ended up dead - unlike these other - in his own mosque.
Geert Wilders is next.There seems to be emerging a pattern, yes?
Indeed. The pattern is that crazy extremists who call themselves Muslims freak out and kill people whenever they feel their religion is being insulted.
Sad and frightening. http//www.imagebanana.com/img/q6owvuis/033102bad_1_prv.gif
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George
Alen is an extremist because he calls Sunni and Shias NON MUSLIMS, do you understand that brother.No I dont understand how Alen is an extremist by calling Sunni and Shias non muslims when it is they who (by the very fact that they call themselves Sunni and Shia) have disobeyed what GOD says in the Quran by dividing themselves into sects and it is they who have disobeyed GOD in the Quran by following hadiths outside the Quran and not Alen ???
7/7 was also an inside job
peace
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Ayisha
Not All Shias and Sunnis call so called Quranists as Non Muslims, so you cannot call all of them Extremists, but Alen is an individual who calls other Muslims, NON MUSLIMS therefore he is an Extremist for sure. I think it is difficult for a lady like you to understand, who thinks each and every thing written by Rajah is to be countered, no matter how silly you appear.This shows your typical mind set.
sunni call shia non muslim, as individuals and as a group they do this, therefore sunni are all extremists by your logic
Sunni call those who follow Quran only non muslims, sunni say Islam is Quran AND sunnah of Muhammed and as the 'majority' agree on this Islam from Allah has changed to Islam from Allah AND Bukhari
A Muslim follows Allah and what Allah said in His Book, the name Quranist is a label given by those that follow Bukhari and Quran, in that order, to those that follow Quran only and used actually as an insult.
One who follows Allah alone is a Muslim, not a Quranist
One who follows Allah and bukhari is a sunni muslimDid Allah mention anywhere about 'sunni' muslims or wahabi muslims or salafi muslims or shia muslims? Yes He did, He said DO NOT split this. Did He mention following hadith? Yes He did, he said THIS Hadith is the best Hadith and what other do you need AFTER this. Did He mention following a sunnah? Yes He did, sunnat Allah.
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Ayisha
This shows your typical mind set.
sunni call shia non muslim, as individuals and as a group they do this, therefore sunni are all extremists by your logicSunni call those who follow Quran only non muslims, sunni say Islam is Quran AND sunnah of Muhammed and as the 'majority' agree on this Islam from Allah has changed to Islam from Allah AND Bukhari
A Muslim follows Allah and what Allah said in His Book, the name Quranist is a label given by those that follow Bukhari and Quran, in that order, to those that follow Quran only and used actually as an insult.
One who follows Allah alone is a Muslim, not a Quranist
One who follows Allah and bukhari is a sunni muslimDid Allah mention anywhere about 'sunni' muslims or wahabi muslims or salafi muslims or shia muslims? Yes He did, He said DO NOT split this. Did He mention following hadith? Yes He did, he said THIS Hadith is the best Hadith and what other do you need AFTER this. Did He mention following a sunnah? Yes He did, sunnat Allah.
I know reality bites, but Alen or any one who calls other Muslim a Kaffir is an extremist.
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Ayisha
I know reality bites, but Alen or any one who calls other Muslim a Kaffir is an extremist.I agree with Rajaah, Alen is very extreme in his words
Sunnis and Shias may not be follow the core of Islam, the Quran attentively, and instead favour innovations of traditions. But they're still partly muslims, just not completely on the straight path, just as a Quranist may not understand salat, so he is not perfect. We all have our faults.
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Peace be upon you,
with all due Respect.@Raaajah.
Sunnis that I have met and keep meeting here and now, keep telling me that I am a kaffir, that I should be killed, that I am a liar, that I will end up in HellFire.
Now, I don't mind when they have an opinion about me, I'm always curious and love meeting new people and making ne wfriendships, Thank God. However, I don't like when sunnis make threats to end my life or tell me that they know who will end up in HellFire.First of all nowhere in The Qur'an, did I read about sunnis or sunni muslims, shias or shia muslims or wahabis or salafis or malikis or ahmadiyyas or something similar. I did hear about submitters, believers, nonbelievers and rejecters and so on. God knows best, Glory be to God.
Second If you heard what I heard yesterday at the Speaker's Corner where muslims, sunnis and christians meet every sunday to discuss what they believe and invite people into their belief system, you would not be only amazed - you would purchase a ticket to Venezuela and stay there until 2029.
Yesterday - Jamal is my witness - one sunni was inviting people to sunnism and called it Islam but he was doing it in such way, that you I saw only one thing not a man who is inviting non-muslims to Islam, but a person who wants to have more muslims or sunnis in his way of performing salah and more sunnis who will have beards and wear white robes and more women dressed in niqabs.
This man was interested only in numbers and not in Truth or quality of Faith. No one spoek to him. But for some reason he kept coming to me, asked me where in The Qur'an did Allah SWY say how much charity to give and when I told him about 2215, 219 and 6141, he kept asking where and how much. I repeated several more times the mentioned verses and even read them to him and showed them and he kept asking where and how much. I showed it to him and then he read it out loud and out of his mouth came this"Allah explains" and then he looked at me and said where?He became angry, walked away and later I heard him that I should be killed. There were some cops there due to high numbers of the visitors but nothing evil happened, Thank God. Unlike few sundays ago when cops came and took a man for shouting something in Arabic.
Third the sunnis I met cannot go by The Qur'an alone. They have assured me that I will never understand The Qur'an without prophet Mohammad explainging it to me, guess where? Yes, "prophet's sunnah and hadeeth". Keep in mind that even though they send peace and blessings upon Mohammad and only upon Mohammad, they send it very fast, like it matters very little.
I am a writer and could write easily 100 pages regarding this matter but won't.
I didn't call muslims kaffiroon.
I didn't call a muslim a kaffir.
I can't. If I did, can you provide evidence, please?I don't even hate nor call names, people who follow Rashad Khalifa and code19.
Why?
Because former followeras of RK and code19 is once again A Real, True Muslim.
He also introduced me to another Muslim, Thank God.What if these sunnis that I meet, tomorrow or after some years, become muslims?
I use to be a sunni but then I started thinking outside the box, remember?
I cloned sunnis but then I stopped and now I have Guidance.Be aware of God.
Peace.