9/11 Burning Of Quran Must Go On!
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with all humility i wud just like to say please let it go..this argument isnt going anywhere..our energies wud be much better spent doing sthing else rather than name calling and trying to prove a point when its obvious the argument isnt progressing through logic and reason but rather personal insults.
peace
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with all humility i wud just like to say please let it go..this argument isnt going anywhere..our energies wud be much better spent doing sthing else rather than name calling and trying to prove a point when its obvious the argument isnt progressing through logic and reason but rather personal insults.
peace
I tried the logical and reasonable approach as in providing evidence for the things a say but only to have them dismissed as "propagating anti-islamic websites" or "not understanding what hadith means" even though I had given him answers or calling me of being a "half baked quranist" but yet not willing to give proper answers to peoples questions.
Your right, i'ts a waste of time trying reason and having to repeat myself with an idiotic hadith follower who can't back up what he says or what he accuses people of and when asked to starts name calling, therefore prompting me to defend myself and then starts acting like you were the one who caused the argument.
If he does'nt want an argument then he should'nt start one especially when what he is arguing about is completey offtopic from the thread that HE started.
peace peace
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people will do that all the time... but a believer should never be instigated by sthing like that..its hard andnatural to want to defend urself, but dont let personal attacks deviate u frm ur purpose..its distracting and pointless...plus we are encouraged by Allah to reply to evil with gud, and we shud remember that always.
take the highroad and save urself a lot of pointless talk.
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george
I tried the logical and reasonable approach as in providing evidence for the things
and that approach was
george
idiot, idiotic, idiot, you idiot, asshadith, idiot, idiot, idiotic......
proves can be found on whole thread.
george
You still have'nt answered my question as to why if you the know the Quran in arabic and if as you say you can only undersdtand it by learning arabic, then how come you hadith follwers need the another book to understand the Quran or you rely on the interpretations of the Quran from hadith writers and not the Quran itself in the arabic you claim to be able to understand
Some people simply don't read.
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If you are trying to point it to me that I said Hadith book cannot be doubted then you have not read this or any other thread where I have discussed this subject.
This is common practice amongst average minded people of the world from beginning that they refer to some one who has invented/authored/narrated to them some thing new, for the first time. The Quran was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad peace is upon him, through him it was forwarded, he was the best person to explain the verses, he was also provided the Wisdom through which he decided in the daily to daily affairs within the frame work of Quran. If some one gets guide in his daily affairs from the Prophet's Sunna there is no harm in it, He no where said that if some one will not follow my Sunnah he will be not a Muslim.Prince
But hadith followers say they were not wrote down at the same time to avoid mixing up with the quran. But surely if hadith explains the quran like they say, then surely the explanation needs to be written down simultaenously to explain the revelation and to finalize the deen.
Rajah
I did not say that.
These sources are very important in understanding Quran, otherwise we will have confused people like so called Quranists. More and more scholars are realizing that the Message could be understood better if we know the History, the culture, the inscriptions of that time to ponder upon.he not only is one who does not understand, but who don't even bother to understand.
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Your right, i'ts a waste of time trying reason and having to repeat myself with an idiotic hadith follower
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george
and that approach wasMy quotes
"I have, and I have yet to find where Alen used the word "kuffir" anywhere in the thread."
"In terms of Sunni's and Shia's, who refer to hadith which as we all know on this forum have pretty extremist views on women,apostacy,forced conversion etc, the word "extremist" is rightly and not loosley applicable to them."
which you replied
george
You seem to me a half baked Quranist! can you please quote some of the Hadith you are mentioning?george
proves can be found on whole thread.That youre an idiot ??? yeah i agree.
georgeSome people simply don't read.
Nither do you otherwise you would'nt get Ayisha's qoute mixed up with mine rotfl
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george
Congratulations at last a post without word "Idiot" bravoTheres no need to now that you've agreed with me that you are one bravo bravo bravo rotfl
So it was my mistake then and now is the reality rotfl stop making fun out of yourself.
And the reality is you've just admitted to it being your mistake bravo bravo bravo
Congratulations thats two things we've agreed on bravo bravo rotfl
youre an idiot ??? yeah i agree.
Agree!
rotfl
stop making fun out of yourself.
By the mistake that you've admitted to, I think you're the one who should stop doing that rotfl
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prince
It does not look nice when some one talks big, and does not know the difference between Hikmah and Hadith compilation.
If you are trying to pint it to me that I said Hadith book cannot be doubted then you have not read this or any other thread where I have discussed this subject.hikmah=wisdom and im only stating the general rebuttals of hadith followers.
The Quran was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad peace is upon him, through him it was forwarded, he was the best person to explain the verses, he was also provided the Wisdom through which he decided in the daily to daily affairs within the frame work of Quran. If some one gets guide in his daily affairs from the Prophet's Sunna there is no harm in it, He no where said that if some one will not follow my Sunnah he will be not a Muslim.
Do you have any quranic proof that the Prophet Muhammed was the BEST person to explain the verses?
Is wisdom just restricted to messengers/prophet or can general people like us get wisdom too?
The Prophet Muhammed is not with us to follow his sunnah so your left with a dilemma of following a collection of books that contradicts itself and most importantly the quran.
More and more scholars are realizing that the Message could be understood better if we know the History, the culture, the inscriptions of that time to ponder upon.
Does it matter what the scholars say? Scholars are humans they make mistakes just like we do when we interpret the quran. Its absurd for anyone to suggest you have to be a scholar to understand the quran. Is the interpretation of the quran revealed exclusively to 'scholars'?
How can you interpret a book that is for all people i.e all cultures and for all times through history and culture it was revealed in?? This is an absurd claim simply being that the interpretations done WITHOUT historical and culture bias show the beauty and universal application of quran in the world.
Hadith book is an effort of different persons with all their sincerity at that time, they worked hard with all the best tools available at their times, off course those tools are not considered to be perfect or near to perfect by today's standards.
It is only that we can and we should use these tools to understand Quran in a better way. I hope you would have noted the LOOPHOLES AND IDIOCY in your above claims.I think you should take note of your own claims that I've highlighted in bold for you. I think you should reflect very hard on why you feel the need to justify a contradictory book that you want to use to interpret a self explanatory book hmm
peace
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Prince
Do you have any quranic proof that the Prophet Muhammed was the BEST person to explain the verses?
It is common sense the person to whom the verses were first revealed, he was chosen in Millions, who else can explain better then him, he had a contact with Allah the sender of Message.
Allah says in Quran
http//www.everyayah.com/data/images_png/2_151.pngSimilarly We have sent among you a Messenger of your own, reciting to you Our Verses and sanctifying you, and teaching you the Book and the Hikmah teaching you that which you used not to know.
Prince
How can you interpret a book that is for all people i.e all cultures and for all times through history and culture it was revealed in?? This is an absurd claim simply being that the interpretations done WITHOUT historical and culture bias show the beauty and universal application of quran in the world.
To make things beautiful people do plastic surgery. We will not allow that to happen with Quran. Facts are facts and will remain facts.
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Prince
Does it matter what the scholars say? Scholars are humans they make mistakes just like we do when we interpret the quran. Its absurd for anyone to suggest you have to be a scholar to understand the quran. Is the interpretation of the quran revealed exclusively to 'scholars'?
No assuming if you want to have a good discussion. No one said what you are trying to assume. Just read my post again, OK wait I will just copy it for you
Rajah
More and more scholars are realizing that the Message could be understood better if we know the History, the culture, the inscriptions of that time to ponder upon
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Prince
It is common sense the person to whom the verses were first revealed, he was chosen in Millions, who else can explain better then him, he had a contact with Allah the sender of Message.Thanks for proving my point that you don't have a verse proposing the fact that Prophet Muhammed was the BEST at explaining the quranic verses. There's a big difference between given the message to deliver and explaining the message. The Prophet Muhammed was a medium to reveal the message to mankind from God. There's nothing in the quran from what I've read to suggest he had the best explanation of verses. I've read that God Himself is the one who explains the verses to us
Do not move your tongue to hasten it. It is we who will collect it into Quran. Once we recite it, you shall follow such a Quran. Then it is we who will explain it.
Prince
To make things beautiful people do plastic surgery. We will not allow that to happen with Quran. Facts are facts and will remain facts.They maybe facts to you but you haven't shown any concrete evidence to your claims...just weak interpretations at best.
In regards to scholars it's irrelevant who says something...its what is being said that is important. peace