Quran only mistakes
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i'm a new poster here, but i've been lurking for a while
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i rarely (if ever) see Qur'anists judging Sunnis and Shias...let alone call them Khaffar, etc.
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more often, however, i see the reverse; the Sunnis (in particular) lashing out at Qur'anists.
it's sad on either side; we all have the same mission of worshipping Allah as He deserves to be worshipped.
Well put.
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Allaah says in the Holy Quraan
Say (O Prophet م "If you love Allaah then follow me, Allaah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allaah is Forgiving, Merciful." (331)
From this blessed Verse of the Holy Quraan, it is proven that true Believers are obligated to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet
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Allaah says in the Holy Quraan
Say (O Prophet م "If you love Allaah then follow me, Allaah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allaah is Forgiving, Merciful." (331)
From this blessed Verse of the Holy Quraan, it is proven that true Believers are obligated to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet
Salaam,
I know it is a waste of time trying to have a logical dialogue with you guys, i.e., the sectarians. Here I?ll try to answer your irrational interpretation of The Qur?aan, in order, not to get through you, but to others who read your posts.
The above verse of The Qur?aan you?ve quoted and all other similar verses commanding the believers to follow the messengers of GOD are all about the time when the messengers were alive and living, so the believers would be able to follow the tangible living messenger.
Now; can you tell me how am I to follow a dead messenger, especially after being dead for over 1400 years? Unless I actually die too, then I will truly be following him in his footsteps to his grave.
Verses 3531, 32 in The Qur?aan clearly inform us that we inherited nothing but The Qur?aan Alone for our religious guidance. The Prophet himself time and time again was commended to follow The Qur?aan only. See 650,106; 7203; 1015,109; 332; 4343; 499, and many more.
How in the world you sectarians dare to claim that the Prophet who is commanded repeatedly by GOD (SWT) not to follow anything but The Qur?aan, would expect his followers to follow extra Qur?aanic religious sources?
May GOD Almighty Guides us all in His straight path.
Peace,
Khalil -
Salam
loxbox, you will find a tiny % of people doing that here.
Indeed. Loxbox, I suggest you spend some time reading here before coming up with allegations like that. peace
I know it is a waste of time trying to have a logical dialogue with you guys, i.e., the sectarians.
Exactly.
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It says "follow me" not "follow my alleged sunnah as written by Bukhari et al".
bravo bravo YES!!!
I had to repeat that same thing over and over this morning in discussions with my darling husband over hadith/sunnah/Quran.
It's hard to argue when you disagree on the basics. I have come to see that when Quran says follow the messenger, that it means as you just said - follow the Quran - NOT all the other stuff that was written later and Prophet Muhammad did not know about or wasn't around to stop.
But if the person won't give up on that reading of it, then it's hard to move on.
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This morning I was directed to a site (http//www.alheweny.org) to get ''better'' information on hadith and why we should listen to it lol.
While there I found this http//www.alheweny.org/english/play.php?catsmktba=16
I was pretty shocked by the first statement "In reality, such is a misnomer, for the primary objective of such groups is not to follow only the Qur?an & to nullify the Sunnah (the acts & sayings of Prophet Muhammad); but their terminal aim is to abolish the Qur'an itself."
They want to abolish Quran? That doesn't make sense at all. Why would a Quran only group want to abolish Quran? So they could follow nothing? ???
It sounds like the whole post begins with outright rubbish, but just to be sure can anyone tell me whether "Quranists" mentioned there is referring to a particular group, or just generally Quran only followers? Maybe it's a particular strange group who really do want to abolish Quran?? o Though like I said, it seems more likely that the writer is talking rubbish.
The post then goes on to say
"they discard all the Sunnah except for a few sayings of the Prophet (discarding them would prove detrimental to their case), as the ones that contain essential information on the details of daily prayers."
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"If we look in the Book for the details of forbidden & permissible flesh to eat we will not find them."
Well, that is funny, I found them easily (well, thank you to Wakas I think it was, who posted them for me last night P). After that I had to completely dismiss the whole post, the writer and pretty much the website.
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Salaam Leyna. I went back there after reading your message and had more of a read of the articles and fatwas. There is so much hate against women on there I can hardly believe it. Also he attacks Shiites and of course just the constant regurgitation of the most ridiculous hadith. So, yes you are clearly correct. My concern is that it's someone I love who directed me there in the first place
May Allah show us both the true path. Ameen.
PS I had to look up Salafi...you learn something new everyday laugh
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Salaam Leyna. I went back there after reading your message and had more of a read of the articles and fatwas. There is so much hate against women on there I can hardly believe it.
Yes, that's very typical. nope
Once you are familiar with their way of thinking and their ideology, you don't need to read further than a couple of sentences on a site like this in order to know what the rest will be like.
They are a dangerous cult that imho has nothing to do with Islam; and it's sad that thanks to petrodollars their ideology is spreading around the world like cancer.
There's already a thread discussing some of their outrageous fatawa and misogyny
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599034.0
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Mahatma Gandhi First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
So true. I think the fact that they (and some other groups) are trying so hard to discredit "Qur'anists" is an indicator that they are starting to feel a bit threatened by us.
Gandhi was a very wise man anyway. peace
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...but just to be sure can anyone tell me whether "Quranists" mentioned there is referring to a particular group, or just generally Quran only followers?
Salaam,
Actually the sectarians, i.e. Sunnis, Shi?ahs, Salafis, and? by stamping us, i.e. the Muslims, as "qur?aanists", trying to make us, the Muslims, to be seen and to be considered as another sect.
So, we need to be highly alert here and do not allow them to be successful with their plot. We are Muslims, PERIOD. We as Muslims follow The Qur?aan Alone as our ONLY religious guidance.
Peace,
Khalil -
"We are Muslims, PERIOD."
Thanks for your reply to the question. I see you point completely and agree with your statement above.
The whole idea of "Quran only" or "Quranist" does seem to suggest that it's something strange when in fact from what I can see it's exactly how God asks Muslims to practice.
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Peace,
Respect.When I call them sunnis, I don't have the word sunni as part of ba dlanguage.
I've noticed that they've already called themselves sunnis, so I resperct that and I too, therefore, call them sunnis. Then when the conversation continues, God knows best.But you're right, all humans are brothers and sisters and we need to respect each other at all times.
May God help us.Peace.
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Honestly, Sincerely, I am a sunnit, always undertand the quran through hadith , well i never been a scholar or a religious person, so i always follow and never did a research by myself, but than i started reading and understanding what 's really in the quran, did search from indian sites, some smart people i guess, some ather quran websites, forums.... i feel like the only way someone b a true muslim is to abandon all sunnah of mohamed wich is transmitted to us through some unknown people, and follow the real mohamed sunnah , wich is transmitted by the most trustworthy person in our history, that is again mohamed, his true message , his true sunnah is the sunnah of allah,
I really start to believe and start to feel is when i read the story of prophet mohamed, i feel he's the highest rank person in morals through the quran, someone sent me the life story of mohamed and his sunnah from the quran only, wow, i feel he's a saint, and a great man, no one was greater than mohamed when i realised that his words were the quran, can u imagine? compared to hadith
i believe in we must folow Mohamed is follow his words wich are the quran
i see many verses starts with say ..... that is words allah taught his prophet to speak with , so mohamed was speaking the quran, meaning no one in the human history spoke better words than mohamed, maybe some spoke like him for they get their words from the same source wivh is ALLAH,One more thing that really surprised me as a sunni and in the same times pleased me, the prophet only proven through the quran that he married twice and after that it was forbidden for him to get married again
it always bothered me about why did prophet mohamed violated the quran and get married 12 times, ofcourse i always get an answer with excuses for he's the prophet not like us, but this answer never convinced me for we have to follow his sunna, thank u allah for shwing me that this was just a lie against our holy prophet
one guy here convinced me when he sais that 16 years when converted in minutes and divided on 600 000 hadith , makes 14 mn per hadith for bukhari to check the sanad, without sleep or time to eat or pray, i really feel that bukhari and ibn kathir are dadjjals, they didn't insert all that crappy hadith inocently, i don't believe they were idiots, they knew what they were doing, antway, that"s it, salam
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Brothers, i am a sunni who love the idea of quran only, i tell u what theproblem is, my experience, when i was a little kid, i seen the story of isra and miradj as a part of my faith, 5 daily prayers are the foundation of islam and without it you go straight to hell, i learned the story of bukhari, and i always felt he's a saint, i always believed in miracles attributed to prophet mohamed, u know, a little kid kind of likes magic, i always thaught that the true life of mohamed is in the hadith and not in the quran, i always believed that allah loved mohamed so much that he puts his name beside his, i never thaught or had in mind that sunna is a sect, i always loved allah, i even blow kisses to him when i'm in private, so please, when someone grew up since childhood like this, it's not easy for him to see that most of it was false, not all of it, so if one speaks to a sunni, u guys must go easy for it's not easy to swallow all of it in the same time, I myself , took me time to realise, when, u guys speak to a sunni or shii or a jew or a christian, calll them brothers and don't call them mushriks , sunni and shi'a are the closest to quranists than jews and christians, remmeber that, after all , a sunni believe in allah , there's no partener with allah, and they believe that the quran is the word of allah with no doubt, the only think is that they need help to be shown the truth ,
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loxbox
one guy here convinced me when he sais that 16 years when converted in minutes and divided on 600 000 hadith , makes 14 mn per hadith for bukhari to check the sanad, without sleep or time to eat or pray, i really feel that bukhari and ibn kathir are dadjjals, they didn't insert all that crappy hadith inocently, i don't believe they were idiots, they knew what they were doing, antway, that"s it, salam
rotfl rotfl
Will you please like to tell the name of that genius who convinced you. laugh
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Peace,
Respect.Loxbox13, with all due Respect.
Can you look at these in Arabic and let me know if the word hadeeth appears7185 Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that God has created? Perhaps their time is drawing near; so in which narrative after this one will they believe?
316 And from the people, there are those who will purchase a baseless narrative with which to mislead from the path of God without knowledge, and to make it a mockery. These will have a humiliating retribution.
3923 God has sent down the best narrative, a Book that is similar, dual. The skins of those who are concerned towards their Lord shiver from it, then their skins and their hearts soften up to the remembrance of God. Such is the guidance of God; He guides with it whoever He wills. And for whoever God misguides, then none can guide him.
456 These are the revelations of God, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which narrative after God and His revelations do they believe?
5234 Let them produce a narrative like this, if they are truthful.
6844 Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this narrative; We will entice them from where they do not perceive.
7750 So in what narrative, after it, will they believe?
How about these?
Do you judge with some other book, brother?
Do you have another book, besides Qur'an?6836 What is wrong with you, how do you judge?
6837 Or do you have a book which you study?
6838 In it, you can find what you wish?Did prophet/messenger of God, Mohammad, dared to say something else other then The Qur'an?
Let's see6940 This is the utterance of an honorable messenger.
6941 It is not the utterance of a poet; rarely do you believe.
6942 Nor the utterance of a soothsayer; rarely do you take heed.
6943 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
6944 And had he attributed anything falsely to Us.
6945 We would have seized him by the right.
6946 Then, We would have severed his life-line.
6947 None of you would be able to prevent it.Qur'an is FULLY DETAILED, according to God>>>>
6114 Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you the Book fully detailed? Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
Who made Qur'an CLEAR to all of us?
These verses speak about Book more then they speak about prophet/messenger Mohammad.413 A Book whose revelations are detailed, an Arabic Qur'an for a people who know.
432 And the clarifying Book.
442 And the clarifying Book.
No disrespect, brother.
Take care and God Bless you.
Peace.
