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Salaam Leyna. I went back there after reading your message and had more of a read of the articles and fatwas. There is so much hate against women on there I can hardly believe it.
Yes, that's very typical. nope
Once you are familiar with their way of thinking and their ideology, you don't need to read further than a couple of sentences on a site like this in order to know what the rest will be like.
They are a dangerous cult that imho has nothing to do with Islam; and it's sad that thanks to petrodollars their ideology is spreading around the world like cancer.
There's already a thread discussing some of their outrageous fatawa and misogyny
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599034.0
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Mahatma Gandhi First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
So true. I think the fact that they (and some other groups) are trying so hard to discredit "Qur'anists" is an indicator that they are starting to feel a bit threatened by us.
Gandhi was a very wise man anyway. peace
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...but just to be sure can anyone tell me whether "Quranists" mentioned there is referring to a particular group, or just generally Quran only followers?
Salaam,
Actually the sectarians, i.e. Sunnis, Shi?ahs, Salafis, and? by stamping us, i.e. the Muslims, as "qur?aanists", trying to make us, the Muslims, to be seen and to be considered as another sect.
So, we need to be highly alert here and do not allow them to be successful with their plot. We are Muslims, PERIOD. We as Muslims follow The Qur?aan Alone as our ONLY religious guidance.
Peace,
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"We are Muslims, PERIOD."
Thanks for your reply to the question. I see you point completely and agree with your statement above.
The whole idea of "Quran only" or "Quranist" does seem to suggest that it's something strange when in fact from what I can see it's exactly how God asks Muslims to practice.
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Peace,
Respect.When I call them sunnis, I don't have the word sunni as part of ba dlanguage.
I've noticed that they've already called themselves sunnis, so I resperct that and I too, therefore, call them sunnis. Then when the conversation continues, God knows best.But you're right, all humans are brothers and sisters and we need to respect each other at all times.
May God help us.Peace.
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Honestly, Sincerely, I am a sunnit, always undertand the quran through hadith , well i never been a scholar or a religious person, so i always follow and never did a research by myself, but than i started reading and understanding what 's really in the quran, did search from indian sites, some smart people i guess, some ather quran websites, forums.... i feel like the only way someone b a true muslim is to abandon all sunnah of mohamed wich is transmitted to us through some unknown people, and follow the real mohamed sunnah , wich is transmitted by the most trustworthy person in our history, that is again mohamed, his true message , his true sunnah is the sunnah of allah,
I really start to believe and start to feel is when i read the story of prophet mohamed, i feel he's the highest rank person in morals through the quran, someone sent me the life story of mohamed and his sunnah from the quran only, wow, i feel he's a saint, and a great man, no one was greater than mohamed when i realised that his words were the quran, can u imagine? compared to hadith
i believe in we must folow Mohamed is follow his words wich are the quran
i see many verses starts with say ..... that is words allah taught his prophet to speak with , so mohamed was speaking the quran, meaning no one in the human history spoke better words than mohamed, maybe some spoke like him for they get their words from the same source wivh is ALLAH,One more thing that really surprised me as a sunni and in the same times pleased me, the prophet only proven through the quran that he married twice and after that it was forbidden for him to get married again
it always bothered me about why did prophet mohamed violated the quran and get married 12 times, ofcourse i always get an answer with excuses for he's the prophet not like us, but this answer never convinced me for we have to follow his sunna, thank u allah for shwing me that this was just a lie against our holy prophet
one guy here convinced me when he sais that 16 years when converted in minutes and divided on 600 000 hadith , makes 14 mn per hadith for bukhari to check the sanad, without sleep or time to eat or pray, i really feel that bukhari and ibn kathir are dadjjals, they didn't insert all that crappy hadith inocently, i don't believe they were idiots, they knew what they were doing, antway, that"s it, salam
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Brothers, i am a sunni who love the idea of quran only, i tell u what theproblem is, my experience, when i was a little kid, i seen the story of isra and miradj as a part of my faith, 5 daily prayers are the foundation of islam and without it you go straight to hell, i learned the story of bukhari, and i always felt he's a saint, i always believed in miracles attributed to prophet mohamed, u know, a little kid kind of likes magic, i always thaught that the true life of mohamed is in the hadith and not in the quran, i always believed that allah loved mohamed so much that he puts his name beside his, i never thaught or had in mind that sunna is a sect, i always loved allah, i even blow kisses to him when i'm in private, so please, when someone grew up since childhood like this, it's not easy for him to see that most of it was false, not all of it, so if one speaks to a sunni, u guys must go easy for it's not easy to swallow all of it in the same time, I myself , took me time to realise, when, u guys speak to a sunni or shii or a jew or a christian, calll them brothers and don't call them mushriks , sunni and shi'a are the closest to quranists than jews and christians, remmeber that, after all , a sunni believe in allah , there's no partener with allah, and they believe that the quran is the word of allah with no doubt, the only think is that they need help to be shown the truth ,
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loxbox
one guy here convinced me when he sais that 16 years when converted in minutes and divided on 600 000 hadith , makes 14 mn per hadith for bukhari to check the sanad, without sleep or time to eat or pray, i really feel that bukhari and ibn kathir are dadjjals, they didn't insert all that crappy hadith inocently, i don't believe they were idiots, they knew what they were doing, antway, that"s it, salam
rotfl rotfl
Will you please like to tell the name of that genius who convinced you. laugh
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Peace,
Respect.Loxbox13, with all due Respect.
Can you look at these in Arabic and let me know if the word hadeeth appears7185 Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that God has created? Perhaps their time is drawing near; so in which narrative after this one will they believe?
316 And from the people, there are those who will purchase a baseless narrative with which to mislead from the path of God without knowledge, and to make it a mockery. These will have a humiliating retribution.
3923 God has sent down the best narrative, a Book that is similar, dual. The skins of those who are concerned towards their Lord shiver from it, then their skins and their hearts soften up to the remembrance of God. Such is the guidance of God; He guides with it whoever He wills. And for whoever God misguides, then none can guide him.
456 These are the revelations of God, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which narrative after God and His revelations do they believe?
5234 Let them produce a narrative like this, if they are truthful.
6844 Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this narrative; We will entice them from where they do not perceive.
7750 So in what narrative, after it, will they believe?
How about these?
Do you judge with some other book, brother?
Do you have another book, besides Qur'an?6836 What is wrong with you, how do you judge?
6837 Or do you have a book which you study?
6838 In it, you can find what you wish?Did prophet/messenger of God, Mohammad, dared to say something else other then The Qur'an?
Let's see6940 This is the utterance of an honorable messenger.
6941 It is not the utterance of a poet; rarely do you believe.
6942 Nor the utterance of a soothsayer; rarely do you take heed.
6943 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
6944 And had he attributed anything falsely to Us.
6945 We would have seized him by the right.
6946 Then, We would have severed his life-line.
6947 None of you would be able to prevent it.Qur'an is FULLY DETAILED, according to God>>>>
6114 Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you the Book fully detailed? Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
Who made Qur'an CLEAR to all of us?
These verses speak about Book more then they speak about prophet/messenger Mohammad.413 A Book whose revelations are detailed, an Arabic Qur'an for a people who know.
432 And the clarifying Book.
442 And the clarifying Book.
No disrespect, brother.
Take care and God Bless you.
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who convinced me? i don't really know exactly who, but u think i don't have ears and intellect? i was fighting with myself a little , but at the end the intellect won i guess, well, u can be blind and don't see the truth, but than we u can see how long can u lie to yourself, i never been stuborn or extremist or a liar, specially lying about allah, at the end, all of u guys conviced me, u did some work on me, little by little, at the end u guys won, the good part in it is that i won too LOL thank u all
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Ok guys don't let anyone fool you , hadith is an arabic word that means " narrative " or " a saying"
like if i say in arabic to you " hadithni" means narrate to me or tell me or speak to me
hadathana means narrated to us or told us
but is the hadith bukhari means narrations of bukhari
so that word hadith in the quran always means narration or message or recitation, hadith of bukhari at the time of mohamed didn't exist
for example other hadiths beside the quran are the gospel, the torah, or any book after that like bukhari etc...
i honestly i find it hypocrit to try to translate the words of allah and not translate that word just to make it look like he's talking about bukhari, that's pure hypocrisy, so the translation as narration is perfect, do not defend truth with falshood, the argument of the quran in enaugh, dosn't need twisting the tongue to accuse others -
loxbox rotfl rotfl
Will you please like to tell the name of that genius who convinced you. laugh
I believe he is referring to the impossible mathematics of Bukhari
http//forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=11650You are right, according to traditional sources, he took 16 years to gather the ahadith and write them.
You as well as I know that he reportedly collected about 600 000 hadiths! See any site, for example, this one
http//www.uga.edu/islam/hadith.htmlDo the math!!
16 years = 8409600 minutes
This means even if you dont take any time out for eating, sleeping, toilet, travelling etc, that leaves 14 minutes to listen to, record and check the authenticity of each hadith!
I repeat 14 minutes per hadith !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mahatma Gandhi First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
True.
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It says "follow me" not "follow my alleged sunnah as written by Bukhari et al".
This issue has been discussed in perhaps hundreds of pages on the forum and in articles.
The expression signifies to follow his way, as elsewhere, it is mentioned in the Quraan
Say (O Prophet م "This is my path, I call to Allaah upon clear-sightedness, I, and whomsoever follows me."
So what is meant by following the Prophet is following of his way, i.e. following of his Sunnah or his Sabeel (path).
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Salaam,
The above verse of The Qur?aan you?ve quoted and all other similar verses commanding the believers to follow the messengers of GOD are all about the time when the messengers were alive and living, so the believers would be able to follow the tangible living messenger.
So you are saying that Allaah only sends a messenger to be followed while he is alive, by his contemporaries, but after he passes away, he is not to be followed any more?
Such a strange belief is contrary to what Allaah warned when He revealed the following
And Muhammad is no more than a Messenger. Many were the messengers that passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you turn back upon your heels? And if any did turn back upon his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allaah, and Allaah will give reward to those who are grateful.
Now; can you tell me how am I to follow a dead messenger, especially after being dead for over 1400 years? Unless I actually die too, then I will truly be following him in his footsteps to his grave.
I already proved in my post prior to this that following the Messenger means following his path and his way
This means, we follow the Messenger's Sunnah that he left behind, his teachings and actions that he exemplified for us, as Allaah says
Indeed, you have in the Messenger of Allaah a good example for anyone who seeks Allaah and the Last Day, and remembers Allaah much.
Allaah says that anyone who is seeking to return to Him has the blessed example and model of His Messenger in front of him to emulate. Note that the verse does not restrict the following of this example only to the contemporaries of the Messenger of Allaah during his lifetime.
Verses 3531, 32 in The Qur?aan clearly inform us that we inherited nothing but The Qur?aan Alone for our religious guidance. The Prophet himself time and time again was commended to follow The Qur?aan only. See 650,106; 7203; 1015,109; 332; 4343; 499, and many more.
As has already been proven, the Quraan itself commands true believers to follow the path of the Messenger and informs those who seek to return to Allaah that they have in His Messenger an excellent example to follow.
Now let's go through each and every verse you quoted
3531, 32 - nowhere does it say that only the Quraan alone is sufficient for our guidance.
650 - the blessed verse says that the Messenger only follows that which is revealed to him. Nowhere does it say that it is only the Quraan which has been revealed to him. On the contrary, the Quraan says that everything the Messenger speaks is revelation
6106 - no mention of Quraan, only commands to follow that which is revealed, nowhere in the Quraan does it say that the Quraan itself is the only thing which has been revealed to the Messenger of Allaah
7203 - Again no mention of "Quraan alone"
1015 - No mention of "Quraan alone". The verse does say that the disbelievers wanted that another "Quraan" should be revealed other than this Quraan, or that it be changed. That is irrelevant point to whether Quraan is the only revelation to be followed.
10109 - No mention of "Quraan" even, only to follow that which is revealed. Again, nowhere in Quraan does it say that Quraan is the only revelation revealed to the Messenger !
The same is true for the rest of the verses you quoted, i.e. 4343, 332, and 499 (although I don't know why you quoted 499)
How in the world you sectarians dare to claim that the Prophet who is commanded repeatedly by GOD (SWT) not to follow anything but The Qur?aan
Wrong, the Prophet was commanded repeatedly to follow only that which was revealed unto him, that includes the Quraan and Sunnah, because both are revelations from Allaah.
My challenge to you is simple Where in the Quraan does it say that only the Quraan is the revelation given to Prophet Muhammad ??
If you show me even one Verse, I will make tawbah right there and then and accept that you are right and that I was following misguidance all along. How does that sound?
