Quran only mistakes
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pssst, Harris....Rana is not a dude.
ps. Love your retorical ways
Alhumdulillah! Congrats brother. Allah almighty has shown you the way. Inshallah, your friends and those close to your heart too shall see the light soon.
It is in Him we trust and only He can decide whom amongst us deserves to re-enter back into his kingdom.You can checkout my blogs www.simply-harris.blogspot.com and www.harris.blog.com
Salaam.
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and who is denying this? Of course there is only one Masjid al Haraam (Sacred Mosque), but that doesn't mean it is the only mosque which is holy and blessed, Allaah says in the Quraan that Masjid al Aqsaa which is in Jerusalem is also holy and blessed
At the time of the above revelation there existed no Al Aqsaa Mosque in Jeruselem. Islam was introduced there years after the Prophet's death, pbuh. What I meant was the Prophet's Mosque in the city of Madinah which is considered ONE of the TWO SACRED/HARAAM mosques by the inventors and gardians of your AVATAR!
Salaam,
Like I said before, it is a waste of time trying to get through you guys, as your narrow mindedness and tunneled vision does not allow you to think and look beyond your non monotheistic ideology. As an example, your avatar tells a whole lot regarding the kind of Islam you believe in. Putting Muhammad pbuh as an equal, side by side with Allaah swt as the first pillar of your faith, adding a sword right underneath it as the symbol of a violent and intolerable ideology. See 318, 4719, and 3735 for the correct Islamic SHAHAADAH. Also, Islam is the religion of PEACE and tranquility, tolerance and reform. I invite you to repent, reform, and ask for forgiveness from Allaah swt and come back to The Qur?aan alone as your sole religious guidance. See 448,116. May Allaah swt Guides us all in His straight path.
Peace,
Khalil -
At the time of the above revelation there existed no Al Aqsaa Mosque in Jeruselem. Islam was introduced there years after the Prophet's death, pbuh. What I meant was the Prophet's Mosque in the city of Madinah which is considered ONE of the TWO SACRED/HARAAM mosques by the inventors and gardians of your AVATAR!
Salaam,
Like I said before, it is a waste of time trying to get through you guys, as your narrow mindedness and tunneled vision does not allow you to think and look beyond your non monotheistic ideology. As an example, your avatar tells a whole lot regarding the kind of Islam you believe in. Putting Muhammad pbuh as an equal, side by side with Allaah swt as the first pillar of your faith, adding a sword right underneath it as the symbol of a violent and intolerable ideology. See 318, 4719, and 3735 for the correct Islamic SHAHAADAH. Also, Islam is the religion of PEACE and tranquility, tolerance and reform. I invite you to repent, reform, and ask for forgiveness from Allaah swt and come back to The Qur?aan alone as your sole religious guidance. See 448,116. May Allaah swt Guides us all in His straight path.
Peace,
KhalilMuje jeeney ki duwa dete hain in buzrkoon ke duwaoon pe hansi aathi hay. nope
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At the time of the above revelation there existed no Al Aqsaa Mosque in Jeruselem. Islam was introduced there years after the Prophet's death, pbuh. What I meant was the Prophet's Mosque in the city of Madinah which is considered ONE of the TWO SACRED/HARAAM mosques by the inventors and gardians of your AVATAR!
Salaam,
Like I said before, it is a waste of time trying to get through you guys, as your narrow mindedness and tunneled vision does not allow you to think and look beyond your non monotheistic ideology. As an example, your avatar tells a whole lot regarding the kind of Islam you believe in. Putting Muhammad pbuh as an equal, side by side with Allaah swt as the first pillar of your faith, adding a sword right underneath it as the symbol of a violent and intolerable ideology. See 318, 4719, and 3735 for the correct Islamic SHAHAADAH. Also, Islam is the religion of PEACE and tranquility, tolerance and reform. I invite you to repent, reform, and ask for forgiveness from Allaah swt and come back to The Qur?aan alone as your sole religious guidance. See 448,116. May Allaah swt Guides us all in His straight path.
Peace,
Khalil -
At the time of the above revelation there existed no Al Aqsaa Mosque in Jeruselem. Islam was introduced there years after the Prophet's death, pbuh.
Every prophet was a Muslim and followed Islaam, and the Masjid Al Aqsaa, the holy mosque of Jerusalem, was built by King Solomon . The Prophet Muhammad was miraculously taken by Allaah from Makkah to Jerusalem the Holy City,
What I meant was the Prophet's Mosque in the city of Madinah which is considered ONE of the TWO SACRED/HARAAM mosques by the inventors and gardians of your AVATAR!
All mosques are holy and sacred. But only one mosque is called the "Sacred Mosque" (Masjid al Haraam), which is in Makkah.
As for the Prophet's Mosque in Madinah, it is mentioned in the Quraan , and Allaah says about it that it is built upon the foundation of righteousness.
Like I said before, it is a waste of time trying to get through you guys,
If you think it's a waste of time, feel free to ignore my posts. But anyone who is interested in a purely academic discussion from the Quraan based on logic will definitely be invited to discuss with me. If you want to resort to emotions and stereotypes, you may do so, but you will only further expose how so called "Quraanists" are the most ignorant people about the Quraan.
As an example, your avatar tells a whole lot regarding the kind of Islam you believe in. Putting Muhammad pbuh as an equal, side by side with Allaah swt as the first pillar of your faith
There are literally dozens of verses, too many to list even, where the Quraan enjoins us to obey Allaah and obey His Messenger , to believe in Allaah and believe in His Messenger . So the Prophet is constantly mentioned alongside Allaah in the Quraan. Therefore, your objection is useless, unless you want to deny the Quraan as well!
My challenge still stands, and to date, not a single one of you has been able to address it
Show me a single verse from the Holy Quraan which says that the sole source of guidance and the sole revelation to the Prophet Muhammad is the Holy Quran - and nothing but the Holy Quraan.
If you can show me even one verse, I will repent from my beliefs and accept that only the Quraan has been revealed by Allaah to the Prophet, and there was no other revelation or inspiration to him.
Yaad karo ke zameen patsakti, pahar apnay jagah chorsakta, lekin Qiyamat tak, aap log eki ayaat bi nahi dekasaktay jis main yeh hain ke sirf o Sirf Quraan e Majeed Allaah Tabarraka wa Ta'ala ka Wahy hain Nabi Paak per
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sunni and shi'a are the closest to quranists than jews and christians,
I already proved in my post prior to this
As has already been proven
I love it when people simply state their opinion and then claim they "proved" something. http//www.imagebanana.com/img/wg5lygwz/00008242.gif
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anyone who is interested in a purely academic discussion from the Quraan based on logic will definitely be invited to discuss with me.
so called "Quraanists" are the most ignorant people about the Quraan.
Bit of a contradiction here, I'd say ?
How and would I be able to have an "academic discussion based on logic" with someone who already has a preconceived notion of me? And why should I be interested in wasting my time with a person whose only interest is to prove me wrong and assert his own superiority?
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sunni and shi'a are the closest to quranists than jews and christians
On the contrary, the Quraaniyoon (Quranists) are even more misguided and astray than the Jews and Christians.
While Jews and Christians are People of the Book, the Quraaniyoon are heretics.
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There are literally dozens of verses, too many to list even, where the Quraan enjoins us to obey Allaah and obey His Messenger , to believe in Allaah and believe in His Messenger . So the Prophet is constantly mentioned alongside Allaah in the Quraan. Therefore, your objection is useless, unless you want to deny the Quraan as well!
OK so explain why this has anything to do with following rumors and hearsay spread 200 years after Qur'an?
My challenge still stands, and to date, not a single one of you has been able to address it
Show me a single verse from the Holy Quraan which says that the sole source of guidance and the sole revelation to the Prophet Muhammad is the Holy Quran - and nothing but the Holy Quraan.
That's easy...
21-2 alif-lam-meem, this (is) the book no doubt in it, a guidance for the God-conscious.
Now your turn; post one hadith "no doubt in it" and swear by God stake your soul it is true?
Perhaps kill all puppies especially the black evil ones ...
Hadith - Muslim, narrated Maymunah
One morning Allah's Messenger was silent with grief. Maymunah said Allah's Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah's Messenger saidGabriel had promised me that he would meet me last night, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises; and Allah's Messenger spent the day in this sad (mood). Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He gave an order and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it on the place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. So the very next morning he commanded the dogs to be killed. He announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog used for the protection of extensive fields (or big gardens). -
On the contrary, the Quraaniyoon (Quranists) are even more misguided and astray than the Jews and Christians.
While Jews and Christians are People of the Book, the Quraaniyoon are heretics.
Peace.
Could you please expand on your thinking here a little? I'm curious about your reasoning.
Do you think that a person adhering strictly to monotheism and accepts the divinity of the Qur'an while rejecting the divinity of hadith is further from the truth than a Christian who believes that Jesus constitutes part of a tri-une God, while rejecting the Qur'an, the prophecy of Mohammed AND all actions and sayings attributed to him?
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Maseehullaah; please, you calling the people who loves and follow the word of allah a heretics??? , The quran , the words that there is no doubt, Mohamed's words with no doubt, Mohamed was a walking quran according to your hadiths, so think about it , what is a walking quran, a person who applied the whole of the quran upon himself, no more nor less, for he was a walking quran, not a koran and some sahih bukhari, not a quran and tafsir ibn kathir, not a quran and Wicked stories of tabari, but a walking quran, this is the only hadith that makes perfect sense, doesn't contradict the quran, for allah commanded Mohamed, to convey the quran ,not add anything to it, not substract, the whole quran to all mankibd, he was the first example, we follow mohamed, we follow the quran jusy like him, Mohamed because he was a quranist, he succesed, after him around 300 years, came sunnis and shiis, they failed, they let the islamic kingdon of allah fall, now we want to be quranists like mohamed and his high characters and pious companions, what is wrong with trying to be like Mohamed, a QURAN only person, Why do we have to be tabari or ibn kathir or sahihbukhari or sahihmuslim ......person??? OUR teacher is Mohamed through the word of ALLAH , the word of allah is the quran and not Bukhari or tirmizi ... , Allah gave Mohamed One Mighty Book to his Mighty messenger as he did to his Other mighty messengers Jesus Moses and the rest, why u want us to follow what the church teaches as christians or what the talmud teaches as jews or what the hadith teaches as sunnis or what Khabar teaches as shiaas? we want to be Mohamed's students, we want to learn his message wich is the quran, we want to follow the quran, we love mohamed because he brought to us the quran, we love the quran because it's the word of allah , We LOVE ALLAH for he is allah , our creator, why you want us to rever bukhari? who is bukhar? who is tabari? who is Ibn Kathir? all they did is put a barrier between muslims and the quran, to get to the quran you have to go through them!!! to get to mohamed teachings, you have to go through them, therefore to get to allah you have to get through them, brother, think about it, doesn't it sound like catholics? like rabbis jews.? i was a sunni, and i'm still a sunni, but i am sunna of allah, just like Mohamed the exalted messenger, i don't believe mohamed followed his sunna through bukhari and tabari, i believe mohamed's sunna is the quran , peace, may Allah guide us all
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OK so explain why this has anything to do with following rumors and hearsay spread 200 years after Qur'an?
Hadith are not rumors or hearsay. They are the words of the Prophet (peace be upon him) narrated by his Companions. They were not created 200 years after the Quraan, they were compiled (as in collected and written down) much earlier than that. For example, the Muwatta of Imam Malik was compiled in the before the third century Hijri, quite early on. In fact, many ahadith were compiled even before that, within the first century of Islaam, such as the Sahifah of Hammam ibn Munnabih, a student of the companion Abu Hurairah, and the Musannaf of Abdur Razzaq as-Sanaa'i.
So first study the history of Hadith before you make such ignorant statements.
That's easy...
21-2 alif-lam-meem, this (is) the book no doubt in it, a guidance for the God-conscious.
This verse doesn't address my challenge, which is to show a single verse from the Quraan which says only the Quraan is revealed by Allaah to the Prophet (peace be upon him)
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Peace.
Could you please expand on your thinking here a little? I'm curious about your reasoning.
Do you think that a person adhering strictly to monotheism and accepts the divinity of the Qur'an while rejecting the divinity of hadith is further from the truth than a Christian who believes that Jesus constitutes part of a tri-une God, while rejecting the Qur'an, the prophecy of Mohammed AND all actions and sayings attributed to him?
A person who rejects the Hadeeth is actually rejecting the Quraan, because Allaah says in the Quraan to obey the Messenger, and to take whatever he gives, and to forbid ourselves whatever he has forbidden for us. The Quraan also says that everything the Prophet (peace be upon him) says is a revelation from Allaah
So by rejecting the Hadeeth, you are not only rejecting the Prophet (peace be upon him), you are also rejecting the Quraan.
The first Hadeeth-rejectors in the history of Islaam was the Khawaarij sect. They rejected the Sunnah and the Hadeeth. Their spiritual ancestor is Dhul Khuwaisirah, one of the hypocrites, who criticized the Prophet (peace be upon him) and told him to be just and to fear Allaah. The Prophet (peace be upon him) responded that who is more just than him, and who is more fearing of Allaah than him? And then the Prophet (peace be upon him) predicted that from the loins of Dhul Khuwaisirah there would come a people who would recite the Quraan, but it would not go beyond their throats, meaning, the guidance of the Quraan would not penetrate into their hearts, despite their reading of it. These Khawaarij would be young, immature people with no knowledge, following their desires. They would reject the Hadeeth and the Sunnah, they would raise slogans of justice.
Yet this is one of the deviant sects that the Prophet (peace be upon him) warned about, and mentioned that they are the "Dogs of the Hellfire"
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Maseehullaah
Your are blaspheming brother, you're juging, only allah is the jugeYou want to stick wiith ibn kathir and bukhari ? cool, than stick with them , remember, bukhari say the prophet married a 9 years old girl and many more that you know, words that aren't reflecting his high standard caracter
The prophet taught the Quran, do u believe that ? do u believe that the sahaba killed each other ? when allah says You were the best pious people , I believe allah and not the HAdith that contradict allah
The propphet was tolerant, smart, civilised and wise , many hadith tells the oposite, so i don(t believe these hadiths
the prophet respected and applied the quran fully, no adding anything to it and no substracting, do u believe in that ?
your hadith says he's was walking quran, does that mean anything to u ?
Why would the prophet says in the hearafter my lord, my people left this quran ? how do u leave the quran? by applying only hadith to understand it, like there's a barrier between muslims and the quran, this barrier is the hadith
Dont the hadith call the first pillar shahadatayn ? shahadatayn to whom ? who are these 2 parteners who shahada?
better open your mind and do your research to find what is gonna amaze you, how the quran powerfull and one more think , is there any enemy of islam that can attack mulims thrugh the quran ? they can't, but through hadith, they will find , like mohamed been called pedophile because of hadith, mohamed been called violant because of hadith, mohamed been called a pirate because of hadith, mohamed been called brutal because of stoning humans because of hadiths and much more, don(t you realise than the enemies of the prophet and his civilised umma at that time infiltrated muslims and inserted many false teachings as hadith , the reason we get devided into sects and political parties fighting each other, don't u read history and learn from what time began the collapse of the islamic empire? the greatest empire in the history of mankind? Do your reasearch without any prejudice in your heart and allah will show you the truth
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The Quraan also says that everything the Prophet (peace be upon him) says is a revelation from Allaah
God admonishes Mohammed for errors in 661 and 801 - if everything the Prophet said was revelation, how could he possibly need corrections?
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Maseehullaah; please, you calling the people who loves and follow the word of allah a heretics??? , The quran , the words that there is no doubt
Allaah Himself says that the Quraan causes those who are wrongdoers to become even more misguided in their disbelief
Verily, the Revelation that has come to you from your Lord increases in most of them their obstinate rebellion and disbelief
So just by accepting the Quraan doesn't mean you have true faith. True faith requires that you accept the Messenger of Allaah as the only judge between all the disputes amongst us . But since you reject the Hadeeth of the Prophet , you are no different from the deviant Khawaarij sect which also rejected the Hadeeth and followed their own desires and wrong interpretation of the Quraan.
Allaah says that He revealed the Reminder, and the job of the Messenger is to explain it
If you reject the words of the Messenger , how can you know what is his explanation of the Reminder?
Therefore, you are misguided heretics, just like the Khawaarij of old, because even they believed in the Quraan and used to read it intensely. In fact, when the fourth khalifah of Islaam, Ali ibn Abi Taalib sent Ibn Abbaas to debate with the Khawaarij sect at their camp, when he approached their camp he heard a sound like buzzing, which was the Khawaarij reading the Quraan.
But even though they believed in the Quraan (and rejected the Hadeeth), they were clearly misguided and rebellious group.
, Mohamed's words with no doubt
Then why do you reject the Hadeeth?
The Quraan is not the words of Prophet Muhammad . The Quraan is the Word of God.
Yet, Allaah says in the Quraan that the words of the Prophet are revelation, just like the Quraan is revelation
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Abu Hurairah was a liar with a faulty memory.
Says who?