Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah
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Salaam,
Say "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say "God is witness between me and you; This Quran hath been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides God there is another God?" Say "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say "But in truth He is the one God, and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him." Those to whom We have given the Book know this as they know their own sons. Those who have lost their own souls refuse therefore to believe.
In the whole Quran Prophet never TESTIFIED that besides God there is another God. One occasion came before the Prophet when he could have TESTIFIED, but Allah prohibited him to TESTIFY.
WHEN PROPHET NEVER testified, when Allah PROHIBITED the prophet to TESTIFY then why should we go on TESTIFYING day and night LAA ILAA HAA IL LALLAAH. W
Add this, prophet telling his followers to TESTIFY for himself also.
Allah never commanded the Believers to TESTIFY, HIS Oneness and moreover PROHIBITED the Prophet to TESTIFY the same
Can you please explain the highlighted part form your post? Any reference from AlQuraan???
Thanks,
Mohammed M. Khan
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Salaam, MM Khan
Dear brother?
The ayat is wrongly quoted by you.Alright, then please show us the correct one.
Please check the following
1- The covenant was taken by Allah from PROPHETS
Yes. That is what I said. That is what the Ayat says.
2- Red highlighted part should be translated as 'whatever I give you from Scripture' Arabic word is 'Kitaab(in)' there is no 'al' with it so 'The Scripture' will not be the correct translation.
alright, right now i don't debate it. So? if it is from the scripture or scripture it self? what are you trying to prove?
3- Green highlighted part should be translated as 'Afterwards which ever messenger comes to you confirming what is with you'. Again it is said 'Rasool' not 'AlRasool' , that means Rasool could be any person not necessarily the appointed Allah's Messenger. The important part here is which ever is the messenger, he has to authenticate what is with them .
So you are one of those who deny Muhammad (PIUH) as a Final Messenger of Allah! That was most pathetic try of twisting the verse I ever saw, sorry to say.
Those? Who? We have nothing to do here in 381, ONLY The Prophets and Messenger has to deal with it.
This only shows your ignorance. The Ayats are for guidance of people. Even if Messengers are warned here that they e will become "Fasiqoon" if they reject, what about those ordinary people who reject?
Seal of Prophets? You said "a messenger will come" from the above aayat. Where the seal of Prophets came in between?
he did not came in between, he was always there, only disbelievers can't see it. The convent was took from All prophets that a Messenger will come, and if that Messenger was not Muhammad PIUH why mention it in the Last book of Allah, that was revealed unto Muhammad PIUH.
MM khan
All those previous Prophets have to believe in him??? In Whom? Prophet Mohammed? How?
And support him??? Previous Prophets have to support Prophet Mohammed??? How?
When they all witness to him??? Witness to him? You mean witness to Prophet Mohammed??Yes! Just read your above explanation of the verse and you will see how? and it will also reveal to you the absurdity of your argument. and read this
O Prophet! Lo! We have sent thee as a witness and a bringer of good tidings and a warner
and then this
Nay, but he brought the Truth, and he confirmed those sent 3737
and This
He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion. And Allah sufficeth as a witness.
Esa Roohuallah??? I did not say that, I swear
You need not swear, I am sure now you can't.
MM Khan
Sister Ayisha already answered this as follows
2165 And from among the people are some who take other than Allah as equals to Him, they love them as they love Allah; but those who believe love Allah more strongly; and when those who were wicked see the retribution, they will see that all power belongs to Allah, and that Allah is severe in retribution.She thinks Allah can send message through a donkey for humans against Allah's Set law, that means in her eyes Donkeys and Messengers of Allah have no distinction. She has no respect for the messengers of Allah and specially for Muhammad peace is upon him. What she says verbally about respect of messengers, fails to portray it practically, as shown to us by MAZHAR.
Read the following aayt
Alnnabiyyu awla bialmumineena min anfusihim waazwajuhu ommahatuhum waoloo alarhami baAAduhum awla bibaAAdin fee kitabi Allahi mina almumineena waalmuhajireena illa an tafAAaloo ila awliyaikum maAAroofan kana thalika fee alkitabi mastooran
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Say If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives, and your tribe, and the wealth ye have acquired, and merchandise for which ye fear that there will be no sale, and dwellings ye desire are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger and striving in His way then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass. Allah guideth not wrong doing folk. 924
Allah mentions Muhammad's name very next to his own
It was clarified before that no one is taking any one Equal to Allah. Yet to parrot the same aayt posted by Ayisha says it all.May Allah open our hearts to understand The Truth
Ameen
Allah Ho Akbar.
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Salaam
Hafeez Kazi
In the whole Quran Prophet never TESTIFIED that besides God there is another God.
Offcourse
He is Allah, other than whom there is no god,.....5923, these words were uttered by Muhammad PIUH
He is Allah, other than whom there is no god,.... 5924 These words were uttered by Muhammad PIUH
Allah Ho Akbar.
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She thinks Allah can send message through a donkey for humans against Allah's Set law, that means in her eyes Donkeys and Messengers of Allah have no distinction. She has no respect for the messengers of Allah and specially for Muhammad peace is upon him. What she says verbally about respect of messengers, fails to portray it practically, as shown to us by MAZHAR.
And you are a proven liar.
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salam
Mr. Rajaah
Give me one verse where Prophet has TESTIFIED. Allah has PROHIBITED prophet to testify in verse 619. Uttering is different and TESTIFYING is different. I follow Quran and unless Allah commands I do not follow any man made rituals and all nonsense. When we believe that Allah is ONE and there is no other Allah and Muhammad is HIS messenger then why go on TESTIFYING day and night in Adhan and prayers. To whom we are TESTIFYING? Who has asked/told/commanded. Prove me from Quran THAT Allah has told/commanded us to TESTIFY? (THERE IS SOMETHING IN THIS WORLD AND THAT IS CALLED COMMON SENSE, WHICH WE SHOULD USE)
Allah has commanded us to pray, give sadaqah, piety etc. etc. in the Quran but where is the verses for TESTIFYING?
O YE WHO BELIEVED, TESTIFY THAT THERE IS NO GOD EXCEPT GOD AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER
Only thing we find in the Quran is BELIEVING.
If you find such verse please post it.
May ALLAH guide all of us.
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Hafeez Kazi
(THERE IS SOMETHING IN THIS WORLD AND THAT IS CALLED COMMON SENSE, WHICH WE SHOULD USE)
That is why we Witness the name of Muhammad Peace is upon him to show others, We do not believe in False Messengers.
And the verse I posted comes from the mouth of Muhammad PIUH.
Regarding 619 please read the commentary of MAzhar, few pages back may be, and if you still have any questions we discuss it.
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Salaam, Hafeez Kazi and Others
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Are these not enough proves?
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I don' understand one thing only, people here love some scientists to the extreme, give too much reverence to many philosophers but when it comes to mohamed, emmmm he's just a man, he's almost a nobody, he just delivered the quran and died, over for him, he's in the grave, allah will cutt his heart if he didn't deliver .....etc , but abraham, ohhhh the father of faith, we follow the religion of abraham , ghady? emmm he said the truth.... jack nickolson? good actor, but mohamed? an idol, an object for worship etc....... , I don't understand, when allah said to his companions, you were the best people that came on earth, what does that mean? their leader is the best leader that came on the earth, do the math , nothing wrong with loving the prophet, don(t be afraid, if you love him for his struggle and his patience and his perseverence and his success etc............ nothing wrong with that, after all, allah set him as an example to us, and who choose the best example better than allah ? Mohamed have been blessed by been the last of the prophets and bringing the last message to mankind, that's a great honor from allah, nobody from us will get that honor and nobody before him will have the honor of been the last prophet, he will not testifie against us in the hearafter , because we didn't leave the quran, so quranists have the privilege to say we are mohamed's true people, please, do not doubt your faith, coran followers worship allah and appreciate everything that isz good, thank you
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Please people, the influence of rashad khalfa is obvious,
I bear witness there is no god but ALLH
The quran is the word of allah, is the same as saying mohamed is the messenger of allah; not bearing witness, but recognising that his message is the quran,
Jews also can say I bear witness there's no god but allahBut what is the difference ? we believe in the quran brought to us by mohamed, they don't
to differenciate as an identity only, Mohamed is the messenger of allah
wedon(t bear witness for mohamed the messenger of allah becau, se we werent't there and we're not hypocrits, but we believe in mohamed as the messenger of allahI bear witness that there is no god But Allah, And Mohamed is the messenger of allah
I don't believe there's a blasphemy here, because we only bear witness that there is no god but allah, we identify ourselves as mohamed folowers
What do you think ?
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We don't have to praise mohamed, it's a sin
Allah named him mohamed
every time we say his name, that is exactly what we're saying " the praised one "probably that is why allah said ' wa rafaana laka dhikrek '
plus many times in the quran allah says , Mohamed rassoul allah , meaning, mohamed the messneger of allah
this is a title given to him by allah, so when we say his name, to differenciate him from the millions of mohameds, we says mohammed the messenger , it"s not a sin because allah calls him the messenger of allah -
Salaam loxbox
Thanks for your input, there is only one confusion about what you said, "to praise Muhammad is a sin", how come?
and in your very next statement you agree that Allah praises him in Quran, and daily when we recite Quran we Praise Muhammad Rasul and servant of Allah. -
Salaam.
Respectfully.A friend of mine and I have opened this subject again.
Well, he has, I got this weapon against the argument, SubhanAllah.2870 And He is God, there is no god except He. To Him belongs all praise in the first and in the last, and judgment belongs with Him, and to Him you will be returned.
The verse has been quoted before by a member of the forum and I'm posting it again because I wanna show a friend of mine that he is simply wrong. Again. I believe that we should not be sending peace and blessings to anyone who is in Paradise nor in the ones in HellFire because whatever we send, which ever way and in whatever format and to whoever, we can't help them nor are they aware of the stuff we're sending.
If I send peace and blessings to the prophet/messenger Muhammad, that won't matter because he is in Heaven and has peace and blessings and I believe much more so my peace and blessings doesn't even reach there, yes?
Glory be to God.
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I don' understand one thing only, people here love some scientists to the extreme, give too much reverence to many philosophers but when it comes to mohamed, emmmm he's just a man, he's almost a nobody, he just delivered the quran and died, over for him, he's in the grave, allah will cutt his heart if he didn't deliver .....etc , but abraham, ohhhh the father of faith, we follow the religion of abraham , ghady? emmm he said the truth.... jack nickolson? good actor, but mohamed? an idol, an object for worship etc....... , I don't understand, when allah said to his companions, you were the best people that came on earth, what does that mean? their leader is the best leader that came on the earth, do the math , nothing wrong with loving the prophet, don(t be afraid, if you love him for his struggle and his patience and his perseverence and his success etc............ nothing wrong with that, after all, allah set him as an example to us, and who choose the best example better than allah ? Mohamed have been blessed by been the last of the prophets and bringing the last message to mankind, that's a great honor from allah, nobody from us will get that honor and nobody before him will have the honor of been the last prophet, he will not testifie against us in the hearafter , because we didn't leave the quran, so quranists have the privilege to say we are mohamed's true people, please, do not doubt your faith, coran followers worship allah and appreciate everything that isz good, thank you
It's a rebound effect. You get stung by a bee, for some time you will stay a few hundred meters away from the bee hive even if you survive on honey alone. We must go to the beehive without getting stung!
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I don' understand one thing only, people here love some scientists to the extreme, give too much reverence to many philosophers but when it comes to mohamed, emmmm he's just a man, he's almost a nobody, he just delivered the quran and died, over for him, he's in the grave, allah will cutt his heart if he didn't deliver .....etc , but abraham, ohhhh the father of faith, we follow the religion of abraham , ghady? emmm he said the truth.... jack nickolson? good actor, but mohamed? an idol, an object for worship etc....... , I don't understand, when allah said to his companions, you were the best people that came on earth, what does that mean? their leader is the best leader that came on the earth, do the math , nothing wrong with loving the prophet, don(t be afraid, if you love him for his struggle and his patience and his perseverence and his success etc............ nothing wrong with that, after all, allah set him as an example to us, and who choose the best example better than allah ? Mohamed have been blessed by been the last of the prophets and bringing the last message to mankind, that's a great honor from allah, nobody from us will get that honor and nobody before him will have the honor of been the last prophet, he will not testifie against us in the hearafter , because we didn't leave the quran, so quranists have the privilege to say we are mohamed's true people, please, do not doubt your faith, coran followers worship allah and appreciate everything that isz good, thank you
Please people, the influence of rashad khalfa is obvious,
I bear witness there is no god but ALLH
The quran is the word of allah, is the same as saying mohamed is the messenger of allah; not bearing witness, but recognising that his message is the quran,
Jews also can say I bear witness there's no god but allahBut what is the difference ? we believe in the quran brought to us by mohamed, they don't
to differenciate as an identity only, Mohamed is the messenger of allah
wedon(t bear witness for mohamed the messenger of allah becau, se we werent't there and we're not hypocrits, but we believe in mohamed as the messenger of allahI bear witness that there is no god But Allah, And Mohamed is the messenger of allah
I don't believe there's a blasphemy here, because we only bear witness that there is no god but allah, we identify ourselves as mohamed folowers
What do you think ?
The two best posts I've read in this forum so far !
May God bless you brother.
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Peace "Badr" and "loxbox",
First let me comment on "loxbox's" statements but "Badr" do read and comment on it too
Please people, the influence of rashad khalfa is obvious,
I bear witness there is no god but ALLH
The quran is the word of allah, is the same as saying mohamed is the messenger of allah; not bearing witness, but recognising that his message is the quran,
Jews also can say I bear witness there's no god but allahJK- Saying the Quran is the Word of Allah is NOT THE SAME as saying Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. In the first phrase the emphasis is on the revealed book not making distinction between any of GOD's messengers whilst with the second phrase you're making a distinction and thus violating one of GOD's commandments. Have you ever wondered whilst the statement "la ilaaha ilallah/hu" occurs many times in the Quran NOT A SINGLE TIME IS IT FOLLOWED BY "Muhammadurrasolullah" NOT EVEN in the sura named Muhammad itself where "la ilaaha ilallah" is mentioned in verse 19?
But what is the difference ? we believe in the quran brought to us by mohamed, they don't
to differenciate as an identity only, Mohamed is the messenger of allah
wedon(t bear witness for mohamed the messenger of allah becau, se we werent't there and we're not hypocrits, but we believe in mohamed as the messenger of allahJK- But most sunni Muslims do say "...wa ASHADU ana Muhammadan abduhu wa rasooluhu" meaning "..and I BEAR WITNESS that Muhammad is GOD's servant and messenger" in the tashahud of every salat. Also doesn't the Adhaan of every hadith "Muslim" include "Ashadu ana Muhamur rasoolullah" as the 2nd statement? Ofcourse it does or have you never heard it? Would you admit that those "Muslims" are very wrong to do so?
I bear witness that there is no god But Allah, And Mohamed is the messenger of allah
I don't believe there's a blasphemy here, because we only bear witness that there is no god but allah, we identify ourselves as mohamed folowers
What do you think ?
JK- I think perhaps a tiny bit better but not enough for the distinction between messengers is still being made.
The two best posts I've read in this forum so far !
May God bless you brother.
JK- Have you ever wondered whilst the statement "la ilaaha ilallah/hu" occurs many times in the Quran NOT A SINGLE TIME IS IT FOLLOWED BY "Muhammadurrasolullah" NOT EVEN in the sura named Muhammad itself where "la ilaaha ilallah" is mentioned in verse 19? GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr" and "loxbox",
First let me comment on "loxbox's" statements but "Badr" do read and comment on it too
JK- Saying the Quran is the Word of Allah is NOT THE SAME as saying Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. In the first phrase the emphasis is on the revealed book not making distinction between any of GOD's messengers whilst with the second phrase you're making a distinction and thus violating one of GOD's commandments. Have you ever wondered whilst the statement "la ilaaha ilallah/hu" occurs many times in the Quran NOT A SINGLE TIME IS IT FOLLOWED BY "Muhammadurrasolullah" NOT EVEN in the sura named Muhammad itself where "la ilaaha ilallah" is mentioned in verse 19?
JK- But most sunni Muslims do say "...wa ASHADU ana Muhammadan abduhu wa rasooluhu" meaning "..and I BEAR WITNESS that Muhammad is GOD's servant and messenger" in the tashahud of every salat. Also doesn't the Adhaan of every hadith "Muslim" include "Ashadu ana Muhamur rasoolullah" as the 2nd statement? Ofcourse it does or have you never heard it? Would you admit that those "Muslims" are very wrong to do so?
JK- I think perhaps a tiny bit better but not enough for the distinction between messengers is still being made.
JK- Have you ever wondered whilst the statement "la ilaaha ilallah/hu" occurs many times in the Quran NOT A SINGLE TIME IS IT FOLLOWED BY "Muhammadurrasolullah" NOT EVEN in the sura named Muhammad itself where "la ilaaha ilallah" is mentioned in verse 19? GOD Bless!
I couldnt say it better than Lox, we have to think good about our prophet who has been chosen amongst all mankind and we differentiate ourselves from those who followed the islam of moses abraham etc...
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Peace "Badr",
I couldnt say it better than Lox, we have to think good about our prophet who has been chosen amongst all mankind and we differentiate ourselves from those who followed the islam of moses abraham etc...
JK- Why not differnetiate yourself by simply adding "wal Quranun Kittabullah" meaning "the Quran is the Book of GOD" or something like that to "la ilaaha illah" instead of mentioning Muhammad and thus making distinction amongst GOD's messengers? Remember also that the human messenger does not remain the main focus after his death but the inspired part that he leaves behind i.e. Quran in this case. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
Besides you h not answered yet as to why IYU ,whilst the statement "la ilaaha ilallah/hu" occurs many times in the Quran, NOT A SINGLE TIME IS IT FOLLOWED BY "Muhammadurrasolullah", NOT EVEN in the sura named Muhammad itself where "la ilaaha ilallah" is mentioned in verse 19? GOD Bless!