There is No God.
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So who's funding ya? you don't seem to earning a living, and your prompt responses suggest you are an agent.
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Like I thought you don't have answer, don't mind me saying this, but there is no in or out, you go round if you're Muslim, you do not need the Pope to absolve your sins those blasphemous thoughts of yours, Abdun Nur, but you cannot see beyond and above the Catholicism, which you distaste and do not admire. In the words of Jesus, for only God is good, God is the Light of the heavens and the earth, al Nur, God is the source of goodness, al-Rauf, God is the Truth, al Haq. If you do not wish to use the term God to define Allah, then you saying there is an evil in His creation, because everything comes from God. And if you try to use this BS that Allah means the one that is not God, again, we will return to the same thought previously, which you look to your colleagues to support you, explain the verse which reads,' there is no god except the one god' (573).
You can submit, or turn arrogant
You are a submitter, or a warrior
The straight path, or the crooked path
Peace or War
Love or Hatred
Light or Darkness
Good or evil
One God or many gods
Whole and unified or secular and divided
Reality or fiction
Soulful or soulless
Purified or uncleanWhat do you think of the following verse then...
(573)There is no god except the one god.
Don't think you know the Quran better than a native, and someone with a PHD, and last but not least verifiably a messenger of God, Dr. Khalifa.!
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In the game of chess they think the white are superior and the dark inferior, they create clauses of superiority, demeaning the actions of other cultures and people, claiming they are more superior, then there is the transparant, the invisible beings which side they are on, behind the white is 666, and the experiment of misery, behind the dark horse is 11/11, four ones, four aces, the fourth dimension, the Do No, the space time and atomic structure, the all three. the triangle with 3 triangles inside. the tetrahedron, the triangular pyramid, the quest of happiness. The line in between is the fifth, the five fingers, the five pillars of Islam, making circumcision questionable, as Islam only has five pillars, who knows, there are those who question whether it is an innovation, or whether it was part of the test instructed on Abraham. They chopped many parts of the Bible, like when it states Hagar was found with a well in the desert, but does not show the miracle behind it nor show Ishmael was Abraham's first son, so how can Christian claim the sacrifice was for the Children of Israel and Jesus was the lamb, because he came from the Children of Israel, and it was fulfillment? They are astray as firstly they argue God can advocate sin through Abraham's dream, that money is more powerful than God, that gold is more precious than water, that evil is real, with the crucifixion of Jesus. Continuously scaring people with illusions of evil, in novels and movies, to use propaganda to make them steeple or terrorist. To work through evil, and to argue people can find first cause and to believe in WAR. Satan has no power over those who devote to God alone, he only has power over those who choose him as a master and a lord, as the Quran teaches.
Those who purify themselves , those who are unclean
Those who submit, those who turn arrogant
Those who believe in one God, those who believe in many gods
Those who recognise an intelligent design, those who attempt to create an order of pyramids of those who sell their souls
The tetrahedron or the Trinity
The reverence or the blasphemy
Right or wrong
Truth or falsehood
Good or evil
Light or darkness
Water or gold
Reality or fiction
Whole and unified or secular and divided
Kindness or money
Charity or usury
Innocence or corruptionJust because you took the white pieces doesn't mean you have any advantage, other than to go first, and then we see what you do and what you are capable of, and what you cannot deny as a result of. Like the magicians who threw first, and thought they would be paid, but when Moses' staff swallowed what they produced an illusion of, they fell prostrate and believed in the Lord of Aaron and Moses
Just as they pretend in this world, with their illusions, through gold and fiction, so also in reality those who are close to God attain ranks, The dark horse is part of the Kingdom of God, not part of the Masonic New World Order.
11/11 or 666
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You haven't directly answered that question yet, actually... And I have been following this thread, we all thought you were some atheist, that's what interest us, but it turned out you had some other BS. And I would like you, if you don't mind to explain it again, if you have really.
What do you think of the following verse then...
(573)There is no god except the one god.
Don't think you know the Quran better than a native speaker of Arabic, and someone with a Ph.D, and last but not least verifiably a messenger of God, Dr. Khalifa.
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Like I said I have been following this thread, what interested me was the atheistic thread title, but realisign you have innovated some new BS, I would like finally conclude, will you provide an answer to the following
What do you think of the following verse then...
(572)There is no god except the one god.
Okay you can't explain from what I gathered so far from the thread, you think Allah implies or means there is no god, or the one who is not god, or al - the, alazi - that which is, lah - god. But you turn round and say allah al la alazi lah, the not that which is god. Which is quite innovative, and implies you are Satan. Because from the above verse it is clear God, Allah, says in the Quran in reference to the Trinity, there is no god except the one god. This verse uses lah twice one to say no god and the other to say the god.
Firstly you are innovating secondly you are astray, thirdly you gain wrath for trying to attribute to God a lie.
You are Satan! Servant of the light (skin) i.e white race.
Just as the Nazi the Ashkenazi Jews, the hypocrites, thought of stealing one of the most important symbols in the world from the Hind, and give to their Racist idealogue, due to their evil and Satanic influence, now they take the name of the Lord, Great and Glorious, and try and give it to atheism.
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Salaam asubmitter,
it is adequately explained within the thread, if you really wanted to understand correctly you are free to read more on the topic on my website, but I realise you are not really interested in what I'm explaining, you just want to be noticed, I haven't the time or interest to exchange posts with a fool.
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Abdun Nur's position is very clear. The wording may be confusing and indicate innovation but it is not the case. God as an entity separate from the universe and overseeing it does not exist. Rather the universe is contained within the creator, there is no method to distinguish the act of the creator from any phenomenon of the universe. Thus people say that "God does not exist because there is no proof of his existence" but these people are looking for apples in a basket of oranges. They would find their search more fruitful if they looked around at all the oranges in the basket and realised that they exist.
Indeed, calling God a mere God (as opposed to THE *) does absolutely no justice to the creator's magnitude;
573 - He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Immanent and He has full knowledge of all things.
2262 - That is because Allah - He is the Reality; and those besides Him whom they invoke,- they are but vain Falsehood verily Allah is He, Most High, Most Great.Indeed, the creator is the ONLY thing in existence.
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Salaam asubmitter,
it is adequately explained within the thread, if you really wanted to understand correctly you are free to read more on the topic on my website, but I realise you are not really interested in what I'm explaining, you just want to be noticed, I haven't the time or interest to exchange posts with a fool.
You're the fool Abdun Nur, with your old Satanist trick, to know yourself is to know your enemy. I'm not the starting a discussion titled 'there is no God' on a Muslim forum. Joke!
You want me to scroll through 14 pages, searching for the gem to your wisdom, when you lack both wisdom and truth, instead use false atheistic understanding and attribute them to Islam, just as the Nazis did with the Hindu symbol, known as the swastika. If you have any faith in your words, why not re-iterate them, you are only afraid to be laughed at, which is what would happen.
And you OPF do not attribute to God lies, and fabrications, it is false to attribute to God lies, when you make false admissions and interpretations. You wanna emphasise physics, the solid reality, the action, when there is the will and the thought.
For the truth is God has three attributes, The Omniscient, The Omnipotent and the Omnipresent, which are manifest in all aspects of creation. If you wish to emphasise like Abdun Nur physics, it is only one of three sciences, if you wish to believe in what you see, it is one of the arts, but where most are stumped between life and death, they forget the eternal, and they forget the Reckoning. The knowledge of everything, the power of nothing, the wisdom of the eternal. But most Westerners are stuck between the all about life of the Old Testament and the death of the New Testament, and disregard and are ignorant concerning the Final Testament. Faith in prophecies, belief in miracles, and devotion to mathematics.
You were laughed at back then, and you will be laughed at again!
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And you OPF do not attribute to God lies, and fabrications, it is false to attribute to God lies, when you make false admissions and interpretations. You wanna emphasise physics, the solid reality, the action, when there is the will and the thought.
Apologies, let me put my money where my mouth is
478 - Wherever you are, death will overtake you, though you are in lofty towers, and if a benefit comes to them, they say This is from Allah; and if a misfortune befalls them, they say This is from you. Say All is from Allah, but what is the matter with these people that they do not make approach to understanding what is told (them)?
Your call. Please point out the "lies and fabrications", I would be very happy and more so eternally grateful if you could demolish an iota of falsehood regarding the creator I have.
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Salaam OPF,
I think asubmitter is either a flamer (someone who likes to insult and attack without reason or logic) or is just plain nuts, I wouldn't waste your time attempting to reason with him, it's a hiding to nothing, best to ignore such insanity, and you expressed my view quiet concisely in your reply to him, there is little else to say to him, you were clear enough. Just a suggestion, but you might like a challenge.
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I don't like throwing around the hardcore quranic verses but I am slowly getting tired of this niggling problem that is a scourge upon humanity;
316 - And of men is he who takes instead frivolous discourse to lead astray from Allah's path without knowledge, and to take it for a mockery; these shall have an abasing chastisement.
317 - And when Our communications are recited to him, he turns back proudly, as if he had not heard them, as though in his ears were a heaviness, therefore announce to him a painful chastisement.
Vain discourse, there is so much of it. It fills our brains with shit.
Nothing personal against mr submitter - Rather, I find it deeply disturbing how humanity has descended to such a level of filth that we can agree with each other completely in terms of what we say yet want to kill each other over trivialities.
One thing I still don't understand and we have talked, is why you don't acknowledge conventional physics. Now I understand that the majority of the forefront is inevitably lost in "vain discourse" but the backbone, the proven fact that is undeniable because it is so in your face is so elegant and beautiful that I could not honestly say anyone invented them but rather, they were discovered, the creator is the inventor. In fact most of your blog is conventional physics in laymen's terms from a spiritual perspective (just the way I like it!).
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I have a question Abdun Nur.
I simply use God/The God in my discussions due to the language im writing in. If I use Allah I feel that I am creating an arabic God.
So my question is Does it really matter what we call Him? Is it not the understanding behind the word that is of more importance rather than the name?? There are verses in the quran that allow us to call Him beautiful names.
So I think when you say there is no God and I say there is. It all boils down to what we define God to be and I believe not everyone believes like me that God is the christian concept sitting in the sky. peace
PEACE
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Salaam Prince,
where in the Qur'an does it ask you to use Allah, it does not, as you say it directs the use of attributes, it says the most Merciful, the Sustainer, the Creator, the most Beneficent, the most Compassionate, etc. we are directed to use the attributes of Allah in reference to the single consciousness that manifest all reality instant to instant.
If you use a name you make the single manifesting force a thing it cannot be, the single consciousness is all that exists, you cannot name the only thing in existence, it is the only thing, it incorporates all things, nothing is the only state without this manifestation.
There is no God, there has never been and could never be a God, as this means you have a creator and a creation, which is impossible.
You can only have a constant manifestation instant to instant, the creator never stops the creation, there is no resting as the Christian Sun worshippers foundation suggests, there is no watching over a finished construct, it is an active generation, therefore no God can ever exist, it would be within the manifesting thought of the single consciousness, this means it is impossible to have a God.
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Salaam All ;D
Sorry for the late reply...very interesting thread. I too am also on the journey to find the truth (of the essence of our sustainer, (glory be to Allah, the most merciful)). I am simply a submitter so far, and have not yet attained absolute faith. I am authenticating each doubt to myself, one at a time.As a young Electrical Engineer (btw, my job title is RF Engineer, so I aint no n00b either) who understands Maxwell's Equations very well & loves physics, I actually really enjoyed reading Abdun Nur's articles Time Explained, Supreme Existence, & Transfinite Consciousness (read in that order)...Still, your ideas (of physics) are indeed very confusing, yet you are so bold that you even challenge the law of conservation of energy!! I would like to further study your ideas (to confirm it is or is not BS)...I will eventually dissect each of those articles one statement at a time... and challenge your understanding ...when I am not feeling lazy P
In the mean time, I have a question
Peace
Abdunur, can you please explain the point abdalquran made...
abdalquran on 03/25/2010, 1047PM
Quran 2/163 And your god is One god There is no god but He, Most Gracious, Most MercifulHere the word Allah is not mentioned at all. So there IS an ilah and he is ONE ilah. THAT'S what it means by 'laa ilaha
illa huw'.
I apologise if you've already explained it and I missed it.
Salaam nsws1988,
patience.
^ Actually, was this answered? I've read every post on this thread, didn't see the answer anywhere... Perhaps I missed it? hmm
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Salaam Prince,
where in the Qur'an does it ask you to use Allah, it does not, as you say it directs the use of attributes, it says the most Merciful, the Sustainer, the Creator, the most Beneficent, the most Compassionate, etc. we are directed to use the attributes of Allah in reference to the single consciousness that manifest all reality instant to instant.
If you use a name you make the single manifesting force a thing it cannot be, the single consciousness is all that exists, you cannot name the only thing in existence, it is the only thing, it incorporates all things, nothing is the only state without this manifestation.
There is no God, there has never been and could never be a God, as this means you have a creator and a creation, which is impossible.
You can only have a constant manifestation instant to instant, the creator never stops the creation, there is no resting as the Christian Sun worshippers foundation suggests, there is no watching over a finished construct, it is an active generation, therefore no God can ever exist, it would be within the manifesting thought of the single consciousness, this means it is impossible to have a God.
I spent the day reading through this entire thread, and the ideas presented by AN are interesting. I have to say it does seem weird to start a thread and then be a total jerk to every person who responds.
Aside from that, What do you think of the text from 17111? I do not know Arabic, but what is this verse asking us to praise? Does it not say god? It seems awkward in english to say praise be to the not-god. I have always felt that Allah was just as you described, which is everything, but how can the Qu'ran say we will return to him if we are not at least temporarily separate?
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Was-Salaam,
Salaam,
"And your the one to serve, being the one and only one to serve, no one to serve other than the One(him), the most merciful, the especially merciful" 2163Nice answer. Ok, I will accept that as a possible solution (for now...) since I don't speak Arabic yet, and therefore can not argue on linguistics)
(btw, according to Quranic Arabic Corpus in 171113 its talking about a proper noun... too bad you guys haven't translated ch.17 yet... I would like to know how you guys translate 17111...)P.S., For future reference
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Ok, having that answered, here are my 2 cents....
My primary language is english, even so, I try not to use words I don't yet understand (ie God, Allah); instead, I prefer phrases like "the creator" or "our sustainer" or "the most merciful" or "the most powerful" etc. etc. etc. (Glory be to Allah, the most merciful). However, sometimes i'm lazy, so I use the word "God", instead of wasting others' time explaining something which even I don't fully yet understand. This is because the word "God" is a blackbox or wildcard for many.
Salaam David K,
...God has a conceptual meaning, and Allah has a different conceptual meaning, the too in many aspects stand in direct opposition, how can this be equivalent...It CAN infact be equivalent; Just because Abdun Nur thinks "God"= x, it doesn't mean that David's concept of "God" is x too; for David, "God" = y. The word "God" is not well defined...everyone has a different concept of what the english word "God" means.
Some people claim God Love, some claim God trinity, quraish of the 600a.d. claimed God a supernatural being, and in english Muslims define God Allah. This ofcorase works the other way around as well Arab Christians today use the word Allah to describe their sky-God ("Allah" is also used in the Arabic bible, old and new testament).
So, Abdur Nur, is this what you are trying to say
- There is no sky-God; there is however only a No-God/Not-God i.e. Allah?
- When speaking in english, never use the word "God" when talking about Allah (even if in your own mind, God Allah)?
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