There is No God.
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Salaam asubmitter,
it is adequately explained within the thread, if you really wanted to understand correctly you are free to read more on the topic on my website, but I realise you are not really interested in what I'm explaining, you just want to be noticed, I haven't the time or interest to exchange posts with a fool.
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Abdun Nur's position is very clear. The wording may be confusing and indicate innovation but it is not the case. God as an entity separate from the universe and overseeing it does not exist. Rather the universe is contained within the creator, there is no method to distinguish the act of the creator from any phenomenon of the universe. Thus people say that "God does not exist because there is no proof of his existence" but these people are looking for apples in a basket of oranges. They would find their search more fruitful if they looked around at all the oranges in the basket and realised that they exist.
Indeed, calling God a mere God (as opposed to THE *) does absolutely no justice to the creator's magnitude;
573 - He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Immanent and He has full knowledge of all things.
2262 - That is because Allah - He is the Reality; and those besides Him whom they invoke,- they are but vain Falsehood verily Allah is He, Most High, Most Great.Indeed, the creator is the ONLY thing in existence.
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Salaam asubmitter,
it is adequately explained within the thread, if you really wanted to understand correctly you are free to read more on the topic on my website, but I realise you are not really interested in what I'm explaining, you just want to be noticed, I haven't the time or interest to exchange posts with a fool.
You're the fool Abdun Nur, with your old Satanist trick, to know yourself is to know your enemy. I'm not the starting a discussion titled 'there is no God' on a Muslim forum. Joke!
You want me to scroll through 14 pages, searching for the gem to your wisdom, when you lack both wisdom and truth, instead use false atheistic understanding and attribute them to Islam, just as the Nazis did with the Hindu symbol, known as the swastika. If you have any faith in your words, why not re-iterate them, you are only afraid to be laughed at, which is what would happen.
And you OPF do not attribute to God lies, and fabrications, it is false to attribute to God lies, when you make false admissions and interpretations. You wanna emphasise physics, the solid reality, the action, when there is the will and the thought.
For the truth is God has three attributes, The Omniscient, The Omnipotent and the Omnipresent, which are manifest in all aspects of creation. If you wish to emphasise like Abdun Nur physics, it is only one of three sciences, if you wish to believe in what you see, it is one of the arts, but where most are stumped between life and death, they forget the eternal, and they forget the Reckoning. The knowledge of everything, the power of nothing, the wisdom of the eternal. But most Westerners are stuck between the all about life of the Old Testament and the death of the New Testament, and disregard and are ignorant concerning the Final Testament. Faith in prophecies, belief in miracles, and devotion to mathematics.
You were laughed at back then, and you will be laughed at again!
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And you OPF do not attribute to God lies, and fabrications, it is false to attribute to God lies, when you make false admissions and interpretations. You wanna emphasise physics, the solid reality, the action, when there is the will and the thought.
Apologies, let me put my money where my mouth is
478 - Wherever you are, death will overtake you, though you are in lofty towers, and if a benefit comes to them, they say This is from Allah; and if a misfortune befalls them, they say This is from you. Say All is from Allah, but what is the matter with these people that they do not make approach to understanding what is told (them)?
Your call. Please point out the "lies and fabrications", I would be very happy and more so eternally grateful if you could demolish an iota of falsehood regarding the creator I have.
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Salaam OPF,
I think asubmitter is either a flamer (someone who likes to insult and attack without reason or logic) or is just plain nuts, I wouldn't waste your time attempting to reason with him, it's a hiding to nothing, best to ignore such insanity, and you expressed my view quiet concisely in your reply to him, there is little else to say to him, you were clear enough. Just a suggestion, but you might like a challenge.
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I don't like throwing around the hardcore quranic verses but I am slowly getting tired of this niggling problem that is a scourge upon humanity;
316 - And of men is he who takes instead frivolous discourse to lead astray from Allah's path without knowledge, and to take it for a mockery; these shall have an abasing chastisement.
317 - And when Our communications are recited to him, he turns back proudly, as if he had not heard them, as though in his ears were a heaviness, therefore announce to him a painful chastisement.
Vain discourse, there is so much of it. It fills our brains with shit.
Nothing personal against mr submitter - Rather, I find it deeply disturbing how humanity has descended to such a level of filth that we can agree with each other completely in terms of what we say yet want to kill each other over trivialities.
One thing I still don't understand and we have talked, is why you don't acknowledge conventional physics. Now I understand that the majority of the forefront is inevitably lost in "vain discourse" but the backbone, the proven fact that is undeniable because it is so in your face is so elegant and beautiful that I could not honestly say anyone invented them but rather, they were discovered, the creator is the inventor. In fact most of your blog is conventional physics in laymen's terms from a spiritual perspective (just the way I like it!).
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I have a question Abdun Nur.
I simply use God/The God in my discussions due to the language im writing in. If I use Allah I feel that I am creating an arabic God.
So my question is Does it really matter what we call Him? Is it not the understanding behind the word that is of more importance rather than the name?? There are verses in the quran that allow us to call Him beautiful names.
So I think when you say there is no God and I say there is. It all boils down to what we define God to be and I believe not everyone believes like me that God is the christian concept sitting in the sky. peace
PEACE
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Salaam Prince,
where in the Qur'an does it ask you to use Allah, it does not, as you say it directs the use of attributes, it says the most Merciful, the Sustainer, the Creator, the most Beneficent, the most Compassionate, etc. we are directed to use the attributes of Allah in reference to the single consciousness that manifest all reality instant to instant.
If you use a name you make the single manifesting force a thing it cannot be, the single consciousness is all that exists, you cannot name the only thing in existence, it is the only thing, it incorporates all things, nothing is the only state without this manifestation.
There is no God, there has never been and could never be a God, as this means you have a creator and a creation, which is impossible.
You can only have a constant manifestation instant to instant, the creator never stops the creation, there is no resting as the Christian Sun worshippers foundation suggests, there is no watching over a finished construct, it is an active generation, therefore no God can ever exist, it would be within the manifesting thought of the single consciousness, this means it is impossible to have a God.
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Salaam All ;D
Sorry for the late reply...very interesting thread. I too am also on the journey to find the truth (of the essence of our sustainer, (glory be to Allah, the most merciful)). I am simply a submitter so far, and have not yet attained absolute faith. I am authenticating each doubt to myself, one at a time.As a young Electrical Engineer (btw, my job title is RF Engineer, so I aint no n00b either) who understands Maxwell's Equations very well & loves physics, I actually really enjoyed reading Abdun Nur's articles Time Explained, Supreme Existence, & Transfinite Consciousness (read in that order)...Still, your ideas (of physics) are indeed very confusing, yet you are so bold that you even challenge the law of conservation of energy!! I would like to further study your ideas (to confirm it is or is not BS)...I will eventually dissect each of those articles one statement at a time... and challenge your understanding ...when I am not feeling lazy P
In the mean time, I have a question
Peace
Abdunur, can you please explain the point abdalquran made...
abdalquran on 03/25/2010, 1047PM
Quran 2/163 And your god is One god There is no god but He, Most Gracious, Most MercifulHere the word Allah is not mentioned at all. So there IS an ilah and he is ONE ilah. THAT'S what it means by 'laa ilaha
illa huw'.
I apologise if you've already explained it and I missed it.
Salaam nsws1988,
patience.
^ Actually, was this answered? I've read every post on this thread, didn't see the answer anywhere... Perhaps I missed it? hmm
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Salaam Prince,
where in the Qur'an does it ask you to use Allah, it does not, as you say it directs the use of attributes, it says the most Merciful, the Sustainer, the Creator, the most Beneficent, the most Compassionate, etc. we are directed to use the attributes of Allah in reference to the single consciousness that manifest all reality instant to instant.
If you use a name you make the single manifesting force a thing it cannot be, the single consciousness is all that exists, you cannot name the only thing in existence, it is the only thing, it incorporates all things, nothing is the only state without this manifestation.
There is no God, there has never been and could never be a God, as this means you have a creator and a creation, which is impossible.
You can only have a constant manifestation instant to instant, the creator never stops the creation, there is no resting as the Christian Sun worshippers foundation suggests, there is no watching over a finished construct, it is an active generation, therefore no God can ever exist, it would be within the manifesting thought of the single consciousness, this means it is impossible to have a God.
I spent the day reading through this entire thread, and the ideas presented by AN are interesting. I have to say it does seem weird to start a thread and then be a total jerk to every person who responds.
Aside from that, What do you think of the text from 17111? I do not know Arabic, but what is this verse asking us to praise? Does it not say god? It seems awkward in english to say praise be to the not-god. I have always felt that Allah was just as you described, which is everything, but how can the Qu'ran say we will return to him if we are not at least temporarily separate?
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Was-Salaam,
Salaam,
"And your the one to serve, being the one and only one to serve, no one to serve other than the One(him), the most merciful, the especially merciful" 2163Nice answer. Ok, I will accept that as a possible solution (for now...) since I don't speak Arabic yet, and therefore can not argue on linguistics)
(btw, according to Quranic Arabic Corpus in 171113 its talking about a proper noun... too bad you guys haven't translated ch.17 yet... I would like to know how you guys translate 17111...)P.S., For future reference
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Ok, having that answered, here are my 2 cents....
My primary language is english, even so, I try not to use words I don't yet understand (ie God, Allah); instead, I prefer phrases like "the creator" or "our sustainer" or "the most merciful" or "the most powerful" etc. etc. etc. (Glory be to Allah, the most merciful). However, sometimes i'm lazy, so I use the word "God", instead of wasting others' time explaining something which even I don't fully yet understand. This is because the word "God" is a blackbox or wildcard for many.
Salaam David K,
...God has a conceptual meaning, and Allah has a different conceptual meaning, the too in many aspects stand in direct opposition, how can this be equivalent...It CAN infact be equivalent; Just because Abdun Nur thinks "God"= x, it doesn't mean that David's concept of "God" is x too; for David, "God" = y. The word "God" is not well defined...everyone has a different concept of what the english word "God" means.
Some people claim God Love, some claim God trinity, quraish of the 600a.d. claimed God a supernatural being, and in english Muslims define God Allah. This ofcorase works the other way around as well Arab Christians today use the word Allah to describe their sky-God ("Allah" is also used in the Arabic bible, old and new testament).
So, Abdur Nur, is this what you are trying to say
- There is no sky-God; there is however only a No-God/Not-God i.e. Allah?
- When speaking in english, never use the word "God" when talking about Allah (even if in your own mind, God Allah)?
Regards handshake
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Salaam Prince,
where in the Qur'an does it ask you to use Allah, it does not, as you say it directs the use of attributes, it says the most Merciful, the Sustainer, the Creator, the most Beneficent, the most Compassionate, etc. we are directed to use the attributes of Allah in reference to the single consciousness that manifest all reality instant to instant.
If you use a name you make the single manifesting force a thing it cannot be, the single consciousness is all that exists, you cannot name the only thing in existence, it is the only thing, it incorporates all things, nothing is the only state without this manifestation.
There is no God, there has never been and could never be a God, as this means you have a creator and a creation, which is impossible.
You can only have a constant manifestation instant to instant, the creator never stops the creation, there is no resting as the Christian Sun worshippers foundation suggests, there is no watching over a finished construct, it is an active generation, therefore no God can ever exist, it would be within the manifesting thought of the single consciousness, this means it is impossible to have a God.
Good post.
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where in the Qur'an does it ask you to use Allah, it does not,
2240 and masajid is mentioned in it name of Allah
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2240 and masajid is mentioned in it name of Allah
The name of ALLAH is different to "ALLAH". ALLAH is that without a name, that with no likeness.
To give ALLAH a name is to commit grave injustice. Shirk.
Achintya Bheda Abheda!
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It CAN infact be equivalent; Just because Abdun Nur thinks "God"= x, it doesn't mean that David's concept of "God" is x too; for David, "God" = y. The word "God" is not well defined...everyone has a different concept of what the english word "God" means.
Some people claim God Love, some claim God trinity, quraish of the 600a.d. claimed God a supernatural being, and in english Muslims define God Allah. This ofcorase works the other way around as well Arab Christians today use the word Allah to describe their sky-God ("Allah" is also used in the Arabic bible, old and new testament).
So, Abdur Nur, is this what you are trying to say
- There is no sky-God; there is however only a No-God/Not-God i.e. Allah?
- When speaking in english, never use the word "God" when talking about Allah (even if in your own mind, God Allah)?
Regards handshake
This is exactly what I'm pointing out too. Just because x thinks God is a sky God doesn't mean that we can't use that particular word anymore. My conceptual meaning of God = conceptual meaning of Allah so there is a God and only one.
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Did anyone in here ever try reading the Tao Te Ching?
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The name of ALLAH is different to "ALLAH". ALLAH is that without a name, that with no likeness.
To give ALLAH a name is to commit grave injustice. Shirk.
Achintya Bheda Abheda!
What about 6121, And do not eat from that which the name of God has not been mentioned, for it is wickedness. And the devils they inspire their supporters to argue with you; and if you obey them, then you are polytheists.
What are we supposed to mention if saying the name of God is shirk? I don't think Allah would command us to commit shirk.
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Did anyone in here ever try reading the Tao Te Ching?
Yes.