There is No God.
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Salaam All ;D
Sorry for the late reply...very interesting thread. I too am also on the journey to find the truth (of the essence of our sustainer, (glory be to Allah, the most merciful)). I am simply a submitter so far, and have not yet attained absolute faith. I am authenticating each doubt to myself, one at a time.As a young Electrical Engineer (btw, my job title is RF Engineer, so I aint no n00b either) who understands Maxwell's Equations very well & loves physics, I actually really enjoyed reading Abdun Nur's articles Time Explained, Supreme Existence, & Transfinite Consciousness (read in that order)...Still, your ideas (of physics) are indeed very confusing, yet you are so bold that you even challenge the law of conservation of energy!! I would like to further study your ideas (to confirm it is or is not BS)...I will eventually dissect each of those articles one statement at a time... and challenge your understanding ...when I am not feeling lazy P
In the mean time, I have a question
Peace
Abdunur, can you please explain the point abdalquran made...
abdalquran on 03/25/2010, 1047PM
Quran 2/163 And your god is One god There is no god but He, Most Gracious, Most MercifulHere the word Allah is not mentioned at all. So there IS an ilah and he is ONE ilah. THAT'S what it means by 'laa ilaha
illa huw'.
I apologise if you've already explained it and I missed it.
Salaam nsws1988,
patience.
^ Actually, was this answered? I've read every post on this thread, didn't see the answer anywhere... Perhaps I missed it? hmm
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Salaam Prince,
where in the Qur'an does it ask you to use Allah, it does not, as you say it directs the use of attributes, it says the most Merciful, the Sustainer, the Creator, the most Beneficent, the most Compassionate, etc. we are directed to use the attributes of Allah in reference to the single consciousness that manifest all reality instant to instant.
If you use a name you make the single manifesting force a thing it cannot be, the single consciousness is all that exists, you cannot name the only thing in existence, it is the only thing, it incorporates all things, nothing is the only state without this manifestation.
There is no God, there has never been and could never be a God, as this means you have a creator and a creation, which is impossible.
You can only have a constant manifestation instant to instant, the creator never stops the creation, there is no resting as the Christian Sun worshippers foundation suggests, there is no watching over a finished construct, it is an active generation, therefore no God can ever exist, it would be within the manifesting thought of the single consciousness, this means it is impossible to have a God.
I spent the day reading through this entire thread, and the ideas presented by AN are interesting. I have to say it does seem weird to start a thread and then be a total jerk to every person who responds.
Aside from that, What do you think of the text from 17111? I do not know Arabic, but what is this verse asking us to praise? Does it not say god? It seems awkward in english to say praise be to the not-god. I have always felt that Allah was just as you described, which is everything, but how can the Qu'ran say we will return to him if we are not at least temporarily separate?
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Was-Salaam,
Salaam,
"And your the one to serve, being the one and only one to serve, no one to serve other than the One(him), the most merciful, the especially merciful" 2163Nice answer. Ok, I will accept that as a possible solution (for now...) since I don't speak Arabic yet, and therefore can not argue on linguistics)
(btw, according to Quranic Arabic Corpus in 171113 its talking about a proper noun... too bad you guys haven't translated ch.17 yet... I would like to know how you guys translate 17111...)P.S., For future reference
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Ok, having that answered, here are my 2 cents....
My primary language is english, even so, I try not to use words I don't yet understand (ie God, Allah); instead, I prefer phrases like "the creator" or "our sustainer" or "the most merciful" or "the most powerful" etc. etc. etc. (Glory be to Allah, the most merciful). However, sometimes i'm lazy, so I use the word "God", instead of wasting others' time explaining something which even I don't fully yet understand. This is because the word "God" is a blackbox or wildcard for many.
Salaam David K,
...God has a conceptual meaning, and Allah has a different conceptual meaning, the too in many aspects stand in direct opposition, how can this be equivalent...It CAN infact be equivalent; Just because Abdun Nur thinks "God"= x, it doesn't mean that David's concept of "God" is x too; for David, "God" = y. The word "God" is not well defined...everyone has a different concept of what the english word "God" means.
Some people claim God Love, some claim God trinity, quraish of the 600a.d. claimed God a supernatural being, and in english Muslims define God Allah. This ofcorase works the other way around as well Arab Christians today use the word Allah to describe their sky-God ("Allah" is also used in the Arabic bible, old and new testament).
So, Abdur Nur, is this what you are trying to say
- There is no sky-God; there is however only a No-God/Not-God i.e. Allah?
- When speaking in english, never use the word "God" when talking about Allah (even if in your own mind, God Allah)?
Regards handshake
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Salaam Prince,
where in the Qur'an does it ask you to use Allah, it does not, as you say it directs the use of attributes, it says the most Merciful, the Sustainer, the Creator, the most Beneficent, the most Compassionate, etc. we are directed to use the attributes of Allah in reference to the single consciousness that manifest all reality instant to instant.
If you use a name you make the single manifesting force a thing it cannot be, the single consciousness is all that exists, you cannot name the only thing in existence, it is the only thing, it incorporates all things, nothing is the only state without this manifestation.
There is no God, there has never been and could never be a God, as this means you have a creator and a creation, which is impossible.
You can only have a constant manifestation instant to instant, the creator never stops the creation, there is no resting as the Christian Sun worshippers foundation suggests, there is no watching over a finished construct, it is an active generation, therefore no God can ever exist, it would be within the manifesting thought of the single consciousness, this means it is impossible to have a God.
Good post.
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where in the Qur'an does it ask you to use Allah, it does not,
2240 and masajid is mentioned in it name of Allah
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2240 and masajid is mentioned in it name of Allah
The name of ALLAH is different to "ALLAH". ALLAH is that without a name, that with no likeness.
To give ALLAH a name is to commit grave injustice. Shirk.
Achintya Bheda Abheda!
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It CAN infact be equivalent; Just because Abdun Nur thinks "God"= x, it doesn't mean that David's concept of "God" is x too; for David, "God" = y. The word "God" is not well defined...everyone has a different concept of what the english word "God" means.
Some people claim God Love, some claim God trinity, quraish of the 600a.d. claimed God a supernatural being, and in english Muslims define God Allah. This ofcorase works the other way around as well Arab Christians today use the word Allah to describe their sky-God ("Allah" is also used in the Arabic bible, old and new testament).
So, Abdur Nur, is this what you are trying to say
- There is no sky-God; there is however only a No-God/Not-God i.e. Allah?
- When speaking in english, never use the word "God" when talking about Allah (even if in your own mind, God Allah)?
Regards handshake
This is exactly what I'm pointing out too. Just because x thinks God is a sky God doesn't mean that we can't use that particular word anymore. My conceptual meaning of God = conceptual meaning of Allah so there is a God and only one.
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Did anyone in here ever try reading the Tao Te Ching?
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The name of ALLAH is different to "ALLAH". ALLAH is that without a name, that with no likeness.
To give ALLAH a name is to commit grave injustice. Shirk.
Achintya Bheda Abheda!
What about 6121, And do not eat from that which the name of God has not been mentioned, for it is wickedness. And the devils they inspire their supporters to argue with you; and if you obey them, then you are polytheists.
What are we supposed to mention if saying the name of God is shirk? I don't think Allah would command us to commit shirk.
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Did anyone in here ever try reading the Tao Te Ching?
Yes.
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What about 6121, And do not eat from that which the name of God has not been mentioned, for it is wickedness. And the devils they inspire their supporters to argue with you; and if you obey them, then you are polytheists.
What are we supposed to mention if saying the name of God is shirk? I don't think Allah would command us to commit shirk.
ALLAH provides energy for everything. The name of ALLAH is boundless, you cannot physically speak it! How can you as a human being when that is what created that?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13069.msg273406#msg273406
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ALLAH provides energy for everything. The name of ALLAH is boundless, you cannot physically speak it! How can you as a human being when that is what created that?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13069.msg273406#msg273406
I don't really understand your reply. The verse clearly mentions that which Allah's name has been pronounced. But you say you cannot physically speak it. Calling Allah's name boundless doesn't answer the question.
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Peace Abdun Nur,
the foundation of Islam is this statement, There is No God, why then do Muslims continue to express belief in a God, have they failed to grasp the concept of God; Allah has no problem with the concept of God, and Allah has asked every Muslim to understand There is No God, before understanding any other idea, the very foundation of Islam, and this foundation is not understood.
The foundation of Islam is 'La ilaha illa Allah' not 'La ilah'
I think it's unfair of you to cut this statement thereby changing it's meaning completely; 'There is no deity/god except God' is the statement, not 'There is no deity/god' I don't there is any confusion on this matter.
Maybe we should argue the foundation of Islam is the statement 'No' D
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In fact, it's Al Lah. Two words.
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Salaam Arkan,
I never said you were a Muslim, nor a friend to any Muslim, I said you were not.
Salaam shadowpuppet,
your fact requires some proof, please provide. If you wish to prove a contradiction within the Qur'an with your facts that you say stands against the physical evidence of creation it will require some evidence.
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There are also many false facts in the hadith about God, like he will expose his leg to the muslims on the day of days, lol.
Lol. That is outrageous. A foot, and a dirty set of sneakers, atop the stars. Now that I come to think of it, isn't it part of sunnism to believe in a visible God?
There is no idol on a cloud, however there is an almighty lifeforce, called Allah. (Or God, Tao, Brahman, etc..)