Proof Qur'an-alone is Error
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Peace "Badr",
do you expect the prophet to give you a scientific review or a college thesis about the subject ? we all know flies transport germs, we now know they also produce antibiotics for the germs they are in contact with, this is more than enough especially when it has been said 1400 years ago.
JK- 1st I dont beleive any of this was actually said by the Prophet but if he did I expect to when he mentions something specific as to one wing of a fly containing the disease and the other the cure, to be correct in what it states as such whic it is not. IF the hadith would have said "In a fly you'd find much disease but also it's cure" then the hadith would be correct and somewhat noteworthy. It doesnt say that. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- I expect the Prophet to when he mentions something specific as to one wing of a fly containing the disease and the other the cure, to be correct in what it states as such whic it is not. IF the hadith would have said "In a fly you'd find much disease but also it's cure" then the hadith would be correct and somewhat noteworthy. It doesnt say that. GOD Bless!
you are hard to satisfy )
we'll settle this point in a few years when science will advance to find that the antidote is in fact on the wing.
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Peace "Badr",
you are hard to satisfy )
we'll settle this point in a few years when science will advance to find that the antidote is in fact on the wing.
JK- Sure if that were the case meaning that one particular wing in all natural occurring flies contains the anti dote alone and the other the cure alone, then this hadith would indeed be remarkable. But you can ask anyone who is specialized in the field and he/she will tell you that already both wings are farely equal in their distrbution of whatever substance and that no one wing stands out. GOD Bless!
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You said ""Nor does he speak out of desire. It is naught but revelation that is revealed," when he speaks it's revelation, it is a general sens right here, evry thing said by the prophet is revelation whether it's Quran or a "regular" saying."
Allah says Quran is complete and fully detailed and HE will explain it IN it. YOU are saying other things were revealed that are not in Quran and were written down later in hadith, which the prophet said IN those hadith NOT to do. Allah said Quran is the BEST hadith and you need NO other hadith after it, you say we do. So you do not believe Quran is a complete and fully detailed book fully explained BY Allah IN it. therefore you are saying Allah is a liar if you are right.
There are many more stories yes, by many people who cannot and could not have been verified. If you follow something you are told is from the prophet and it's not, the duty is on you to verify it, which you cannot. The ONLY thing Allah gave the prophet to give us is Quran, nothing else and the sunnah of Muhammed it IN Quran. He did not add anything nor take anything away from Quran, nor did he make haram or halal that which Allah did not. Hadith DO.and you have to go outside Quran for that? If he was a walking Quran then how he judged and taught by it is IN it, not in some other story made up later.
But why not? That is what YOU are saying we should do, why can't you do it?Because he is no longer here, and what we have is Quran so what we must follow is IN Quran because that is what he followed to the letter and was a 'walking Quran' as you have just said, so why do you need to go outside Quran to find how to follow what he followed? Why do you need to follow something else?
how do you know if cocaine is haram or halal ? is it mentionned in the quran ?
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Peace "Badr",
JK- Sure if that were the case meaning that one particular wing in all natural occurring flies contains the anti dote alone and the other the cure alone, then this hadith would indeed be remarkable. But you can ask anyone who is specialized in the field and he/she will tell you that already both wings are farely equal in their distrbution of whatever substance and that no one wing stands out. GOD Bless!
the fact that mohammed knew that it contains the disease and the antidote is already remarkable! don't you think?
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Peace "Badr",
the fact that mohammed knew that it contains the disease and the antidote is already remarkable! don't you think?
JK- Not necessarily because many living things as i said do contain some benefits for humans or cures for some disease. besides that this hadith sounds more like somebody wanting to make a mockery of the Prophet because everyone knows that just dumping a fly in some vessel and drinking it could cause a hell lot of diseases especially cholera. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- Not necessarily because many living things as i said do contain some benefits for humans or cures for some disease. besides that this hadith sounds more like somebody wanting to make a mockery of the Prophet because everyone knows that just dumping a fly in some vessel and drinking it could cause a hell lot of diseases especially cholera. GOD Bless!
you know what you have to do to prove your point a glass of water and a fly and there you go, if you catch something i'll join your movement guys
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Peace "Badr",
Khamr = covers the mind ? source?
JK- Look up the root meaning of the Arabic term "Kha Meem Ra" at www.studyquran.co.uk under "Search by root" and then "project root list", then click on the letter "kha" and then search for "Kha-Miim-Ra". Check the meanings under Lane's lexicon reference given below. The root of this word means "cover" and can also mean "head cover". Even sunnis/shiites agree with this so I wonder why you doubt this. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
you know what you have to do to prove your point a glass of water and a fly and there you go, if you catch something i'll join your movement guys
JK- It's not necessary that every fly gives you something but if flies are flying in a region where cholera is prevalent and you take those and dump them into your food or drink you can get seriously ill. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- Look up the root meaning of the Arabic term "Kha Meem Ra" at www.studyquran.co.uk under "Search by root" and then "project root list", then click on the letter "kha" and then search for "Kha-Miim-Ra". Check the meanings under Lane's lexicon reference given below. The root of this word means "cover" and can also mean "head cover". Even sunnis/shiites agree with this so I wonder why you doubt this. GOD Bless!
this proof is a joke khamr and khimar have the same letters but khamr never ever ever means veil of mind this is ridiculous.
http//www.wordreference.com/aren/%D8%AE%D9%85%D8%B1
wine
http//dictionary.babylon.com/arabic/
v. brew, ferment, raise, sour
n. wine, port, vintage, inebriant, booze, red, boose=Lingvosoft.com-online-form_sample&direction=1&status=translate&lang1=23&lang2=ar&source=wine
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Is it mentioned in Hadith?
Do either mention walking in front of a bus is dangeous?I have a brain, Allah tells me to use it.
the prophet said "evey intoxicant is wine and every wine is prohibited".
some persons need proofs, a brain could sometimes not be enough ; i red somewhere in this forum that even alcohol isnt haram.
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the prophet said "evey intoxicant is wine and every wine is prohibited".
cocaine is not wine, not every intoxicant is wine, so he was wrong.some persons need proofs, a brain could sometimes not be enough ; i red somewhere in this forum that even alcohol isnt haram.
Proof is Quran, what else do you need? How would I find proof cocaine was haram if its not in Quran or hadith, I assumed you couldn't find it
yes it seems sometimes just having a brain is not enough for some, mainly because they don't use it and leave the work to someone else so that someone else can tell them what to think and do. Fortunately I use mine and it works quite well.
As for alcohol the verses are pretty clearly a warning regarding over use or praying while you don't know what you're saying, presumably sloshed to the point of incoherrant. If it's totally haram why verse 16.67, why does 2.219 say there is some benefit and advises you what to spend on such things. Clearly spending the rent and food money on booze is haram but having a glass of wine after paying everything out doesnt seem to be and can be a benefit. Now do you want to discuss abrogation?
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As for alcohol the verses are pretty clearly a warning regarding over use or praying while you don't know what you're saying, presumably sloshed to the point of incoherrant. If it's totally haram why verse 16.67, why does 2.219 say there is some benefit and advises you what to spend on such things. Clearly spending the rent and food money on booze is haram but having a glass of wine after paying everything out doesnt seem to be and can be a benefit. Now do you want to discuss abrogation?
Every thing has been said, enjoy your glass of wine, may it be beneficial for you !
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Peace "Badr"
this proof is a joke khamr and khimar have the same letters but khamr never ever ever means veil of mind this is ridiculous.
http//www.wordreference.com/aren/%D8%AE%D9%85%D8%B1
wine
http//dictionary.babylon.com/arabic/
v. brew, ferment, raise, sour
n. wine, port, vintage, inebriant, booze, red, boose=Lingvosoft.com-online-form_sample&direction=1&status=translate&lang1=23&lang2=ar&source=wine
JK- If it's the same root it can be implied to mean any of what the root means. This is also because there is no law preventing "khamr" not being read like "khumr" gramatically and it doesnt change any letter. Also i dont understand what's your problem with this when even Sunnis/shias agree that Heroin, cocaine etc are haraam thereby. They dont get this from hadith since hadoth never claims them to be so. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
the prophet said "evey intoxicant is wine and every wine is prohibited".
some persons need proofs, a brain could sometimes not be enough ; i red somewhere in this forum that even alcohol isnt haram.
JK- Could you quote the hadith here and state which Arabic term was translated as "intoxicants" in that hadith? GOD Bless!
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Is it mentioned in detail in some hadith? Please quote that for general public benefit.
It was narrated by Al-Bukhari that Prophet Muhammad r said
(?Perform your Sal?h (prayers) in the same manner as you have seen me doing?).Therefore, here is the explanation for the Prophet?s manner of prayer To perform completely the Wudu (ablution), adopting the method commanded by Allah in the Qur??n
?O you who believe! When you intend to offer prayer, wash your faces and your hands (forearms) up to the elbows, rub (by passing wet hands over) your heads, and (wash) your feet up to ankles.?
The Prophet r said
(?Sal?h (prayer) without purification (ablution) is not accepted.?)To start the prayer follow these steps
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To turn one?s face and the whole body towards the Ka?ba, the Sacred House at Makkah, intending by heart to perform the prayer which he/she wants to fulfill, whether it is a Fard (obligatory) prayer or a Sunnah (optional) prayer, the worshipper in all cases, should not pronounce his/her Niyah (intention) openly, because neither the Prophet r nor his Companions used to utter the intention for Sal?h. Thus, pronouncing the intention for Salah in audible voice is a heresy and an illicit action, intention must be in the heart only. Whether the individual be an Im?m or performs his Sal?h individually, he should make a Sutra (i.e. a curtain for his Sal?h).
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Directing the face towards the Qiblah (the Ka?ba at Makkah) is an imperative condition for every Salah. However, there are few exceptions for this rule for instance if the Muslim can not face Qiblah due to sickness or does not know the direction of of Makkah .
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To pronounce Takbirat-al-Ihram that is to say Allahu Akbar (Allah is Great) proclaiming by that the Greatness of Allah and looking meanwhile, downwards to the place where he/she will prostrate.
To raise one?s hands up to the level of the shoulders or near to the lobes of the ears, while pronouncing Takbirat-al-Ihram. -
To put one?s right hand over his/her left hand and left wrist, and put them both over the chest, as the Prophet r used to do.
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It is advisable that the worshipper recites Du`aa al-Istiftah (opening supplication) saying
?Subhanaka Allahumma wa bihamdika wa tabaraka ismuka wata aa
la jadduka wala ilaha ghayruka.? (?Praise and glory is to Allah. Blessed is Your Name, Exalted is Your Majesty and Glory. There is no god but You.?) Or he may say any other of the supplications which the Prophet r used to say in his prayers. After reciting the opening supplication, the worshipper says ?A?dhu billahi min ashaytan arrajeem?
(?I seek protection of Allah against the accursed Satan?)
Then say
?Bismillahi Arrahmani Arraheem?
(?In the Name of Allah, the source of mercy and the Merciful.?)
and recites the F?tiha (the opening Surah of the Glorious Qur??n). Prophet Muhammad r said(?Sal?h without reciting the Fatiha is invalid?).
The worshipper should say Ameen after reciting the F?tiha loudly if the Sal?h is to be said loudly, and whisper it in inaudible prayers. the worshipper is advised to recite verses from medium size Surah of the Qur??n after recitation of the Fatiha.
Then, the worshipper bows in Ruk? raising hands up to the level of his/her shoulders or ears while saying Allahu Akbar (Allah is Great) then bends down, making his head and back on one level and putting his hands with the fingers spread on his knees. The worshipper should feel serenity and tranquility while bowing, he should say thrice
?Subhana Rabbi Al`Adhim?
(?Glory is to my Lord, the All-Mighty.?)
It is advisable to say while bowing in addition to that?Subhanaka Allahumma Rabbana wabi hamdika, Allahumma eghfir li? (?Glory is to You O Allah, Our Lord, I praise You, forgive me my sins.?)
- To raise one?s head up from bowing, raising one?s hands to the level of his shoulders or ears, saying, in case of being Im?m or praying alone
?Sami`a Allahu liman hamidah?.
?Allah listens to him who praises Him?.
While resuming the standing position, he/she may say
?Rabbana wa laka alhamd,
(?Our Lord, praise is for You?)
The worshipper is advised to put his hands on his chest, as he had done before he bowed, but if the worshipper did not put his hands on his chest, the prayer still valid.- To prostrate saying Allahu Akbar (Allah is Great). He should touch the ground with his knees before touching it with his hands, if that is possible to him. If not, he is permitted to touch the ground by his hands before his knees. His fingers and toes should be directed towards the Qiblah at Makkah, and his hands should be stretched, and the fingers close together and not separated. In Sajdah (prostration), the worshipper should use and keep on ground these seven organs
The forehead, the nose, both hands, both knees and the internal parts of the toes.
These seven organs should touch the ground. Then the worshipper should say thrice
?Subhana Rabbi Al Aa`la?
(?Glorified is my Lord, the Exalted.?)
It is advisable to say
?Subhanaka Allahumma Rabbana wa bi hamdika,Allahumaghfirli.?
(?Glory is to You O Allah, Our Lord, I praise You. Our Lord, forgive me my sins.?)
It is recommendable for the worshipper say more supplications while in sojood and ask for more from his Lord, because the Prophet r said
?As for Ruk?? (bowing), you should glorify your Lord during performing it; as for Sojood (prostration), you should do your best to supplicate and ask for more from Him, because your supplications during prostration are more worthy to be accepted.? The worshipper should ask his Lord for prosperity both in this worldly life and in the Hereafter. Whether it is an obligatory prayer or an optional prayer, the worshipper, while prostrating, should neither bring his hands close to his sides, nor stick his abdomen to his thighs, or his thighs to his legs. The worshipper?s arms should be raised up from the ground because the Prophet r prohibited putting the arms and stretching them on the ground, ordering that ?adjust your prostration, keep straight in it, and stretch not your hands on the ground as dogs do.?- He should raise his head from prostration saying Allahu Akbar and lay his left foot flat on the ground and sit upon it, keeping his right foot erected, his hands on his thighs and knees, and say
?O my Lord, forgive me, have mercy on me, guide me, provide me with Your sustenance, save me and console me.?
- To prostrate again saying Allahu Akbar and repeating during his prostration what he did and said in the first prostration.
10.Then the worshipper raises his head saying Allahu Akbar after taking a pause similar to the pause between the two prostrations; this is called Jalsat-al-Istir?hah (the pause for rest). It is recommended for the worshipper to do such a pause, but there is no sin if he desists from it. Then the worshipper rises up and stands supporting on his knees, or on the ground if he cannot support himself on the knees, reads the F?tiha (the opening Surah of the Glorious Qur??n) and some other verses of the Qur??n and do as just as he did in the first Rak
a (unit of prayer). Those who pray behind the Im?m should not compete with him in the prayer actions as the Prophet r said ?The Im?m is to be followed, if he says Allahu Akbar (Allah is Great), then say the same after him. If he bows in Ruk??, bow after him. If he says Samiallahu liman hamidah (Allah hears him who praises Him), then say Rabbana wa lakal-hamd (Our Lord! All praises are for You); and if he prostrates, then prostrate after him.?11.If the prayer consists of two Rak`a (two units of prayer) as the Fajr (morning) prayer, Eid (feast) prayer, or the Jumuah (Friday) prayer, the worshipper sits after the second prostration, with his right foot erect, sitting on his left foot laid down, putting his right hand on his right thigh, all his fingers close-fisted except the index finger which he uses to point out as a sign for his Monotheistic Belief, and his left hand is put on his left thigh. There is nothing in the way, if the worshipper keeps both the little and ring fingers closed, while rounding his thumb and middle finger in a ring-shape, and uses his index finger to point out as a sign for his Monotheistic Belief. It has been related that the Prophet r had practiced both of these ways, thus, it is advisable for the worshipper to perform the first way once and the other on the second time.
The worshipper reads the Tashahhud while sitting and says
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?Attahiyatu lillahi wassalawatu wattaiyibat assalamu alayka aiyuha annabiyu wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. Assalamu alaina wa ala ibadillahis- salihin. Ash-hadu an Ia ilaha illa Allah wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan abduhu wa ras?luh. Allahumma salli ala Muhammad wa ala aali Muhammad, kama sallayata ala Ibrahim wa aali Ibrahim. Innaka Hameedun Majeed. Wa barik ala Muhammad wa ala aali Muhammad kama barakta ala Ibrahim wa aali Ibrahim. Innaka Hameedun Majeed.?
(?Greetings, prayers and the good things of life belong to Allah. Peace, mercy and blessing of Allah be on you, O Prophet. May peace be upon us and on the devout slaves of Allah. I testify that there is no God but Allah and I testify that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. O Allah, bless Muhammad and his family as You blessed Abraham and his family. You are the Most Praised, The Most Glorious. O Allah, bestow Your grace on Muhammad and his family as You bestowed it on Abraham and his family. You are the Most Praised, The Most Glorious.?)
After reciting the Tashahhud, the worshipper asks Allah?s protection from four evils, he should say?My Lord, I ask your protection from torment of the Hell, torment of the grave, the trials in lifetime and after death, and from the impostor Al-Maseeh Addajjal (Antichrist).?
The worshipper may ask Allah for prosperity in this worldly life and in the Hereafter, supplicate Allah to bestow His favours on his parents and other Muslims. He could do this in both obligatory and optional prayers. It has been narrated by Ibn Mas?ud that the Prophet r taught him how to recite the Tashahhud and told him that the worshipper should invoke Allah and ask Him for the more beloved wishes which he likes, or, as it has been related in other wordings, the worshipper should ask Allah for whatever he wishes. In this manner, the slave can ask Allah for all the prosperities of this worldly life and the life to come. The worshipper terminates his Salah by turning his face first to the right and second to the left saying in both?As-salamu alaikum wa rahmatullah?
(?Peace and mercy of Allah be on you.?)12.In case of a three Rak
a prayer (prayer consisting of three units) as that of Maghrib (evening) prayer, or a four Raka prayer like that of Zuhr (noon) prayer, Asr (afternoon) prayer, andIsh? (night) prayer; the worshipper stands up after reciting the Tashahhud according to the manner stated before, and raises his hands upto the level of his shoulders saying Allahu Akbar . The worshipper puts his hands over his chest as it had been explained before and recites only the F?tiha. There is no objection if he adds to the F?tiha some other verses of the Qur??n while performing the third or fourth Raka of Zuhr (noon) prayer, because this was stated to be one of the manners adopted by the Prophet r according to the Hadeeth (tradition) narrated by Ab? Sa?ied.
After the third Raka of Maghrib (evening) prayer, and the fourth Raka of Zuhr (noon), Asr (afternoon) and `Ish? (night) prayers, the worshipper recites the Tashahhud and terminates his Sal?t by saying?Assalamu-alaikum wa rahmatullah?
While turning first to the right, and second to the left as it has been explained before, by doing the salaam, the salah is finished.Important notes
- During the prayer all recitation and reading must be in Arabic
- There is no difference between man and woman in all actions of the prayer.
- r ? ? P.B.U.H. (Peace Be Upon Him)
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About 40/70
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there's no word 'anything' there. It's literally they reject with the book and with what we sent with it our messengers.
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40/69 talks about people who reject the 'signs of Allah'. Therefore whatever is mentioned in 40/70 must be under the subset of 40/70.
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So if we talk 'the book' to be a scripture, then whatever else signs must be the signs in the horizon and in themselves (41/53). The messengers showed these signs to the people but we rejected.
The quran simply does not accept another source of authority besides itself.
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