Prophet Muhammad's prayer (how to make salaat)
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So why did Allah say the book is complete and fully detailed and leave so much detail out of it? ???
the ways of worship have been left to the prophet how to pray, how to make sawm (what nullifies it etc..), how to make tawaf, the amount of zakaat, etc + much more everyday life details + how to make duaa mustajab and when, how to immune yourself and children from eye and jinn, how to heal yourself with quran, how to treat your wife, chidren, parents in details, etc...
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the ways of worship have been left to the prophet how to pray, how to make sawm (what nullifies it etc..), how to make tawaf, the amount of zakaat, etc + much more everyday life details + how to make duaa mustajab and when, how to immune yourself and children from eye and jinn, how to heal yourself with quran, how to treat your wife, chidren, parents in details, etc...
So Allah made a mistake when He said Quran was complete and fully detailed for our salvation?
Did Allah leave it as an appendix to Quran or did He think the prophet would live forever to keep teaching us?
Given He has made SO much a big deal about how the previous messages were changed 'with their tongues' and that the Arabs are the worst in hypocrisy and that we need no other hadith after Quran, why would He then leave such important DETAIL out for people to AGAIN change 'with their tongues'?? ??? That is so not logical don't you think? -
the ways of worship have been left to the prophet how to pray, how to make sawm (what nullifies it etc..), how to make tawaf, the amount of zakaat, etc + much more everyday life details + how to make duaa mustajab and when, how to immune yourself and children from eye and jinn, how to heal yourself with quran, how to treat your wife, chidren, parents in details, etc...
and as for amount of zakat etc, in just about say 90+% of verses which mention salat, they also mention along with it zakat. So why only a certain amount at certain times and 5 prayers every day? Why not zakat ALL the year like salat and why not what you can afford of your salary a month or week or whatever? ???
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and as for amount of zakat etc, in just about say 90+% of verses which mention salat, they also mention along with it zakat. So why only a certain amount at certain times and 5 prayers every day? Why not zakat ALL the year like salat and why not what you can afford of your salary a month or week or whatever? ???
Because there's rules to follow and because zakaat is not sadaqa (wich you can give all year) and because theres a wisdom for giving zakaat at a certain period and to certain persons with an amount that couldnt harm the giver and help the one who recieve it. All this is set by the prophet and who's wiser tha nthe prophet ?
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Peace "Badr",
Because there's rules to follow and because zakaat is not sadaqa (wich you can give all year) and because theres a wisdom for giving zakaat at a certain period and to certain persons with an amount that couldnt harm the giver and help the one who recieve it. All this is set by the prophet and who's wiser tha nthe prophet ?
JK- Again "Badr" it would be more honest if you said that YOU think/believe that's what rthe Prophet said instead of stating it as a fact because there is simply NO EVIDENCE for it. Salat and Zakat have been mentioned in the Quran since Abraham. Nowehere does the Quran say "O Prophet, teach your people how to give Zakat" thus introducing a new and unique type of Zakat. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- Again "Badr" it would be more honest if you said that YOU think/believe that's what rthe Prophet said instead of stating it as a fact because there is simply NO EVIDENCE for it. Salat and Zakat have been mentioned in the Quran since Abraham. Nowehere does the Quran say "O Prophet, teach your people how to give Zakat" thus introducing a new and unique type of Zakat. GOD Bless!
I see that we have to settle this hadith thing before going further
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Peace "Badr",
I see that we have to settle this hadith thing before going further )
JK- Yes indeed we do. As I said there is no evidence that any hadith besides Quran actually came from Muhammad. On the other hand the entire Quran came literally via Muhammad to us. So by following the Quran we would be following the messenger and as per Quran whosoever follows the messenger follows GOD. Saying that following Quran=following GOD directly and not the messener does not make sense, since the Quran was not revealed to us directly by GOD. I never understood how hadith followers whilst they admit the latter can still make such a blatant logical error when they divide following GOD and messenger into the first following Quran and the 2nd following hadith. GOD Bless!
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Peace "Badr",
JK- Yes indeed we do. As I said there is no evidence that any hadith besides Quran actually came from Muhammad. On the other hand the entire Quran came literally via Muhammad to us. So by following the Quran we would be following the messenger and as per Quran whosoever follows the messenger follows GOD. Saying that following Quran=following GOD directly and not the messener does not make sense, since the Quran was not revealed to us directly by GOD. I never understood how hadith followers whilst they admit the latter can still make such a blatant logical error when they divide following GOD and messenger into the first following Quran and the 2nd following hadith. GOD Bless!
Have you ever looked into the science of collecting hadiths and verifying their authenticity by following those who transmitted them ? All the time spent, the way to follow the chain of narrators, their authenticity and their relations with the prophet and the resort and every thing ?
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Because there's rules to follow and because zakaat is not sadaqa (wich you can give all year) and because theres a wisdom for giving zakaat at a certain period and to certain persons with an amount that couldnt harm the giver and help the one who recieve it. All this is set by the prophet and who's wiser tha nthe prophet ?
Allah is wiser than the prophet.
check verses 98.5, 31.4, 24.56, 2.43, 24.37, 9.5, 21.73, 2.177, 5.55, 19.31, 19.55, 4.162, 2.85, 4.77. In those verse it says regular prayer and regular charity (Zakat). I know zakat is not sadaqa and that's why I was referring to these verses that have salat and zakat in them, together, as in a regular thing. The verses with sadaqa in are not coupled with regular salat in the same verse. Maybe your hadith got it the wrong way round to what Allah said?
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Allah is wiser than the prophet.
check verses 98.5, 31.4, 24.56, 2.43, 24.37, 9.5, 21.73, 2.177, 5.55, 19.31, 19.55, 4.162, 2.85, 4.77. In those verse it says regular prayer and regular charity (Zakat). I know zakat is not sadaqa and that's why I was referring to these verses that have salat and zakat in them, together, as in a regular thing. The verses with sadaqa in are not coupled with regular salat in the same verse. Maybe your hadith got it the wrong way round to what Allah said?
You're defending my cause right here, zakaat and salaat are coupled because they are 2 of the most important FIVE pillars of islam. Both are trying to achieve the growth and the elevation of the community while the Shahada is a personal and asine qua non condition, while Hajj is for those who can afford it, and Sawm has a personnal benefit and reward.
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Peace "Badr",
Have you ever looked into the science of collecting hadiths and verifying their authenticity by following those who transmitted them ? All the time spent, the way to follow the chain of narrators, their authenticity and their relations with the prophet and the resort and every thing ?
JK- Yes and calling it scientific is actually a mockery on real science. Science indludes the "scientfic method" which relies basically on INDEPENDENT and double blind testing. Sceintists don't sit together to reach conclusions but they get to the same conslusions INDEPENDENT of each other. That's how we can be sure it's true. The term here "Alum ul Hadith" should be translated as the "knowledge of hadith", Period. That'd be more accurate. Just because people have studied something doesn't mean they know it's actually true or even the most efficient way of how it works. Consider astrology for exmaple. People have studied it for years. They too could term it "the science of astrology" but it would be ridiculous. And real science has shown that it doesn't make sense nor does it work.
NOW in gaining "knwoeldge of hadith" there is absolutely no archaelogy backing any of it up either. The best tells we have is that the hadith were compiled more than 250 years after the Prophet Muhammad and even for that there is no archaeologial backing. Coudlve been made up 500 years ago for that matter. Next when it comes to the content of he hadith we've seen that it is full of inaccurcies just like the Bible and even the interpretations of most hadith rely heavily on sectraian biases people already have. There is no reserach there either where people INDEPENDETLY come to same conclusions on what the text means. GOD Bless! -
Have you ever looked into the science of collecting hadiths and verifying their authenticity by following those who transmitted them ? All the time spent, the way to follow the chain of narrators, their authenticity and their relations with the prophet and the resort and every thing ?
bukhari wasn't even born until 200 years after the death of the prophet so how could he follow those that transmitted them and verify them all? The people were dead.
There is another thread here somewhere which says Bukhari collected 600,000 hadith and took 16 years to sort them and verify them ending with less than 1% we have now as sahih. Do the math, 600,000 in 16 years, how long was spent verifying each hadith and how much sleep did the poor man get in 16 years? Any verifying these at later dates can ONLY verify them against other hadith. IF these are false you measure false against false to check it's right?? If you were told Quran is less that 1% truth from God would you even bother looking at it?
Abu Hurairah spent very little time with the prophet, Abu Bakr and Aesha spent much more, how many of each one's hadith do you have? MANY more by Abu Hurairah who was a known story teller and hadith fabricator and reprimanded for it BY Aesha IN some of those hadith. Abu Bakr BURNT any he had saved. The prophet said IN hadith do not write anything from me BUT Quran, he DID NOT SAY do not write anything from me but Quran until you have compiled Quran for fear you mix them up.
So we have a book that is 100% from God the Creator given to His messenger to give to mankind, and we have tons of fabricated tales with no authority from God OR His messenger and no way of verifying ANY of them, and you would rather follow the latter?
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You're defending my cause right here, zakaat and salaat are coupled because they are 2 of the most important FIVE pillars of islam. Both are trying to achieve the growth and the elevation of the community while the Shahada is a personal and asine qua non condition, while Hajj is for those who can afford it, and Sawm has a personnal benefit and reward.
That still doesn't explain why Allah says these 2 together and REGULAR and you say it's not regular and sadaqa is. Allah didn't give these '5 pillars' of Islam.
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Peace "Badr",
JK- Yes and calling it scientific is actually a mockery on real science. Science indludes the "scientfic method" which relies basically on INDEPENDENT and double blind testing. Sceintists don't sit together to reach conclusions but they get to the same conslusions INDEPENDENT of each other. That's how we can be sure it's true. The term here "Alum ul Hadith" should be translated as the "knowledge of hadith", Period. That'd be more accurate. Just because people have studied something doesn't mean they know it's actually true or even the most efficient way of how it works. Consider astrology for exmaple. People have studied it for years. They too could term it "the science of astrology" but it would be ridiculous. And real science has shown that it doesn't make sense nor does it work.
NOW in gaining "knwoeldge of hadith" there is absolutely no archaelogy backing any of it up either. The best tells we have is that the hadith were compiled more than 250 years after the Prophet Muhammad and even for that there is no archaeologial backing. Coudlve been made up 500 years ago for that matter. Next when it comes to the content of he hadith we've seen that it is full of inaccurcies just like the Bible and even the interpretations of most hadith rely heavily on sectraian biases people already have. There is no reserach there either where people INDEPENDETLY come to same conclusions on what the text means. GOD Bless!If you take it from that point of view Quran is also a mockery on real science (god forbid) as you can not prove jinn, you can not prove heaven and hell and you can not prove angels.
As for the inaccurancies, that's why theres the classification. You can't ignore it all just because theres doubt in some of it.
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I recommend http//www.astudyofquran.org/web/index.php?id=60,0,0,1,0,0
Parts 11.2i onwards.
Proving beyond doubt in order to get a coherent method of Traditional Muslim prayer, one must pick and choose. FACT.
Wakas
Who is the author? It is really good stuff. What is his biography?
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That still doesn't explain why Allah says these 2 together and REGULAR and you say it's not regular and sadaqa is. Allah didn't give these '5 pillars' of Islam.
When god says keep up zakaat, he did not said daily, monthly, yearly ? it is as important to make as salaat that's why it is mentionned so often. You can consclude that theres these 5 pillars by yourself as you consluded all the rest.
