[Salaat] Are you aware ?
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You have alot more questions than I do and you always be asking questions because from where you see the whole picture you can't have answers.
I know brother, you just don't answer any question except a few
But you just twist the words and ignore the questions asked.
Anyways, atleast it gives a clear picture of yourself.
Hey! Do you know why is ask
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16 Guide us to the straight path.Just think.... again.... again....
OK, lemme tell you. We ask for the straight PATH not a station where we can stop.
In other words, we have update and update and update and update ourselves till our end... that is the PATH. When you stand in a so called satisfied place, by FIXED rituals without any update, then you are standing in ONE PLACE and you are NOT on the path.
Got my point? I hope so, inshaAllah.
May Allah guide us all towards HIS PATH.
Mohammed M. Khan -
I know brother, you just don't answer any question except a few
But you just twist the words and ignore the questions asked.
Anyways, atleast it gives a clear picture of yourself.
Hey! Do you know why is ask
16
16 Guide us to the straight path.Just think.... again.... again....
OK, lemme tell you. We ask for the straight PATH not a station where we can stop.
In other words, we have update and update and update and update ourselves till our end... that is the PATH. When you stand in a so called satisfied place, by FIXED rituals without any update, then you are standing in ONE PLACE and you are NOT on the path.
Got my point? I hope so, inshaAllah.
May Allah guide us all towards HIS PATH.
Mohammed M. KhanThis have no sens ! none can say he's on the path nor on a fixed place, we all try to walk on the path but as we are human we derive from it sometimes but we must do our best to stay on it. It is a journey and we do all what we do to stay on that path and that is not guarantee.
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16 Guide us to the straight path.It shows as if one is journeying on some other path and desired to be taken to another path. What has been stated immediately before this does not permit such perception.
Our Sustainer Lord Ar'Reh'maan! You guide us upon the Path that keeps heading safely and straight to the destination of peace and tranquility; the Path journeyed by those upon whom You showered blessings, this Path/Course is other than of those who made themselves liable to criminal cognizance/arrest, and nor is of those who are the neglectful wanderers.
Having submitted, sincerely and exclusively in absolute allegiance and servitude, to the Sustainer Lord Ar'Reh'maan, we reflected that we have complete perception of time and space and our location on the Straight Path. The Path is for journeying in progressing and ever changing times towards the Destination-Place of Rest. We have requested for continued guidance in every moment and steps of our journey on the Path that keeps heading safely and straight to the destination of peace and tranquility.
And thereat we mention our perception and understanding about the Referred Path that it is the one which is journeyed by those those people who were the recipients of showers of mercy and reward; and conversely we define this Path as opposite of the one adopted by those people who have since been held guilty for criminal cognizance; and of those who are willfully and neglectfully wandering lost in directionless bewilderment, deliberately being irrational and forgetful that there is always, in time and space, the "Star"/The Book to indicate the True Direction.
Word by Word analysis of 106-07
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This have no sens ! none can say he's on the path nor on a fixed place, we all try to walk on the path but as we are human we derive from it sometimes but we must do our best to stay on it. It is a journey and we do all what we do to stay on that path and that is not guarantee.
My dear friend, there is a difference in 'Walking on the path' and 'playing the same track' . When you walk on the path, you will encounter new things as you proceed. And we have to go ahead facing everything comes in our way towards Allah.
But you seems to be repeating on the same track, again and again and assume that you are ON PATH. I am sure, on your path , you can walk even by closing your eyes, as your tracks are already printed on ground. And we have to keep our eyes, ears and hearts open to see and face what comes in the way.
Got the difference? Does it make sense now to you?
May Allah guide us all towards the correct PATH.
Mohammed M. Khan -
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http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15437.msg148350#msg148350Salaaman Wakas,
I was saying something else to Badr.. as
Path = walking, non-stop
It means we cannot stand in a place circling and saying that we are on path, that means tawaaf.
Anyway, thanks for the link, it is helpful indeed.
May Allah guide us all towards the truth.
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaaman Wakas,
peace mmkhan,
My post was just additional information, to Mazhar's post.
Speaking of tawaf, you may already know that it is disproven by The Quran itself. The only way it can fit is by changing the meaning to suit, e.g. 2158.
Oh, its ok...
Hmmm... As per my understanding, tawaaf means, going from a point and coming back to it, like going to job every day, etc. What do you say?
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan -
That's possible. I just take it as "go about/among".
Salaaman Wakas,
OK, that means 'To move' or 'Proceed'? I think there is a separate word for thisAnyways, thanks for your reply.
Salaaman Wakas,
Oh, its ok...Hmmm... As per my understanding, tawaaf means, going from a point and coming back to it, like going to job every day, etc. What do you say?
Very very relevant.
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See any Classical Arabic Dictionary
= Tay-Waw-Fa = act of going/walking, going/walking around or otherwise, to go or wander about, circuited/compassed, journeyed, came to him, come upon, visitation, visit, approach, drew near, to go round or round about often, encompass,
"the men/people/locusts filled the land like the TWF/flood/deluge", overpowering/overwhelming rain/water that covers,
a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness,
a detached/distinct part/portion, a piece or bit, a party/division/sect,
a sort of raisins of which the bunches are composed of closely-compacted berries, a garment in which one goes round or circuits, a place of going round or round about.From http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
Very very relevant.
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See any Classical Arabic Dictionary
= Tay-Waw-Fa = act of going/walking, going/walking around or otherwise, to go or wander about, circuited/compassed, journeyed, came to him, come upon, visitation, visit, approach, drew near, to go round or round about often, encompass,
"the men/people/locusts filled the land like the TWF/flood/deluge", overpowering/overwhelming rain/water that covers,
a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness,
a detached/distinct part/portion, a piece or bit, a party/division/sect,
a sort of raisins of which the bunches are composed of closely-compacted berries, a garment in which one goes round or circuits, a place of going round or round about.From http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
Very very relevant.
1-You take all your arguments from Study Quran and corpus quran wich are two biased sites because made by people like you who wants to prove the same points as you. Look outside them and you'll be surprised.
I can clearly see dishonesty when they state tawaf has to deal with "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," it is there just to close the mouth of those who argument about the servants in Janna who yatufun/circle around the people to serve them. It clearly has nothing to do with tawaf let alone the origin ta-wa-fa.
2-the source of the word can lead to two words totally differents. And it never can be a valuable method to explain arabic words, you/it wont make the weight against any arabic scholar (whether muslim or not).
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Very very relevant.
Good and thanks.
As usual you never answer any questions asked. But you are now try to find err in the posts. What about the questions I asked you? From page two of this thread? You never answer and now trying hide under other's mistakes.
And no wonder if we make mistakes
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482 Do they not reflect on the Quraan? If it was from any other than Allah they would have found in it many a discrepancy.Hey, bring your ear near to me, I wanna whisper something... "I am still under research of the word TAWAAF". That is the reason I used "I think" and "As per my understanding"
Got it? Happy now? Good.
May Allah help us accepting the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan -
Good and thanks.
As usual you never answer any questions asked. But you are now try to find err in the posts. What about the questions I asked you? From page two of this thread? You never answer and now trying hide under other's mistakes.
And no wonder if we make mistakes
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482 Do they not reflect on the Quraan? If it was from any other than Allah they would have found in it many a discrepancy.Hey, bring your ear near to me, I wanna whisper something... "I am still under research of the word TAWAAF". That is the reason I used "I think" and "As per my understanding"
Got it? Happy now? Good.
May Allah help us accepting the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan2229
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Badr, are you familiar with "logical fallacies"?
Your post demonstrates not only the bias in your reasoning, but also you have no idea what PRL or Corpus is or how to use them.
Example
I can clearly see dishonesty when they state tawaf has to deal with "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness,"
The PRL entry does not even say that about "tawaf", it says that about the root.
You then say "It clearly has nothing to do with tawaf"
It never said it did.
In other words, you make a non-point and think you have made a point.
Thus, I recommend reading up on "logical fallacies", and also "critical thinking".
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Badr, are you familiar with "logical fallacies"?
Your post demonstrates not only the bias in your reasoning, but also you have no idea what PRL or Corpus is or how to use them.
Example
The PRL entry does not even say that about "tawaf", it says that about the root.You then say "It clearly has nothing to do with tawaf"
It never said it did.
In other words, you make a non-point and think you have made a point.
Thus, I recommend reading up on "logical fallacies", and also "critical thinking".
I'll break it to you so maybe you understand better neither ta-wa-fa (the root) nor tawaf has to do with ; I quote "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," of the PRL entry and the fact that "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," is there amongst the entries is already dishonesty. Now try to prove your point outside the PRL site.
Got it ?
EDIT It is there only to help you proving that the the word yatuf from ta-wa-fa also (5224 and 7619) is more about the act of serving that of circling
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I'll break it to you so maybe you understand better neither ta-wa-fa (the root) nor tawaf has to do with ; I quote "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," of the PRL entry and the fact that "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," is there amongst the entries is already dishonesty. Now try to prove your point outside the PRL site.
Got it ?
EDIT It is there only to help you proving that the the word yatuf from ta-wa-fa also (5224 and 7619) is more about the act of serving that of circling
so it is to do with the act of circling, ok I get that. What about 7.201 and 68.19, can you explain those please and the relevance to circling.
